The Fugitive (1993)

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We are missing Rory James O'Toole a little bit of a peek

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It is the 2nd of March 2026 and Rory just hasn't turned up and

we don't know where he is. So hopefully best kiss scenario,

he pops in during the during the recording and we just crack on

like it's all fun. Worst case scenario, anything

has happened to him but he's not not returning your texts.

So I guess we're going to crack on and just see what happens,

eh? I came home.

There was a man in my house. He had an artificial arm.

Are you saying that I killed my wife?

Are you? Saying that I.

Crushed. Her skull.

And that I shot her. All right, ladies and gentlemen,

listen up. We have a fugitive that's been

on the run for 90 minutes. What I want out of each and

everyone of you is a hard target.

Search of every gas station, residence, warehouse, farmhouse,

hen house outhouse and dog house in this area.

Checkpoints will go up at 15 miles.

Your fugitive's name is Doctor Richard Kimble.

Go get him. Great news everyone.

Rory James O'sulle joined us 90 minutes into our recording.

We'll be starting again because God damn it, no man left behind.

Apart from that time we left signed behind twice.

Thanks guys. Thanks.

Thanks for circling back and picking me up.

Wonderful, right? You gotta do this thing.

We're worn out. Sorry.

We gotta gotta do these things. Since we're apparently keeping

count here, you still have one. Good for me.

You're 1 back Sonia. You're you're off my shit list.

Dead heat. Right the fugitive is a 1993

action film directed by Andrew Davis with a script Co written

by Jeff Stewart and David torhey from the previous story draft

which torhey had written. Based on the 1960s TV series,

itself loosely inspired by the trial of Sam Shepard.

Not the actor from the right stuff, but different Sam

Shepard. The film stars Harrison Ford,

Tommy Lee Jones, SEAL award, Joe Pantiliano, otherwise known as

Joey Pants, Andreas Capsulus and Drouin Krabbe.

After being framed for the murder of his wife and sentenced

to death, vascular surgeon doctor Richard Kimball Ford

escapes from custody following a bus crash.

Kimball sets out to find the real killer and declare his name

while being hunted by the police and a team of US Marshals led by

Deputy US Marshals Samuel Gerard Tommy Lee Jones.

This film was extremely successful critically and

commercially, spending six weeks as the number one film in the

United States, grossing nearly 317 million dollars worldwide

against a $44 million budget, and is the third highest

grossing film of 1993 worldwide, with an estimated 44 million

tickets sold in the United States.

It's had a chokehold on the box office when it came out, but

also critically nominated for seven Academy Awards, including

the Best Picture for a Thriller Movie, Incredible.

Tommy Jones won for Best Supporting Actor for a Thriller

Movie Incredible, and it was followed by the 1998 film US

Marshals, in which Jones reprised his role as Deputy

Marty Marshall Samuel Gerard. That film is not as good as this

film, but one day we will talk about it.

One of the one of one of the few films in the 90s that features

the phrase shag adelic baby. Rory, so glad you're here.

Thank you. Guys, what did you?

What do you think? Is he's no longer alone with the

awkward German. You are sensing you are

sentenced to isolation with the awkward German.

So, off offline behind the scenes, Rory, Sonia and I talked

about how Sonia had only discovered this film this week,

which blew my mind. Yeah.

Because this is one of those films that I've seen about 1000

times growing up and I think I rediscovered in my like late

20s. What's your experience with the

future? Very much a dad quoted film,

very much a watch with rule man kind of film to people of my

generation and yours make not so much these zoomers like Sonia.

Yeah. He's Bus and Janzads.

Yeah. Excuse.

You. What year were you born in

Sanya? I like to count myself as a late

millennial. Thank you very much.

What? The hell is a late millennial?

I'm not. I don't believe in this

gatekeeping by generation. Unless, hang on, what?

When were you born? 7, 97. 97 Janzad.

You were -4 when this film came out.

You're a fucking zoomer. Don't throw me in with these 6-7

weirdos. That's OK, man.

That's that's all right. We're going to we're.

All right, I'm going to offer myself now.

Bye. We're going to we're going to

call you a late millennial in a whole through deck cruise, that

kind of thing, right, You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's how we justify getting you through Parliament's on.

You This is how we justify the whole thing.

I saw a sort of angry take online only yesterday because it

then Exa wanted to claim scrubs as their own.

Fuck. Off.

Fuck off, that's. Ours.

That is ours. That show is fucking ours and as

someone who worked in a hospital, it's kind of true for

life. We've been re watching it from

the beginning. Actually, there's a couple of

years we watched the two new episodes that came on and yeah,

it's really good. I don't know that's the the

millennial in me, but they're really good.

Really sticks to landing. It's never one of those shows by

this. Actually, you missed it when we

were talking about the intro, but I was talking about

shrinking and it's another Bill Lawrence show like shrinking is.

I was just, I was talking about Harrison Ford, mate, because he

did an incredible speech at the Actors Awards last night.

But yeah, anyway, cool. In Chicago, vascular surgeon

doctor Richard Kimball is arrested for the murder of his

wife, Helen. Despite his claims that he

caught a man with a prosthetic arm in the act, Helen's

misinterpreted 911 call and substantial life insurance

policy. So there's evidence against

Kimball and he is convicted of her murder and sentenced to

death. This all happens in 15 minutes

in the film. Incredible.

It's really impressive, fits so much storytelling.

It's such a really tight, compact space and time.

It doesn't need to show you the insurance and outs of a dramatic

long court case because it would be a long court case.

It would be like a long capital trailer.

It would be fucking year or so or or more, you know, because

all it needs is the final thing that they believe is damning

evidence. When to play the 911 call and

it's this reasonable fucking doubt right that she's she's

she's just saying his name, but it's.

Interesting is that. Yeah, So audiences would have

not long having their memories. Harrison Ford's in the dock

again, 1991's presumed innocent. Yes, as hot hotshot lawyer Rusty

Savage, who's accused of murdering his mistress.

So it's not the first time they've seen Harrison Ford in

the dock, I guess. I guess maybe they were thinking

right and again, a lot of changes occurred when Harrison

came on the project as well. So maybe he was thinking like we

don't need to drug out this court case.

It's not about that. So we'll show the opening

argument from the prosecutor and the verdict.

We skip everything else. We don't go, we don't even see

like a montage of the evidence being shown.

Obviously get the 911 call as well.

Sorry. So you got the opening remarks,

as you say, the 911 call, which is horrible because it cuts back

to Sealer Ward like in a flashback doing it.

Horrible. It is legitimately some hard

fucking scenes for a nice film. I mean literally sounds actually

is dying at one point. It's some it's, it's some good

like bashed in the head kind of acting from our guests and it is

horrible to hear. Yeah, big time.

I like the economy of how they show the state of their marriage

as well. It's maybe it's a little

heavy-handed. So they get back from from the

function that they're at some gala, some fundraising thing,

all to do with probasic probably.

And to demonstrate that they are in a healthy relationship.

He obviously gives him call does does the surgery for his oppo.

Meanwhile, she's like dousing the house in rose petals.

Yeah, yeah, like, and he's on a promise.

And then she's kind of like breadcrumbing them up the stairs

with a bitsig discarded lingerie and stuff and.

Yeah, It's like, yeah, OK. A good, good visual shorthand

for things are OK at home, don't worry.

Even though he has like the worst beard, it just looks

really like like for for Harrison Ford to have a beard

like that. He's absolutely nerfed himself.

It's like Neil. It's like Neil Brain status.

Yeah, yeah. What happened?

I never had a beard. I never had a beard.

Fucking shave. Love God, I never had a beard.

Yeah, it is. It is.

That bad? I.

Cannot believe I look worse with a beard.

I can't get you out of this one. Like that?

Can't get you out of this one, Richard.

Opening credits, by the way. We get like that weird kind of

inverses, colour palette shots of the murder taking place.

So we see that pretty, pretty, pretty.

That's pretty shocking, pretty effective.

And it puts us into the state like the murders in the past,

it's already happened, even though we kind of the times of

it would be wobbly here to make it all work.

But it sticks the landing because before we know it, we're

in the back of the bus on the way to prison.

And I think the film does a really good job of giving us

like, the defining character beats for Kimball in this state

the world is in now. So we don't have to learn who he

is before the murders happened because we're learning about a

different guy, because the guy who's been sentenced to death is

fundamentally a different guy from the guy who was at the

very, very beginning of the film, right?

So we see who he is now. And I think that's important

because it shows us that he's still a good person, right?

The humanity has not gone from him.

So we're in the bus, One of the other inmates his fashion to

shave and has hit it in the sock.

Yeah, and he does incredible job of faking some kind of a

seizure, doesn't he? And like, frothing in the mouth,

that's like, fucking really impressive.

Yeah, yeah. If anyone deserves the Best

Supporting Actor nom, it's him. It's Prisoner.

Prisoner who frothed at mouth. Yeah.

And he, because the bus is like 40 minutes out from the prison

and these fucking all security guards or state troopers or

whatever they are, are like fucking talking about like what?

I'm really hungry. I can't, Oh, we'll get some, get

some chow And what? They go to the prison and

whatever fucking hell, Copeland to the back of the bus.

He's just fucking horses. I'm sorry, they're just a horse.

I can't wait to have a fifth meal of the day.

Have a fat lazy corrections guy who God damn.

But you know, yeah, because. It's Richard Real, right?

Who is otherwise known as Not Wolf Wolford Brimley.

Yeah. But he picks up all the rules

that Wolford Brimley doesn't want.

Like he would have been here waiting in the wings to get an

op centre. He's he's off brand.

He's off brand Pound world version.

Yeah, big type so and I'm sure he's a very good performer,

obviously very good character actor, etcetera, etcetera,

etcetera, but very funny in this and he's got a really good long

career behind him as well. Yeah, so Copeland, the the

African American guy at the back of the bus yells and yells and

yells. Yeah, Kimball's just a bit like

what is going on? Oh my God.

Yeah. They open up the the doorway to

go to the back of the bus and the guy shranks the guard and he

falls on the deck. Richard Reel dramatically

overreacts by by blasting the guy in the chest with a shotgun

and then that that kind of Spooks the bus driver, who kind

of swerves a little bit of the road.

And then Richard Reel shoots in the general direction of the bus

driver. Oh my God.

That's just like. Understandable reaction.

Do you know what it is? I'm going to keep fucking

drawing reference to this guy. It's like a fucking irritating

Charlie with a spoon guy from Butcher Course.

I'm just that stupid fucking frog guy, that amorphic fucking

tree frog with his sticky hands and says the word.

Oh, it's stuck to my hand. I don't know.

It gets hand stuck in the window and shit, it's like that.

It's like giving him a job as a fucking prison guard.

It's terrible. That's my first day.

Jesus, I'm so sorry. So obviously the bus crashes.

It's it's piling through these rural roads in the middle of the

night and yeah, swings off, goes down a long ditch, rules down

there. Really well done crash, by the

way. It looks fantastic.

Still was the all practically done.

Very nice stuff. That was something that we

grabbed me how good the practical effects were.

I mean, also like recent car crash experience here and

probably probably being in more car crashes than than than you

guys as well. I think I've gotten the most out

of this team. The surprising Top Gear coded

sentence. Yeah.

Out of this team, I have the most OK Hammond.

It's true, but I'm just saying, do you know what it is?

But one day someone's going to sit and do the stats for their

show. So yeah, one of the things I'm

taught by as I've got the most fucking car crashes, survived

all of them. The bus crash scenes.

Amazements. Really, really just legit to me,

at at at just really good filmmaking.

Nothing looks fake about it. Like you said, it's all

practical effects. That's just a great time in

filmmaking for this kind of thing.

They obviously had like a, I don't know if it was a one to

one size rig for it, but they must have had a decent sized rig

for the actual rolling down the hill piece because I was looking

at the foliage and going. A good way to see if it's model

work is to look at the trees and stuff.

Yeah, no, but they looked, they looked legit.

They were real trees, so they obviously did some.

Things. On location.

Nothing's banging against trees. It was amazing.

And of course then then we got the scene done where when, when

he's trying to get the guard to unshackle him.

So. He yeah, yeah.

So this is like one of the character beats.

So so the the bus comes to a good to rest.

We see a brilliant shot through the window of like the train

track that has landed on and the oncoming lights of a train.

It's like oh work like as flying pan meet fire.

And, and I love, I love I was just shot over the dead guy's

feet as well. Like it's like APOV from the Ted

guy. It's like, I don't know why.

It's great. I just love it.

It's really good and I tell you one thing as well, and this is

one of the few things I will say in favour of the sequel, US

Marshals, and that's obviously starts with a plane crash.

Yeah. That's done broadly, really,

really well. There's a lot of nature work in

it. So some of it doesn't look as

good, but the pieces inside the plane look really, really good.

And the same with this as well. I got a lot of proud stuff.

Really, really good. Anyway, as you say, your boy,

your boy Richard Kimball is asking for to get his handcuffs

off so he can help the guard on the ground.

Basically like pressures Richard reel and to give them to him by

being intimidating and loud and gives them to him.

He'll die otherwise. He does that.

He haplessly like drops the keys on the deck.

Copeland picks them up and like surreptitiously and obviously

like let's him himself free and stuff, you think, and then that

guy bugs out and you think, oh, that guy's just fucked off

Brilliant. Great.

What a terrible swine he is. Kimball's I think stabilises the

guy on the deck. And then because the trans

company's like, I need you to help me get him off the bus.

I can't do it on my own. I need you to help me get him

off the bus. And then the old guard is what

he's accredited as, which is real.

It's just like, no, just can't do it and just fucks off and

just leaves. Piece of shit.

But against the odds, Kimball gets him out and in the final

like second, I think is it like is he?

I don't know if the fans like in this, but Copeland is there and

could pull them out at the last second to help them out.

So that's how they get out the crash and then the train smashes

into it. It's.

Just that incredible stunt when when Richard Kimble jumps off

the train, just jumps out, was just before us hit that second,

the timing, you've got a you've got a display as a stuntman in

that. Yeah, right.

That's that's insane. And again, we'll have this like

slower than you'd expect kind of a derailment scene when the

train just ploughs along through the earth and it's like

incredible stuff. Really good.

Yeah, there's a lot of really good physicality to the stunts

in this section. And it really does like open the

film with The Big Bang. It kind of sets its stall out.

It's like this is this is going to be a good movie, guys.

I like how I think. So again, this is all 1st 20

minutes like this isn't we're not not far into it at all.

And we've had like so much plot get delivered like in an

efficient way, like that's complimentary, that's good.

And then and then this massive action sequence to get us to the

point where like Kim was on the run, he and Copeland kind of

split this separate ways. He says to Copeland like be

good, very funny. Copeland's like, I don't care

which where you go, just don't follow me.

Cool, happy days. And then Kim was on the run and

and as I always say, like we're off to the races.

The next thing we get is like the assembled local Sheriff's

Department news media and that piece of shit old guard holding

court in the middle of it all talking about his experiences

surviving this. This bus crash paid for himself.

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely yeah, that's yeah,

disgusting. Used the word glazing, but

absolutely, absolutely accurate. He is glazing himself like a

like a like a prized doughnut about how about how how he saved

that guy's life. Isn't he doesn't even remember

how he did. He glosses over it.

It's just like, oh, I don't know how I did it, but I must have

got about it there. It's like, fuck you and then and

then assumes dead for Kimball and Copeland and stuff.

But that shit won't and and hey, we've got away with it too.

They hadn't been for those pesky US Marshals.

Yeah. So.

Turning up and logging everyone. Exactly.

Yeah, they bug everyone. Cortisol spikes all over wall

Wall cortisol spikes 1. So I love, yeah, I absolutely

love, Clearly. Mentally you are the zoomer

generation mugged. Right.

That's just good for these guys. So we have our four deputy US

Marshals who are making up our kind of quote, unquote,

antagonist. We have Deputy Samuel Gerard,

played by Somebody Jones, as the leader of that merry band.

We have Julie Pantiliano as Cosmo Renfro, brilliant

jewellery pants. Excellent.

By the way, maybe we'll talk about in casting, but I've

watched him in one demand in the last week and he's fantastic in

it. Hilarious.

Great show, heavily recommended. I don't see that for Marvel

lightly. Yeah, Daniel Reubuck plays Biggs

and L Scott Caldway. Well, Scott Caldwell plays pool

and that is our gang. My only criticism of this movie.

My only criticism, right. And this is like a mileage may

very and this is just a pure taste thing, but I think they

ham the bounce up for these guys like up to 11.

And I think it would have been fine like a nine and a half like

not a big change required. Just like a little, you know,

like this is like proper like Ross Geller, but just a little,

just a tiny little bit less, just a tiny little squish the

hands just a little bit less. Yeah, not in this scene, though.

This is this is flawless. This is like a perfect

introduction to these guys. It.

Really is. It really is.

Yeah, really good. You have like the little bit of

answer in the car because, you know, I don't know, I can't

remember what they're talking about.

But Joey Pats is complaining about something because he

complaints about stuff in the whole movie.

And then Tommy Jones gets there. He's like flashing his badge to

get past people. He breaks into this, this group

of people who all mug initially, they mug him off like the local

sheriff. This is like a classic trope,

the old local law enforcement falling out with the the federal

law enforcement. Yeah.

Played straight but then he just mugs him straight away.

Yeah, he just walks into this big circle jerk and he's like,

hey guys, you know, we're in charge and like the local sharks

like, well, OK, guess we're all gonna go home.

It's fine. And and then he's like, well,

no, listen here, you little shit kind.

Of yeah, listen, like it's like, Oh well, what?

By what authority? And it's like he has like,

literally the judge, the District Court, like judge,

whatever it is, and it's listed out in like extreme detail.

As well, like I love that gives him essentially the fucking

bullet pointed list of the reasons why yeah yes, yeah he is

going to go. And then as that's happening,

just a really poor salt on the wound, one of the local cops

happens to find the leg irons and just presents them into if

everybody like a dead cat like on the table.

It's so good. It's like leg ions with no legs

in them or whatever, he says. And it's like.

That's what he says. Yeah.

Like, oh, what's interesting, can we find leg?

I answer no legs on him. Love that.

So then and then he's like, then, you know, knowing luck at

Richard Reels, old guard. Do you want to revise your

statements, Sir? He's like, oh, well, well,

maybe. Maybe they are alive actually.

What fucking maybe? Jesus.

Fucking maybe. Yeah.

So, so we got that and we got the whole like then he does like

the ticks charging, everybody got around.

Me. You know I want an all points

search out, you know. Yeah.

Every dog house. Hen House.

House. I want three OPS rooms and I

want them now. Pretty much, you know, the

average speed of advance for a, a, a person on the ground is 4

miles an hour and he's been gone for 90 minutes.

Therefore he's still there's a Six Mile radius and all that

kind of stuff. Yeah, and track.

Of that 15, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

So all that so, and this is really cool.

So I like this a lot because straight away, like I like

Harrison Ford 'cause he's the, he's the, he's the protagonist

and he's innocent and he's been a nice guy so far.

I really like Tommy Lee Jones 'cause he's a professional and

he's fun and he's obviously not a good, he's not a mean spirited

evil guy. So now we have a movie with like

essentially 2 protagonists but they're at loggerheads.

But we like them both, and I think that's great.

What was that I wrote down about actually as pursuer but not as

nemesis? And I think that kind of kind of

nails that He's his pursuer, but he's not as Nemesis.

He's. Meanwhile, so he flees the

scene. He he sleeps rough overnight

under a pile of leaves and doesn't look comfortable at all

by the way. And the next morning?

Yeah, I get itchy just looking at it.

Yeah, horrible. And it's wet as well.

I don't know. Surprised he didn't get like, a

hypothermia. Kimball sneaks into a hospital,

the first of several hospital infiltrations he will conduct in

the course of this film. Just just.

An epic fucking tradecraft. Yeah.

For for a guy with no training and it's brilliant how instantly

good he is at it. To be honest, I love it.

It really is. It really is good just blending

into the background, sticks into a guy's room, gives himself a

tetanus shot, dresses and stitches his own wound on his

side, goes into the guy's room just This is his new special

move that he does several times in the film, which you really

like, which is him hiding behind a doorway and hoping not to get

noticed. Yeah, that was really smart.

How he holds it open and hides behind it was like fucking

smooth man. Yeah, it's Wiles.

Because he's not technically, like, not visible.

There's a mirror right in front of him.

Like he's in the mirror reflection.

So, like, she could have seen him and it would have been like

some terrifying like Twin Peaks, like Bob souping over the bed,

kind of kind of. Moment.

Really terrified, but yeah, awful.

That nurse leaves. He, he shaves his beard off.

He's an absolute mess all over the sink.

But you know, he's, he's, he's in a rush, steals that guy's

lunch and then steals a like a like a lab coat and escapes out

of the hospital. Has an encounter with a state

trooper along the way and there's a brilliant exchange

which is like a say a trooper has got it's got like the facts

of The Wanted a poster with his picture on it and description

and he just goes, hey doc, you haven't haven't seen like a a

guy who's about 6 foot brown hair, blue eyes, a beard.

He's just like, only every time I look in the mirror, pal.

Except for. The beard he's just shaved off,

it's like. It's just smooth with it.

It's, it's just incredibly smooth.

And this is a guy who's literally fighting for his life

and trying to escape the death sentence, and he's got time for

just his amazing bit of social combat there, you know?

He's incredible, isn't he? Fantastic.

What and? That's like that's just Harrison

Ford's voice as well. Just carries that like what what

what I wouldn't give to be called kids or.

How? By by Harrison Ford in a

conversation. If Harrison Ford continues,

like, OK kid, like, oh man. Say it again.

Say it again. Record it.

Just call me kids. Oh my.

God, oh. My God, pal.

Yeah, short surprise. Oh.

My God, call me short round fucking girl.

As he's stepping outside of the car park, just what happens, an

ambulance arrives carrying the guard that was injured, that

they found I guess amongst all the wreckage.

I guess the only way they can explain this is that they didn't

find them for ages and that's why we just get into the

hospital now. Yeah, so you do get one of the

search as they are. We've we've we've got a live 1.

Then they find the guard which kind of doesn't fully drive

because the guard who is glazing himself all over us talking

about getting someone out of the train, right.

So the only way it makes sense that bit is if he's bragging

that he got that other guard out, but they're just assuming

he's dead anyway because his body wasn't found in the

wreckage I guess. Yeah, so why is he?

Yeah. So why is he even bringing it

up? Because if he then also because

he then also knows that guard's alive, which he doesn't in the

film because he bugged out and run away.

Fuck, we found a real plot hole in the future there.

An actual plot hole and not just something that we didn't

understand or like, wow, fucking hell, man.

Rarity. I was saying to Sonia before you

arrived, I was rude what we were going to bring to this because

like, this film has been covered so much and it's like such a

critically claimed movie. Would we have anything relevant

to say? Well, we found something cool.

It's still a great movie though. In the words of Track Ryan, son

of a bitch. Son of a bitch.

It's his wife's birthday. Son of a bitch, right?

Crazy Ivan. He always creates plot holes on

the bottom half of the hour. Anyway, the EMTs will bring that

guy in. He kind of doctors his way into

the conversation, puts. The face mask on his face to

shut him up because he's identified.

He was like, it's anyway, yeah. And then he steals the

ambulance. Which is.

Cool not like a not the first choice for vehicle.

You would steal an ambulance that people are definitely going

to miss, like immediately. It's overt.

It's COVID. Yeah.

Hiding in plain sight isn't. It yeah, I mean, I guess like I,

I guess it's a vehicle that he can flip the flip the lights and

horns on and just like smash on through traffic, which he does

because he's blown through Reds. He's he's.

He's. Yeah, like he's doing the high

country driving, throwing that thing round.

It's like he really can do anything.

Candy. Like I'd say you, you, you just

don't suspend your disbelief that this vascular surgeon can

do this absolute super spy shit and then steal this ambulance

because he's just so fucking cool.

Because he's. Yeah.

By Harrison Ford, who's now shaved his little beard off as

well. His old man Bob Ross Beard has

been removed, so now he's like, oh, it's cool, Harrison Ford

again. Yeah, it's got rid of his

ridiculous Neil Green beard that looked like more of a disguise

than his actual disguise of feeling himself.

What what's he wearing at like Gar at the start again?

He's got like a, he's got like a Ivor.

He's got like a really colourful bow tie on or he's got some like

waistcoat on. But he looks like a fucking

professional snooker player. He's got a very silly waistcoat

on and he looks like John Virgo. God rest his soul, he only died

the. Soul, rest in peace, John Virgo.

He looks like him. That's that's.

What it was, I was trying to place it, I was like, yeah,

there's a transviable. It's available now.

If, oh, they had a ponytail folk musician.

Yeah, right. OK.

I'm glad we got to the bottom of that.

Yeah. So.

So the call comes in, They've located the ambulance.

Someone's seen the ambulance. So everyone hops in the choppers

to to start the hot pursuit. It ends pretty abruptly.

So we have a really cool scene though, and obviously I got

myself a little bit bummed out when I was watching the film

because there's a really cool scene where they're in the

helicopter and Samuel Gerard is like directing people talking

down various comms or whatever. And then in the background of

the shot, we have the ambulance driving along like a Cliff side

Rd. Yeah, it was in the same shot.

Really, really good shot. Love it.

But during that shot, I was thinking to myself, oh, man,

when I watched this as a kid, I bet I would have thought

Harrison Ford was really driving that ambulance right now.

But obviously right now it's just somebody else driving an

ambulance because like, why would they pay Harrison Ford

driving an ambulance? And as I was having that

thought, I got sad at myself going.

Oh, I just ruined the magic the. Movie for a minute.

Devastating. Yeah, it really was.

I really enjoyed about the scene and the vibes it brings and

stuff. The way it's put together is I

really like how Sam Grodd's dialogue is kind of the audio is

like through through what's meant to be the planes, sorry,

the helicopter that kind of like comes and you only hear on one

side of it. You only hear on his like

instructions. There's nothing back and forth

with someone else. I think that's brilliant.

It puts you into the. IT puts into the location.

Yeah, this film shreds a fine line between like going too

hardcore with authentic stuff and then still having fun for

like, you know, big and these movie action thrills and spills.

And it treads that line really, really well, I think because it

does this stuff like you just described.

And then the next thing we get is the whole bit with the

helicopter, like touches down at the end of the tunnel as he's

driving through the tunnel. And like the police cars, like

jump up the back of the tunnel and he's like, like, caught in a

rat and a trap. And you got all the police, like

running through the tunnel. You've got a one idiot who gets

up his car. He's like, what's going on?

And he's like Dick, stupid Dick, like Jesus Christ, What do you

think's happening? Yeah fucking fucking nothing

good for you to be involved in mate.

There are people with red jackets and guns and the

helicopter just landed. Maybe just get really low inside

your car and just wait until a large man with a rifle tells you

it's OK to leave. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, yeah. Wait for the police to come and,

like, knock on your window. Like, yeah.

Kimball escapes down a storm drain and when he realises the

only way he can go is down. Yeah.

It looks improbable because it looks like a really narrow drain

he got in, but he does it and you see him do it.

It's pretty, pretty impressive. It's not like Jackie Chan going

for that little thing in rush hour, but it's like it's

similar. Very cool.

The team will see it. Tommy Jones Summer Gerard says

we got a Gopher. Got to go.

I like. That they say shit like that,

but I also want to they're like, how often does that happen that

you need to cope with a negative for it?

He doesn't say it like I've I've thought of a fun thing.

I'm going to call this a Gopher. He says it like if said it like

10,000 times. He says it like he gets a Gopher

every 3rd day of the week. And and and it's funny to say he

pulls somebody else on. We are jogging lately when it

gives a guy grief for using the word hinky.

So it's like. Yeah, Sam, John.

Sam John is very precise in the odd language.

He likes people to use and not use, you know?

You know what? Hink, hinky, hinky.

Maxing for a second when we did this.

When? We did the Sicario episode.

I said hinky, and I caught myself going, why did I say

hinky? And it's because of this film.

Fuck. And I hadn't watched it yet

again. It was just already in there.

Brilliant. Embedded.

Awesome, now we get the iconic sequence made more iconic by The

Simpsons of Milhouse. Sorry, Kimball in the the dam at

the spillway holding the gun to Gerard, pointing as he does.

If he's not pointing, I think he is pointing.

He's certainly pointing in my mind going.

I didn't. Kill my wife.

Yeah, yeah. And then, then Gerard's hands

up. I don't care.

Yeah. Really great way for us probably

about half an hour into the film to set out the store of these

two characters. Like really just very clearly

announces the motivation to these guys.

Your boy Kimball is on a search for truth and justice and to

clear his name. And Samuel Gerard just wants to

catch his man. He's a mountain.

He just used to get his guy and both very noble pursuits, you

know, without without without fear and a favour.

He just wants to get his guy and and put him back into the

justice system from which he escaped from.

And I think I like that scene a lot because it shows us that

this is the movie saying you're allowed to root for both these

guys. Yeah, definitely it is put.

That gun down. Put that gun.

Down now, like, like Tommy Lee Jones isn't being a cunt about

this, basically, yeah. And then you got pretty

obviously iconic kibble. Throws himself just steps

backwards, falls off the spillway.

My glasses. Yeah, you see, now.

You see, you've totally broken my mind now.

Because now, right, I'm imagining Milhouse in those

flashbacks with, with, with, with Richard's wife.

And it's black and white and she's dying and Milhouse is just

trying to resuscitate her. But exactly the eyebrow wobble.

Yeah, yeah. My God.

No. See the line Bart and Daddy's

tussling with the What are bad for the What are bads like

fucking you know who the what are bad is?

Oh, it's the, it's the I know who it is.

It's the, oh, it's the veteran guy who teaches them.

How to be assaulted. It's that guy.

It's that guy who won the first or second season.

Like the key to Springfield is Evergreen Terrace.

The Romans do it and now you know it.

That's it. Or it's or it's the fat German

kid, that little lad in the fucking lid.

And he's just like. Don't chase me, I'm full of

chocolate. God grave.

I did not see this going here. This is brilliant.

In German. That fat kid has a Swiss accent,

by the way. That's amazing.

That's so good. That's so they.

Can follow. Shoki Brilliant.

We truly are an excellent multinational team with

interesting perspectives. Look at us all adding value.

Wow. I too have added one value to

the pod. You said that one time.

Can I get my chicken nuggies now?

I've been a good boy for five. No attendees for you, Not enough

good boy fights. Everything's coming at Milhouse

in the sense that Richard Kimball survives that incredible

fall, but no man should people survive.

It looks really good still, by the way.

I mean you tell someone's looked a dummy off the side, but it

doesn't look like offensively bad.

Actually, they're after Richard Kimball because he possesses

superhuman feat such as being able to swim in aerated water.

Yeah, and not find yourself like, pummelling to death by

being in the plunge pool at the bottom of a dam.

But I mean, they've they've really got to kind of sell this

scene and make it look good because obviously any kind of

scene like this, when you jump and down waterfall or off this

structure like this, you're up against that scene in the

mission from about six years beforehand when the guy goes

over the waterfall tide with big fuck off crucifix.

And it's like you're up against that as far as the spectacle

goes. Good pull.

I like this. So he gets out.

Gerard is not fazed at all from this.

He's like, I want a body can find me a body.

I want divers down there. I want a pedicopter searching

here. He does not let up the pace at

all. There's not even a second where

he goes Watson fucking dead and Joy pants is like, can we go

home now? He's like, tell you, we can go

fucking home, Joy. Fucking fucking classic joy

cosmic. Lengthy I.

Like I like the. Precision and the realism with

which it is written and how he goes into fine details like tell

the pilots to watch out for the wires, that kind of thing.

He he doesn't. Just kind.

Of like he throws out one liners which are really funny and stuff

like that. We'll thank go go get a get a

straight pull and find the fish for him.

But he isn't just all one liners and waka waka and like kind of

badass lines. He's like you can tell he's an

intelligent guy who knows exactly how we do this kind of

shit and things like that. The little kind of procedural

things like make sure the how come the pals don't hit the wire

just really appeals to me on a probably autistic level.

I love it as well and I think. I think.

It's part of the charm of this film and and part of what makes

the dual protagonist angle really work is that both Kimball

and Gerard are both shown to be extremely composent people.

Yeah, Kimball. Kimball, obviously.

With his trade craft, Kimball. With his medicine as well, it

seems like kids life we'll talk about in a bit and him like

basically doing his own investigative work to undercover

what's going on with probasic and essentially established the

motive for his wife murder and and by so doing it and cover the

culprit as well. Incredible.

And so he's doing all that Gerard, as you say, is a very

good, capable leader and leadership is very appealing

when you see it done well on screen, but also very skilled in

his actual like SME elements of his, of his of his job, you

know, as well. So it's subject matter expert

sort of stuff. He's extremely squat in what

he's doing and it shows. And I think that that sells it

because we've got like two people who are both really

competent, both really likeable as well.

Incredibly so. Yeah.

I. Think I think.

I think Ford. Has the harder.

Job to be likeable as Kimball because he has less opportunity

to be likeable whereas yeah Gerard has the the gift of being

able to bounce off his team all the time yeah and even when he's

like giving a bit of a gentle. Ribbon.

And fucking with him a little bit.

Yeah. It still comes across as really

likeable. Yeah.

Like what you're thinking, think of, think of think of one of

those Donuts. Chuck the dose with the

sprinkles. What you're thinking, like all

that stuff. Don't let.

Don't. What's it?

Don't. Let them give you shit about

your ponytail. Yes, I love that.

Yeah. Good boy, Well done.

Don't let. Them give you shit about your

ponytail. Yeah, so there's right so.

The next bit. That we should cover is there's

there's two threads now. One is Kimball hitchhiking back

to Chicago. Incredibly unlikely.

One of the one of the major stretches of the film couldn't

happen today. There's no way any woman alone

in a car is letting a man into it.

Just don't see that happening these days.

No, no, absolutely fucking not. Yeah, I mean, you know.

Pretty there's fucking good. Reasons as well, Let's be

straight. Here, I mean, yeah, yeah,

exactly. Women are choosing the band.

It's not by accident, I think. Wow, that's a reference.

To some of. Extremely online discourse.

OK, OK. Half of this shows.

References to extremely online discourse, though I was going to

say extremely. Online references on this

podcast, not before. It's not like the last 50

minutes have been mostly that. Does you know that we're at war,

by the way? This is, yeah.

Holy Foley guys, Right, That's all I'm allowed to talk.

About it, that's all I'm. Allowed to say right, but where

it's happening? Operation Bacon?

Who the fuck? Named that it's so.

Bad, right? We know it.

We know. It was.

It's so fucking stupid. It's.

Like it's like. You know that like everybody is

12 theory. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

How? How everyone?

On the Internet and. Politics is a 12 year old and

it's saying of course it's called epic.

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, oh boy. Oh boy, Operation Jean-Claude

Van Damme spinning kickers go. Oh boy, Mom said.

It's my turn. On the operation naming

generator, it's terrible. It's terrible.

And what a large operation. No bad times.

Yeah, man, So what? Was the latest one HF made an

address to the country today, I guess as a prelude to a further

address by Trump which I haven't seen yet because we're doing

this today is the 2nd of March 2026.

So we're like 48 hours into like the nonsense he made one of.

The comments he made was. Addressing US service personnel

like we have President Trump and I, we've got your backs and that

and we got your backs from the kind of like gesticulates to the

audience. He was like from the from the

media, like dismissively and from people criticising you and

all this kind of stuff. And it's like, what does that

actually mean? Right?

Because you haven't actually got their backs because you've sent

them to do an illegal war. Everything they're doing more

than one, I think verifiable war crime has taken place already.

When you say you've got their backs, like how far does that

extend? Are you going to, are you going

to fucking stop killing the fucking VA nurses then that you

that you killed in fucking Minnesota a couple of weeks ago?

Like, sorry man. The podcast, but.

Fuck me man and. Again, all of the.

Shit that he. Comes out with all of his stupid

fucking quotes. My my rule of thumb on the whole

everyone is 12 unified theory of everything being shit now is

that if someone makes a plagal statement that you can respond

to with OK buddy high 5. Good for you little guy.

They are indeed a fucking 12 year old and that's the shit he

comes out with. Trump as well.

What I say the the, the Iranian Navy's floating at the bottom of

the sea, little buddy. High five.

Yeah, yeah, man. Yeah, we hit some of this right.

He said some of the most insane stuff to me.

You did the you did the you did the law of Farquaad speech from

Shrek. Did you catch?

What the fuck? Some of you made time sacrifice.

I'm willing to make like what the and then and then when you

know God rest her souls. Several members of the US arms

services have sadly passed away as a part of as a direct result

of his actions. Yeah, he then was like, people

die in war. That's just what happens.

There's going to be more. What the fuck you, man?

You start it, Yeah. Like what the fuck?

It's like he's. Literally come out and just

said. It is what it is basically

right. And it's like, I'll fucking say

it is what it is. If I don't bring the milk in and

it goes bad, you know, if, if I leave the milk out when the

Milky man delivers it, it is what it is.

You know, if I if I lose a fiver at the pub, it is what it

fucking is, man. But it's like people die in war.

Yeah, fucking just you. And then?

Vance had the temerity. To say that, well, the

difference, what makes this war that were involved in the Middle

East different from the other ones, is that all the other

presidents, all of them were morons.

I'm like, mate, you are throwing a lot of masonry for someone

living in a glass house right now.

Jesus fucking Christ. Yeah.

Wow, yeah. Blew my mind.

Anyway, back to the movie. Back to the movie, right?

Yeah, sort of. Kimball.

Kimball's hitchhiked in Chicago what is also happening at the

same time? And this initially confused me

for a split second because I was looking away in second

screening, which is really bad, is there's a witness that is

seen Copeland get into a car and he is now staying at the home of

a lover, I guess. Yeah, because the way the film.

Tells it to you is they're saying we've got our guy, he's

shacked up with a lady in Chicago and you kind of think or

our thoughts from moment up. Shit, The So Kimble's a Slayer.

What? Yeah, the kick.

Kimble's a Slayer. Kimble's a Chad already.

Wow. We are mugged by his widow, our

maxing. But anyway, like with the film,

the film does kind of throw your dummy for a bit by making you

think that he's got into the car with this woman, he's gone to

her house. Then we'll see the scene of the

US Marshals approach from the house and think they're going to

be going after Kimble in there. I enjoyed this.

Yeah. Yeah.

It's good. I like that.

It's a really good little twist and turn that makes it very

entertaining. I like a good fake out when it's

done well. And which is this is so this is

part of the when I was saying that the the US Marshals, I

could do with them turning them down by like a tiny fraction.

This is like the this is like probably the main one.

And it's to do with the costuming that they do to blend

in in the neighbourhood where like, Tony Jones is dressed as,

what did you say, Sonia, a Russian tank commander.

A Russian tank commander. It's not hot, isn't it?

He does, though. Doesn't he tell me I'm.

Wrong. No, you're right.

Am I? Wrong AM.

I wrong, am I wrong? And he's like telling us like

buddy, oh, act drunk, act drunk. It's like, but I mean, all of

this pales in comparison the US Marshals when you're first

introduced to 1. When he's wearing a fucking

chicken suit. This is what I told Cyan because

he hasn't seen it. Yeah.

Oh, brilliant. Glad you mentioned it.

Oh yeah. Ridiculous.

That's why. Because they turn up an extra

dial because they have to carry the whole movie, really.

Because like, Rosie's life isn't really doing anything.

He's not as engaging as as Harrison Ford, sadly, because

he's not as much to do. It's a real shame.

Anyway, this takes a a very sharp and negative turn when

they when they get into the house and start doing a bit of

CQB, kinda. Yeah.

I'll let you talk about that in the weapons three section, I

think. Yeah, I fucking love it

actually. But and but.

Immediately. Goes horrible.

So the atmosphere in the house is pretty horrible.

It's pretty pretty rundown dwelling and Copeland like goes

high and right straight away gets that gets the one guy with

the ponytail and a headlock and and holds a gun to his head and

he starts like screaming his head off like I've got you guy

got you guy. It's like big he's got in the

head and the headlock holding a gun point.

We got another character defining moment from Gerard

though. So Gerard, upon seeing this, it

takes a really risky shot at close quarters, shoots and kills

Copeland before he can shoot Biggs outside the house.

Biggs catches up with Gerard. Obviously, he's a bit more

critical because he's like, you could have killed me, man.

You know, I could have not killed.

And his ears ringing from, like, the gunfire by his head and all

that kind of stuff. And then he leans in close to

his ear. Yeah, it's 100.

Percent not service. Related Are you a veteran of the

armed forces? Since 19. 67 mop have you have

been? Hearing loss.

Mop, I get those adverts. On Instagram.

All the time. Yeah, Facebook.

And I'm not even a fucking. Veteran I'm not even fucking

part just for complex a part of this part and I got them on

Facebook. You're you're the airsoft.

Walls aren't you? I'm a veteran.

Of 1000 sacred Wars in the words of Blue Öyster Cult yeah, I'm a

veteran of. Living through and President

historical events President historical yeah fucking and.

And, and also the Janzads are involved in this board as well

too. They are indeed.

Yeah. You were alive when?

Princess Diana died. Just probably.

When's your birthday? That's why that's when it

started for me. Busty day.

Oh, so you're a month old when she.

Dies Tommy Lee Jones leans in. Close to the pictures ear and

he's like can. You hear what I'm saying?

He's like, yeah, I can hear what I'm saying.

He goes, I don't bargain. And that's a cool.

That's another cool sort of full stop.

On, on, off the back of his eye. I don't care.

So he's like, he's incredibly driven and he doesn't mess

around, right. So Kimball now is in Chicago at

large and he's Wheeling and dealing.

He's trying to figure out what's what's going on.

He bumps into his old friend Doctor Charles Nichols in an

underpass, gets a couple of bucks from him.

It establishes that that Charles, who we saw like at the

very beginning in the gala, Charles and he are friends and

they're still friend leaders. But like he's a wanted man.

Kimball start his his kind of mission so posing as a janitor.

Kimball. Infiltrates Cook County Hospital

and he does this by initially going in the hospital, stealing

a janitor's ID, going away again and doing some like offline.

He's like doing some like forging.

He's like getting some Janet uniform.

He gets digs as well, doesn't he Like gets?

Himself in that, that pool basement.

That's right. She's living with her.

Fail son. Her absolute fail son.

He was. Pivotal to the plot later on?

Yeah, absolutely. What an.

Absolute should by. The way if anyone in this film,

if any character in this film would ever go on to what are the

phrase, fuck my should life, it's him.

Can you imagine? Because he'd be what?

To run some quick mats here he'd.

Be probably. In his like, I mean, he's what

he's like in his like probably late 20s.

He's at that point. He'll be in his like 40s late

40s when Reddit first comes on the scene by now.

By like today's fucking hot minute he'll be in his 50s.

Posted as busted ass meals on kitchen cells going like 53 year

old kissless hugless hand holders.

Virgin spoke to a girl today. She vomited pecan pie.

I'm going to rope Max roll ramen.

Raw ramen Pretty. Old burger.

I want to die. Yeah, man, he sucks so.

Yeah, Kimball. Kimball gets those digs and it's

nicely like intercut with the Marshalls interviewing Kimball's

like associates because he's like, we want the heat to die

down. We don't want media coverage.

We want Kimball to try and re enter his life, yeah, but in the

background. They're interviewing like.

His colleagues so we get some great like they're not cameos

because they weren't famous yet. But we get lots of very short

bit parts by people who would be famous later, which we'll talk

about in casting. But like one of those is like

Jane Lynch, we get like the chief of police from psych

people like that get get queried.

And one of them is obviously this, this Charles Nichols

played by Duran Crabb. And he's very, very charming.

And he's like, oh, I bumped into Kimball outside my Tennis Club.

Seems to be like really affable. But he also seems to be like

firmly in Kimball's corner, which is a misdirect.

I think it's the film plays really well.

And we also highlight it's like, look, you're going to Kimball's

really smart. And I think it's like, it's

Gerard and I think like Joey Pants.

And they're like, we're smart. We're smart guys, smarter than

us. He's like, yes, smart.

The news, he's like smarter than smarter than you.

He's like and he's like, yes, smarter even.

Smarter than me? Yeah, and we get that intercut

with like him doing the doing the making the fake ID and

posing for like a passport for so him and dying his hair dark

and stuff as well. So he's doing all that to like

change his appearance. Then he goes to the hospital as

a as a fake janitor. There's some kind of, I mean,

it's classic indictment of the of the American healthcare

system. The hospitals like overflowing.

Everyone's super busy. Doctor Julianne Moore is there.

She spots Kimball as the janitor and says, I need you to move

this kid down to whatever department it is that the sick

kid needs to go to. And he's like me, I'm only here

to do some research. Fine, I will.

So he goes and helps the kid goes to the goes into the

elevator, looks at the kids chest X-ray when she clocked.

Yeah, you diagnose this is something like?

Pretty much wrong by like the way the kids like breathing and

the pain is in the chest. And of course the doctors sort

of misdiagnosed him. I think I forgot what it is that

like the doctor. Yeah, looking.

At it's very much a kind. Of really perfunctory, almost

battlefield triage at this point, doesn't it?

Like, doesn't examine the kid much.

He looks at the the chest. X-ray asks a few.

Questions, writes up some stuff, writes some stuff in his chart

and uses his doctor signature, which is just a WAVY line.

Takes it now to a, a surgical theatre and then kind of like as

a janitor just goes like, I've got this got his patient for

you. And like hands the chart over

and then she looks at it. She pieces together what the

correct course of action is from the notes that the subtle notes

he's added to the charts. Again, another good character

movement from from Kimball, because we see that he's got,

you know, heart of gold. He's at the risk of being made.

He's went out of his way to do something good to save this

child's life. And then after that he he starts

doing his investigation. So he goes to the place.

I don't know, actually after or before this.

Now I think about it, it could be the way around.

But he goes to the prosthetics department, has a cool name,

someone lets him in, he pretends to clean like the shutters so he

can look himself, lock himself and be unseen in office.

Like get up at an oldie schooly computer with a black screen and

green text like a fallout fucking terminal and and brings

up the database and prints off a bunch of names and smuggles of

the way for for further examination later.

But he is made again as he attempts to exit the hospital by

Doctor Julianne Moore. And as as she as he starts to

feel the heat around the corner he he bugs out and just leaves

and she like tries to call security but it's too late.

One one of my favourite bits about this.

Is like she, she, she grabs his ID card and then she's like, you

wait here and is it no, literally going to run away?

It's like. That that in itself is a bit of

like an indictment on like orderly stuff and John as might

sometimes get treated at hospitals maybe because it's a

bit like chasing you wait there like there's like this is utter

self belief that this peon this servant will do exactly what she

says because she's just because she's clinical stuff.

It's probably. Not meant to be written like

that. But it does feel a little bit

like there's almost this kind of feeling of like you stay there

servant kind of thing and and he fucking bolts and he's out with

that. We get a whole sequence of him

doing. Investigations, so he's he's

calling up all the numbers that he's got from the database.

It does that gaol visit for that guy.

That he finds, Yeah, just for the term.

That's not him. And the guy wants to slap a

conversation again. Man, they gotta be out myself

enough. And he's like, no, I've got to

go. It's like you.

You would have least. Talked about a smack.

Wouldn't it's like, how about that local sports team?

Cubs. Chicago.

Maps Baby. Chicago.

Yeah. Yeah.

So there's 20, there's two bits. We haven't talked about one of

them I'll save for You've got to do it though oversell of the

military industrial complex. We'll talk about it in a bit.

But now you've taken this nicely up to the sequence where Gerard

and that are also there because they have also really done the

same list of suspects. And so they want to talk to this

guy and find out what the crack is and they just happen.

I think that's all the point in the.

Film when Gerard starts to kind of off his own bat, investigate

things himself, and it becomes less of a manhunt or more of

like a kind of oversight. Of what's going on?

As he starts to realise that maybe the investigation has been

a bit hinky, botched, So what really propelled?

Us, and I think this has sold pretty well at the start of the

film as well, is that every bit of law enforcement that Saint

George Girard has interacted with in the state of Illinois

has not impressed him. Everyone's fucked him off in

some way. Like like the state troopers

were full of shit. The local sheriff's heart would

have been full of shit. Now he goes to Chicago itself,

which is where they're bought officers based out of because he

says he's come, he's come back home and all that kind of stuff.

But yeah, he's met the Chicago PD and got a got a bit of a word

from the investigation officer from from the case.

Yeah. Who?

By the way, dies just like. Last week in real life.

Oh shit. Ron.

Ron. Dean, who played detective.

Kelly. Yeah, so, so, yeah, rest in

peace him anyway. Yeah.

So he he meets with those guys and and kind of like gets a

flavour for what the investigation was like and

realises that actually this was bullshit.

He gets his own guys to reinterview every witness in

that initial case, which is a weird misallocation of their

resources, but it's good. Yeah.

So you're absolutely right. So now they're doing their own

investigation, going like, maybe Kimball's not full of shit what

actually did happen because. And he can justify this because

the more he knows what what really happened and what's going

on in his real life, he thinks, well, now I can find out where

he's going to go next and who's going to talk to.

So there's a there's a like a plot functional reason for him

to do so, which is cool. We're feeling at this point in

the filming of the movie that when Harrison Ford's got on the

project, he had quite a significant say on some amends

to the screenplay. And he made some.

He made some talks about how they wanted to change not the

shooting schedule so much, but like, had some ideas about how

do we shoot the movie. And it was Harrison Ford who

lobbied really hard to shoot it on location in Chicago for the

Chicago sequences, all the rural stuff that's taken place, like

North Carolina and bits and bobs.

But he was like, right when we're in Chicago, we are in

Chicago. And Andrew Davis, who directed

the movie, is from Chicago. Yeah, so it was his.

Idea to. Take advantage of the Saint

Patrick's Day parade. None of this is in the

screenplay. And it was like, right, Saint

Patrick's Day's Perez in town. We're in Chicago, we're

shooting, we're going to we're going to get involved.

And they didn't like, didn't plan this too far ahead of time.

They kind of just rocked up on the day and a bit of gruel

filming, just did their bits. It wasn't in the screenplay.

So it was like, so it was like, you're going to go up to the

crowd, they're going to look for you.

You're going to run away, they're going to chase you, all

that kind of stuff. You're going to put one of these

hats on and kind of March along with the guys, Like just just.

Yeah, Grey Man activities. I love them.

Man, just yeah, cool. So we have, right?

Let's let's do this bit secrets properly.

So so they're in City Hall. There's a flight of stairs.

I love this. Gerard spots him on the on the

on the stairwell and to try and he's not sure who he is.

She just goes Richard and then Richard looks up at him and

that's when he's like Butkins looks at the guy and that's when

the foot chase starts. I think that's brilliant.

He gets out the building through the door.

One of the guys is up on the roof and it's like he's going

across the he's going. Across the Plaza.

He's running towards the. Parade, and they've run.

Out. Yeah, man, it's so good.

Yeah, yeah. So that's a sequence to be, to

be really like Newcastle. Mentioned something I love about

Chicago and some of the shots in the city is work with me.

Yeah, it looks a bit like if Granger Town had skyscrapers in

it, doesn't it? Some parts of Chicago look like

if Newcastle's Granger Town aerials but big fuck off

skyscrapers in it and I like that.

It's a great city. It's a it's a great location.

And this is probably I've seen online some mentions has been

like a great Chicago movie and it it is like.

So think of other Chicago movies that we've watched.

So we did The Untouchables. Yeah, but the.

Untouchables didn't really show us too.

Much Chicago. It had like that one street they

made like a 1930 St that they shot all their St scenes in

pretty much and the docks. But we didn't see the city

itself. So we don't get like the iconic

river and the bridges across the river and the stuff.

We didn't see the bridges and the stuff here.

Right now, yeah, exactly. So that I didn't do it as well.

I. Don't think other great Chicago

movies, man. I'm not, I'm not so good at

this, but the only one I can think of the top of my head was

Sandra Bullock in While You Were Sleeping because she works.

She works for the L train. Later, Kimball breaks into the

home of another suspect off his list, Frederick Sykes.

Frederick Sykes is played by. Andreas Capsulus.

Yeah, he's, he's definitely. One of those like guys.

We'll talk about it when we get to the so, so that section,

yeah. Man, I've got notes on this guy

as well. Yeah, big time.

So. He breaks into his house,

Kimball recognises Sykes as the wild man who's his wife's

killer, and discovers evidence linking Sykes to his former

colleague Dr Alec Lentz. And then this is a great piece

of shit fucking fucking big pharma named Devlin McGregor, a

multi billion dollar pharmaceutical company Devlin

Maria. It's a great name for a piece of

shit company developing a drug called Pravasic.

Sorry, if you say Pravasic, you've got a point.

Pravasic. Kimball had reviewed Pravasic

and discovered that it causes liver damage, which should have

prevented the drug being approved for sale.

However, he he finds out that it that it basically has Yeah.

So now that samples from one non.

Diseased liver the same non diseased liver from one of the

samples and that's determined isn't it like when he when he

pulls pulls the samples from that from that cool old

pathologist guy bones the column yes right he.

Visits that guy and that guy. 'S like that whole business

business with your wife. What happened in the end He's

like, it's not over. I fucking love that guy like.

You know, I yearn to be like that guy, so disconnected from

the news that he's like, what happened to that whole thing

with you being sentenced to death for murdering your wife?

Man, Now you're walking around you've you've you've drastically

changed your appearance and I'm just not even going to fucking

bother to really kind of analyse this just hey man, it's all

good. You know what, know how to watch

the news papers? No, just going to watch my

stories. I'm.

Going to watch my stories, I'm going to watch the brave and

the. Bold and that's it.

So you get to the bottom of the. Liver.

Sample stuff by speaking to his old pal Jane Lynch as well.

Yeah, which is great. Jane Lynch is a great.

She's great. Like that guy actually

characterised it. Yeah, I really like this.

So they, they do so much subtle, I say subtle.

They do some really good character establishing work with

her, just like the costuming. I think it's really cool how to

do that. Yeah, like the kind of she's got

the badge like. I hate it.

It's not. A family value badge?

Yeah. Yeah, and she's got like the the

aids. Ribbon and stuff on as well.

Yeah, yeah, she's got a lot of. Steel about the character, a lot

of a lot of, you know, get in there.

I like her. Yeah, she wasn't.

Like she, she was pretty dismissive of the US Marshals

earlier on as well by saying like, he's too, too smart, like

confirm it's the wrong place kind of thing.

And now, now she's like, oh, now aiding and abetting because

she's yeah, she fucking rules. Yeah, she's not giving a shit.

But now that we've made this breakthrough the case.

Your boy Kimball rings Gerard. From Sykes's home, the US.

Marshals will be led to Sykes's address where they interview,

and they immediately tell that something is called hinky.

So that's pretty cool. And then, suspicious that he

already finds Gerard, puts Sykes under surveillance, but he

sneaks away. Kimball realises that the

Probosic affected liver samples that he sent to Lentz were

tampered with, which we talked about to hide the side effects.

They were then approved in Lentz's name on the same day

that he died under suspicious circumstances.

Therefore, Kimball deduces that Nichols was responsible.

Then we get into the sort of the final axe here.

So aboard a train to the medical conference in a hotel where

Nichols will unveil Prevacic, Kimball is attacked by Sykes,

who shoots an intervening police officer, played by Neil Flynn,

dead. Oh fuck, we were talking about

scrubs. Yeah, fucking legends there from

Scrubs and there's brilliant and Kimball subdues Sykes like you

know, knocks 60s weapon but the police assume Kimball killed the

officer and order him shot on site because the Chicago PD in

this film are fucking morons at the.

Conference Kimball. Publicly conferenced Nichols for

killing Lentz, concealing Provasix side effects for the

profit and directorship of Devon McGregor.

Cool. Right before we carry on, the

train sequence is cool. AFIII really like it.

It's a really good Chicago thing they've made.

They've mentioned the elevated rail network already and now we

get to go on it, so that's quite cool.

How do you think it? Weighs up against.

Collateral that we did recently, interesting because.

Collaterals train sequence is like a battle between two

individuals, while a third individual kind of heights and

the. The battle, that kind.

Of conflict on on this train is between kind of three

individuals who are all kind of like at loggerheads with each

other really on the like, it's just a kind of like triple kind

of collision. And there's this tension where

the cops like this, this tension just when the cops going to get

involved kind of thing. And then just quick, brutal,

nasty gunfight when Sykes is is incapacitated by Richard Kimble.

I did say to Emma, I was like, as he starts handcuffing, he's

like, I hope he doesn't try to handcuff him to his prostatic

arm. But then of course, Richard

Kimble is too intelligent for that.

Andy handcuffs them to the rail and the train beer.

It stands up Morris like a kind of essentially comes like a

really quick and dirty 20 foot rule kind of gunfight, doesn't

it? Whereas there's there's there's

a lot more like kind of skill and precision and it's more

about the gunplay in collateral. While in in this film it's just

guys shooting each fucking shooting at each other from the

from the hip, almost just in in a blind panic of a close nasty

gunfight. I think it doesn't have the

same. It isn't shot with the same like

Michael Mann regard for the art of gun slinging, if you see what

I mean. Like it's like it's just a

quick, brutal, nasty engagement. It's not meant to be the climax

of the film like the scene in Collateral is.

Yeah, this has got it's got the funny.

Little. Bit that leads him to it as

well, where he's sat on the train and there's a guy opposite

to him reading the paper. And then and he can and he can

see he's a picture on the back page.

And instead of just getting up and walking away and he sits

there and waits for the guy to like turn the paper around and

look at it and then look at him and then look at the paper.

And then the guy just fucking gets up.

And gets off. It's like I'll just get the next

train. It's so good.

It's incredible scenes. I like that.

I like the. I like the bit where Neil Flynn

makes Kimball and turns. Of course he's going to go

Kimball because that's that. You see that scene?

Again in Scrubs, which is very fun.

Which is really good, I like the fight.

I like the weight of the fight. So there's some really good

punching going on from from Kimball here.

And he uses like the, the, I think there's a bit where the

train lurches and he kind of falls forward and throws a punch

at the same time. And you can you feel it connects

and it's like, oh, that must have really hurt that one, which

is cool. The only thing I didn't like

about it, The only thing I didn't like about it is after

he's handcuffed him to the reeling, he grabs him by the

hair and he goes like his head against the wall of the train.

Yeah, he goes like this. I think this.

Is like, this is my stop. Like this is what you get off.

So like that he says, like he says some kind of piffy one

liner, like, this is my stop. And then he bangs his head.

And then the guy just like that really exaggerated, like, oh,

I've knocked out. Yeah, a little.

Head wobble. I've been knocked.

Out a little. Head wobble on a slump and it's

like I don't know if that that would just hurt him.

I don't think it would knock me out.

And so, and I mean as. As a sabbatical.

Professional he'd want like not. Fuck around with head injuries

and stuff, right? I mean, yeah.

I mean if. You're exactly guiding alive to.

Testify and stuff. The ordeal he's gone through

hasn't made him into a killer, but it's made him into a guy who

was going to fucking bang a dude's head against the against

the train's walls and not think too much of it, you know?

Yeah, exactly. Cool.

So that happens and then we get to the the, the conference.

I was thinking the other day when I watched this that we, we

talked about this scene when we did the Smoking Aces episode

where it was like the most hilarious course of action was

that this, this conference was taking place at the same time as

the raid on the and he's just screaming about.

Probasic and nobody cares because like this fucking neo

Nazis shooting people up and black power snipers laying down

here from the roof and stuff like that yeah exactly it was

like. Nobody cares.

Yeah, it's sort of good, Yeah. So, so yeah, he kind of, he kind

of like makes a big scene, walks into the everyone, everyone

recognises him because it's obviously a good full of his

peers and it's obviously hot news as well.

Just as Charles Nichols is giving his big speech to unveil

probasic. And then he's like, that's how

you did it, isn't it? You swap the samples.

And he was like, Oh my God, swap the samples, my God.

And he's like, oh, my friend is feeling a little bit unwell and

he kind of stepped off the stage and there's one bit where like

he's tried to put his arm around.

Yeah, Kimball. And Kimball shuts his arm off

and everyone's like, oh, damn. It's.

Great. It's it's.

It's such like a well mannered confrontation.

There's there's something very kind of old fashioned about it.

It's it's. It's like the tone.

Of it all shifts to something that may not have even been from

that century. You know what I mean It becomes

very, very like measured and there's just this kind of calm

but imposing feel about it. I like how Nichols begins to

crack and says dishonest instead of honest, by the way, I really

like that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

But yeah, to get it just. Come it just.

Changes into this very, very kind of tense scene of

weaponized good manners. Yeah, cable's like you changed

the samples. Didn't you, Huh.

You switched the samples after Lens died.

After Lens died, You're the only one who had the access.

You switched the samples and the pathology reports.

And then he shoved his nickels and it was like, oh damn.

Damn. Did you kill Lens too?

Huh. Did.

You and then and then he turns out to the crowd he falsified

his research so the RDU 90 could be approved and Devin McGregor.

Could give you. Prophasic, and then he touches

back. And that's when they.

Have like the big fights. So the pair fight through the

hotel, pursued by Gerard and you have this awesome.

So they go to the roof like straight away and they're

outside of the roof air complex. The ROV has been given to the

cops like shoot on slight. You take him, you've got a clean

shot. You take you've got God, what's

his name again? You've got the pony hair, the

ponytail guy. Don't give don't give any shit

for his ponytail. He's he's like in the OPS room.

He's actually like in the security CCCV area.

So he's keeping track of his movements throughout the hotel.

So you've got like all these comms going off.

Everyone's talking on comms all the time whilst you have the

fight happening. I like it.

Really, really well handled. You know, again.

As I was saying earlier. On like it's a bit of a lost

start the the the weaponized use of a helicopter in movies these

days. This is like lurking around the

building. You've got like the sniper

inside, like taking pot shots. And then as soon as like Gerard

gets on the roof, it's like, we've got major on the roof,

like hold your fire. And they fight their way through

like a they get to like AI guess like a skylight.

Yeah. And they they fight in the VIX

facility of it. Another really good, crunchy,

punchy fight. Harrison Ford.

Has. Always seemed.

Like a guy who would just beat the fucking bricks off you in a

face even, even even at his current age.

Looks like he could throw a good couple of punches in the car

park of a flat roofed pub, you know.

Am I wrong? Am I wrong?

I think he's a. Fantastic, fantastic puncher.

Yeah, obviously, as I said, I watched, I watched Indiana Jones

recently. Rob Britt is a little stark and

he throws a good punch of punches in that.

He's throws a great, great slug of punches in this as well.

Yeah, he's a, he's a, he's handy.

Like that's what I'd say. Does it compared to?

Compared to how throwing? Back the prior episodes compared

to how Clint Eastwood conducts himself in the bathroom fight

scene in Firefox when when as as physical violence is just not.

That good like and. I don't know if some of that is

the direction. As well and it's filmed from

weird angles that. Fight scene as well, like

there's that POV angle that's coming towards the guy and it's

like, that ain't good. Weird.

Yeah, so. They fall.

Through onto. Well, what happened?

Nichols falls into an elevator. What?

Meanwhile, Kimball lands on top of the elevator.

Yeah. And then it comes, gets a bit

groggy. It comes to consciousness, gets

into the elevator and then follows Nichols.

They've they've went down to the fifth floor, which is revealed

to be the laundry. And we have a bit of a cat and

mouse where we have Kimball pursuing nickel, but Gerard and

Stewie pants pursuing Kimball. And that in order to furnish

himself with a weapon, Nichols knocks out an unsuspecting Joey

pants and and steals his gun. He does it with like a big long

clothing rail thing, something like that.

Yeah. Like it looks like.

You're fucking fuck you. I think that's why the.

End They show the scene of him getting, like, put into the

ambulance and talking shit to people.

Yeah, because it's like, look, just, you know, Joey Pants

didn't die from that. That thing that would definitely

kill you. Gerard is calling out to Kimball

to tell him. Kimball.

There's no. There's no way out of here,

Richard. The entire building's locked

down. Give it up, Richard.

You don't have any time. Chicago police thinks you're a

cop killer. They will shoot you on sight.

Richard. I know you're innocence.

I know about Richard Frederick Sykes.

I know about Doctor Charles Nichols.

Richard, he borrowed your car that night.

The wife's murder. He had your keys.

No forced entry, Richard. He telephones psychs from your

car. Richard, Give it up, Richard.

I'm either lying or I'm going to shoot you.

What do you think? It's time to stop running.

And as he's saying all that, Nichols is obviously just taking

out Joey Pants. Yeah, and he's.

And he's lining up a shot on Gerard now, thinking, fuck, this

guy's onto me. And he's killed him as well.

And then Kimball comes up from behind Nichols with, like, a

pipe or something. It just wheels on him.

Wails on on his legs, knocks. Knocks him off his feet and then

hits him on the back. And Gerard turns around, sees

Kimball with the pipe, but sees, more importantly, Nichols with

the gun pointed directly at him. And then, and then your boy

Kimball finally, finally gives himself into the custody of

Samuel Gerard. And both our guys won.

Yes, he proved his. Innocence and.

Samuel. Gerard got his man.

We get like a really, really quick wrap up.

It's impressive how quickly they wrap it up.

So we get we get there's a press for all outside the hotel.

I guess it's just those people talk to you, I guess and they're

asking questions like so if you're arrested A1 on man and

doctor Kimball said it was a one on man and responsible for

killing his wife. Is it the same one on man you're

arresting for killing his mother?

The press just have the lives it's.

Brilliant. That's so good.

Like is. It true.

You guys can't read. Is it like like, like, like just

absolutely having them. And then Pat, Pat on the roof of

the car. They drive away and then like

there's nothing there's nothing else.

There's no like yeah, there's no like seeing outside the

courthouse. You've been exonerated.

Like what you're gonna do with your life.

No, like settling in a small house by the river.

That kind of thing. Just like ends like this movie

is like we did it. We've we've you saw people.

You know what's gonna happen next in Exonerated?

You know, yeah, there's no kind of like.

Scene of anybody. Really.

Else. Getting like the retribution,

like it's not really necessary at this point because you know

that like the long armoured justice is going to the long

prosthetic armoured justice is going to come for them.

Because the whole film you've been seeing how determined the

American justice system is. So you don't need like see

another kind of trial or anything like that of the people

who actually did it. And you don't need even say a

kind of epilogue what it says. And they all got executed

because, you know, bad shit's going to happen.

I mean, yeah. I mean, he's, he's getting the

fucking death sentence, right. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Yeah. So.

The The summary is quite pithily says while reporters query the

police over failings in the case.

Kimmel is escorted to Gerard's car, where he reminds me of his

earlier claim that he did not care.

Gerard Wiley asks him to keep it a secret that he does care.

I like that. I like that.

Yeah, yeah. It's.

Really nice. So yeah.

That wraps up our sort of recounting of the plot of the

movie. What's everyone's final opinions

of the movie, though, Rory? I'll start with Sue here, first

to the door. Again, that other I remembered.

I remembered it being good. I didn't remember it being

brilliant. And there was fucking excellent.

So good the way that it never really got like silly.

I had a few bits when I kind of overset the mark a bit, but

there was often too wacky about it.

Even a film that's got a significant amount of banter in

it never lost its gravity. I think a lot of them

screenwriters looking right at you, Marvel kid, kid, kid can

really kind of learn a lot from just how how the banter in this

film, while it's engaging and explores the characters and

characteristics of the people involved in the story, it

doesn't. Like.

Overpower things. It doesn't rob anything of its

gravity. It's not like they fly now kind

of thing. Fucking he's he's right behind

me, isn't he? That kind of thing, you know,

like it's, it's it's stuff, it's quotable, but it's not like

easily given the pastiche. There's a lot of.

Really. Yeah.

Absolutely. Yeah, there's a lot of really,

really cool stuff in here. First of all, I think my first

thought was take away from this film is that there are no

subplots in this film. There's no like.

You know. Background love story.

There's no like, you know, friends become lovers, lovers

become friends, none of that. It's just it's just all about

the plot and I think that is the right call to make.

I don't think there's any any room.

There's no fats here. It's a it's a decent length of

movie, but there's no fats at all.

There's a bunch of really cool. You know how he talks about in

the last two episodes now, or should I say the last episode,

in the next episode, I talked about the screen racing rule.

That should be like a bit of symmetry between the start of

the movie and the end of the movie.

They should be in the composition of each other.

There's quite a bit of that here.

So the movie opens with with Kimball being put into a police

car, and it ends with being put in a police car.

But the difference is the outlook he's now, he's now being

put into the the, the police car because justice is going to take

place rather than an injustice. The bad guy gives Kimball his

keys back at the, the, the gala and Gerard tells Kimball he

knows the bad guy borrowed his car the night of the murder.

So he had the keys in his house called Sykes from his phone.

So we have like that like really little minor detail, the very

start of the film. It's paid off right at the end.

That's that's. Really cool God whilst.

We are. Oh.

Right. Yeah, so the very first.

Night where Kimball was having his uneasy sleep under a pile of

lean. He dreams of the of the police

interview that he had when he was in his initial interview.

And during that interview, he raises his voice and does like

an all time that Harrison Ford angry point.

He goes find that man. Yeah.

But then he goes on himself to find that.

Man, which is really cool. I like that that that's really

good. Finally.

And this is probably maybe the best 1.

Gerard shoots Copeland and then tells is it big?

So Newman, I can't remember the name of the guy and goes, I

don't bargain. Like that's his thing.

Yeah. And then that is paid off later

at City Hall, where he attempts to shoot Kimball, but it's

through the bulletproof glass. Yeah, at City Hall.

So he's like, he's not fucking around.

He didn't, He didn't shoot him. He just, he just got stopped by

a bulletproof glass. So.

So it's great. The movie is absolutely

fantastic for a for a film that's two hours and 10 minutes

long. Like I said, there is no fat it

it doesn't doesn't mess around really, really impressive.

I'm glad that we've done this movie.

I'm I'm always going to feel like we haven't done it justice.

I think just because how much I think it's such a great movie

and that's probably going to be the case with all these right.

But yeah, absolutely all timer for me.

Sonya, if you've got any thoughts as as someone who

already saw the film for the first time like a week ago, no

thank you. I think you've.

Covered pretty much all avenues. I feel like it's.

It's just a relaxing. Watch for me like it's not over

the top as a lot of thrillers tend to be.

It's reasonably slow paced, but not so slow that it feels

boring. I just it has a good hello if

you want to call it that. Definitely.

I think I think that's a really good.

Point I think one of the things that really drew us, I thought

about you, Roy, but I think that really drew me to doing a

podcast about this genre of movies is because they are

deceptively good films. Like like you could you could

write this off as like genre entertainment.

But the fact that it actually got a lot of rewards,

recognition and a lot of critical acclaim is because it

does a lot of really simple, I say simple stuff.

But there's a lot of like, stun that may have been perfected for

like, the age of like, Hitchcock and that kind of stuff.

But it does it. It does it really, really well.

So yes. Yeah.

OK. It's not Schindler's List,

right. OK, I get it.

And it's not like a ground piece, heartbreaking piece of

art cinema. But what it is is a fantastic

piece of entertainment that takes all the boxes, you know,

And I go back to like, I'll go back to Harrison Ford, that

speech that he gave when he when he received his award, his

lifetime achievement award and the Actors Awards just just just

last night, where he says sometimes we make entertainment,

sometimes we make art. Sometimes if we're lucky, we

make a book at the same time. And yeah, is this going to be

regarded as a great piece of art?

Maybe not. But it's a fucking great piece

of entertainment, definitely. Definitely, I think if.

We were doing a podcast about simply.

Absolute cinema about. I'm, I'm, I mean, we could

easily, we could easily lean in doing stuff about just art house

films and just really highbrow dramas and stuff.

But I probably wouldn't be as fun as doing thrillers.

And I think there was so much complexity in depth to these

films that may not be picked up just by by like a person

glancing at them. You know, I like like like a

cursor. We look at them.

All right, so we're. Back in getting into.

Categories. For this film, I think Mike and

I both have a lot of things to say about the casting of this

movie. We're all familiar.

With the work of Harrison. Ford in his 60th year of acting,

and he's come a long way from his first job as Bellhop Pedra

uncredited in a film called Dead Sheet on a Merry Go Round.

Quick aside, have you guys heard of this film?

Absolutely not. Right a paroled.

Conman. Coordinates the robbery of an LA

airport bank with the arrival of the Soviet premier.

Is is this extremely our shit? This is extremely our thing,

this. Is mid.

This is from 1960. 6 and it looks like an absolute banger.

It's like spin spin. The Wheel of.

The thriller plots right a spin spin spin paroled conman

coordinates the spin spin spin robbery of a fucking bank at a

spin spin spin airport in LA and spin spin spin spin the fucking

Soviet premier has also involved.

This seems like our shit. I would like to officially add

this to the list. Then it goes on to.

Playing. Irate motorist uncredited a film

called Love Lu Victor, the cutesy OWU spelling of it.

A weird sounding Peter Falk and Jack Lemmon film featuring

romantic cheating on your wife and suicide.

Sounds like a weird fucking peace.

And he was that a massive that guy in TV shows.

He did Gunsmoke Love American style.

He did the whole character actor thing of playing two different

characters in the TV series, the FBI, then American Graffiti.

He's off to the races. And of course a certain film

involving some space nights and an incestuous brother and

sister. I speak, of course of Star Wars

Episode 4, and you hope and. He's just done.

Everything after that, he's our guy.

He's one of the parents sense of this show.

Han Solo, Jack Ryan, James Marshall IN Jones.

Absolute giant. But I want to talk about the

people who might have played this role.

So yeah, yeah, A1A1. Jack Ryan.

Was going to be there, wasn't it?

Yeah. Yeah.

Because Alec. Alec.

Bought an audition for it, Nick Nolte and kind of pulled out as

he thought he was too old. Michael Douglas, Kevin Costner,

Horseman, the running. But Mel Gibson was in the

running. Both the the Jack Ryan I mean

the Richard Kimball rule and and the and and the fucking US

Marshall rule as well. Can't imagine Mel Gibson doing

well either of those roles. I'm sorry.

I can't. I can't.

Like, what do you think of that? I mean, what?

Mel Gibson. Yeah, Mel.

Mel Gibson playing. Playing either of them, I

couldn't imagine them playing, no.

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a fan. I'm I'm quite well, I sit on on

Mel Gibson now given given, you know, his current standing in

Hollywood in in Hollywood, Yeah, I can just about watch the

original Mad Max trilogy. Yeah.

That's that's pretty much. That's pretty.

Much what begins and ends for me, and that might be starting

him short, you know, separate art from the artists and that

kind of stuff. I guess.

I guess at a Push movie I could watch Gallipoli.

Yeah, but I mean, I don't. I don't think.

He has. He hasn't.

Got he has got the vibe for either Richard Kimball or Samuel

Gerard. I don't see him.

He doesn't. You're right, no.

He's too abrasive. I.

Think as a as a personality. The thing with Richard Kimball

is. You need to be a special.

Kind of actor. To make all of the immense trade

crafts and stuff that he's doing believable.

There's a lot of actors who would have this, that really

killer phrase, far fetched that I think can.

Absolutely destroy. You know your enjoyment of the

film if someone appears far fetched, if you can't suspend A

disbelief. And with, with, with Harrison

Ford, he can suspend the disbelief that he's that he's

really fucking good at this. You know, and with Mel.

Gibson I don't think I don't. Think I can absolutely imagine.

Mel Gibson as a fucking heart surgeon, for one.

Like, you know, fucking just. I can't even think of Mel Gibson

without hearing that that like, angry voice merely left his

daughter. Was this like, you're

provocatively pressed all the time?

Come on. Come on.

Come on and bring his fucking. Surgical nurse.

It'll be a nightmare. Yes.

Like just like screaming at you for various tools.

It'd be horrible and couldn't believe him as Samuel Gerard, I

think for the simple reason that there is just this streak of

indomitable Old West lawman that runs through Tommy Lee Jones and

that's something that makes his. Performance, incredibly.

Special Yeah, I. Totally agree.

We were. Talking about the passing of

Robert Duvall. Yeah, I'm on Robert Duvall's

sort of greatest credits is his role in the the miniseries

Lonesome Duck. And of course, he stars across

from somebody doing in that as well.

That's right. He dove, Max.

Yeah. That's right.

Yeah. So he's.

He's what is he's Woodrow. Woodrow Call and and and

Duvall's Augustus McRae. Is he Gus And those two make an

incredible pair. Yeah.

Tony Jones. Tony Jones has done so many

Westerns. He takes so many great parts.

And of course, he directed and starred in the Three Deaths of

Milliki's Estrada, which is a good modern day Western, isn't

it? I was.

I was just thinking about. That film when I was doing.

My research and getting pissed off actually, and I'll tell you

why, because I was thinking, right?

I was just kind of casting my mind back this film and thinking

this. I remember reading about this

film and it looks really cool and I keep meaning to see it and

then I saw it was made in 2005 S For 21 years I've been saying I

must see this film and it made me feel old and made me I need.

To. I need to to.

Correct myself because I said the three deaths, it's 3

barrels, 3 barrels, Milliper. Yeah.

You got the cool name, right? Yeah, but it's like, yeah, I

was. I was like, I was like thinking,

Oh yeah, I remember reading people getting that excited

about this in the media and stuff.

And then it's like, oh shit, that's more than 20 years ago

that it came out and you still haven't seen it.

Time is flying away from you. You are becoming old indeed.

Another thing to point out the actor who played Miliades

Estradas is is Julio Cesar Sedillo who was the the cartel

boss in Sicario. Holy shit.

What is this A. Crossover episode indeed, right?

Cool. Tell me the.

Joke. Then I guess you want to.

You want to talk about incredible performance?

Yeah, fully deserving. In my humble.

Opinion of his Academy Award for best supporting actor for this

film simply because he is magnetic.

Of course, after this, I think a lot of people, especially in our

generation. I know him as Agent Kick from

Madame Bland. But also lastly, No Country for

Old Men. Of course he plays the the

sheriff in that. Yeah, wild weary.

Lawman. Again, just just the types of.

Role. He was.

He was. Kind of born to he just, he just

fell into this. Role of playing craggy crabby

shop with badasses whether the be on the good or the bad side

of the story. He also had a really big break

in the film Rolling Thunder, and that is a film that I've had on

the clear and present dudes list since day one.

I think. The very violent revenge

thriller that is Rolling Thunder from 1977, I think.

Yeah, I think. That was one of his.

Main. Kind of rake out film rules

because like before that there was a lot of sort of that guy

kind of stuff. He also played Gary Gilmore, the

American serial killer who was killed by firing squad in the

film Executional Song, which is pretty fucking cool.

Another weird. Credit you had was just before

this. So while Harrison Ford was

making Tommy Lee Jones was in JFK as Clair Shaw and his

character and that is unhinged. Yes, very very big, very big

performance, yeah, he gives him that.

So, yeah, tremendous though. Yeah, he was also.

Tom Lee Jones was also pretty unhinged as Harvey 2 faced Dent

in Yeah, in in the Batman film that we all kind of forget about

until we remember it just there, you know, Batman, Batman and.

Robin, was he in Batman? Robin.

No, it was he. Batman Forever.

It was Batman Forever, yeah. What?

Do we think of as performance? As two face do, do we do we have

an opinion? Because I remember a lot of

people hated it. I loved it, I think as a kid,

child. Yeah, I really loved that.

Film as a kid, so that's. The Val Kilmer Batman with Yeah,

obviously that's the Riddler is in that one as well.

Yeah. And and two faced.

That's the two big main bad guys in that one.

Yeah. That's great.

Isn't Nicole Kisman as the as the psychologist he falls in

love with? Yeah, yeah, great.

As the. One has all the cutaway shots.

Of bats flagged directly. Towards the camera, at least

those ones, yeah, yeah, it actually ruled it and.

And and in fact, the Cos Chris O'Donnell playing Robin as well

And and and and and and is that the one with the do you hang

around in a lot of Baker bars? Bruce Lane?

Yes, I think it is. And that's I'm looking for

something that says really Dad? Loves love Tommy Lee.

Jones, What a guy. Brilliantly cast in the film.

Like I said, we'll go on to see him in a chicken suits in in the

sequel. Oh wild.

Yeah. Yeah.

Ron Dean. I wasn't aware that he'd

actually recently passed away so it's kind of dug into him a bit

there. Yeah.

It's it's gone down was Ron. Dean, 1930. 8/20/25 here October

25 Yeah, passed away. Yeah, I saw him on the

immemorial, but the actors, Yeah, last night, so.

So, so his, his last performance was in Chicago PD and I know you

kind of Chicago PD Max, yes, we call, we call it the one.

Chicago, The one Chicago family. Over there on MB.

Yeah, he was. He was also in.

Chicago Fire as well. He was in three episodes of

Chicago Fire. He was in one episode of Chicago

PD. That'll be right across the

river. Yeah, but this guy has.

No, he's actually played two different characters.

He played Ray Sharansky in Chicago PD and James Horitzky.

So his whole thing is playing Chicago Polish guys.

Yeah, I am just. Going to say that right now.

Just looking at his like previous roles and stuff, he's

he's he's played a lot of guys with Ski in the name.

He plays a guy called Kowalski in the film The Big Score, 1983.

Brilliant. He's there.

He's. He's.

He's perhaps one of these guys. The casting directors say he he

has a pleasing, he has a pleasingly Eastern seaboard

Slavic expression, I guess what could be made to have one.

So yeah, what? What a.

What a. Dude, he was in the Guardian.

The Top Gun, The Coast Guard. Swimmers first.

Swimmers. Yeah, that.

That I will still fight. In the streets for something

that's a fucking good film, but I don't care.

I love that I want to put it on a list but it's.

Totally not. It's I'm not something like.

It's not from a. British fucking class and it's

also got safeguard A tolerable performance by.

Ashton. Kutcher.

It's actually Ashton Kutcher. Yeah, that's actually tolerable.

Ashton Kutcher performance. Yeah, that's about as.

Much as I just give it. Yeah, it's yeah.

Yeah, Kevin Costner, of course. There's there's good innings,

that guy who was in Banda Brothers and that doesn't mean

no return, that guy who was one of.

The other instructors. The guy, yeah, he's one of the

instructors. He's he's really good.

Yeah, I'll tell you. What So Ron Dean?

Was also in Chicago. Hope.

Oh cool. He, he, he really.

Is incredibly Chicago. He was.

He was. He was in a.

Film called Chicago Cab playing old snack trucker.

Fucking brilliant. This is Sky.

Absolutely rules. Was he an ER by any chance as.

Well, it was an ER. Playing a character.

Called Uncle Joey. He was in the TV series early

edition quite a lot. 17 episodes.

He was a regular. I'm not sure he was a Frazier in

three. Episodes.

Did he buy any he played? Someone called Frank.

Was that one of Frasier's dad's cop buddies by any chance?

Oh, it's gonna be. It's gonna.

Be yes I've. Just realised.

We've forgotten. To mention that Tommy Lee Jones

was in Newcastle, mentioned Stormy Monday.

What an absolute guy Ron Dean was.

What a Stella, Stella, that guy. He's been in everything.

I love it. Acting is another conduit.

That we've done more than once. Yeah, the the TV show Frasier

has also given also given us Sela Ward, who is Helen the the

suddenly do a lot with his wife of Richard Kimble.

Yeah. The actress is still not she.

She was an Independence Day researcher.

Gone Girl. She's the woman who gives the TV

interview and Gone Girl to to Ben Affleck's character.

I think obviously she's in this, she's in the remake of doing

dancing. She's in a she's in a bunch of

TV, but she's also was Frasier's girlfriend in an episode as

well. I've always felt about fucking

wild how we had a good new. Girlfriend every episode and

fucked it up, right. It was amazing, Yeah.

Incredible, incredible show. It's also worth pointing out,

speaking about the Guardian, she was in the guardian.

She's the she's barried to Kevin Costner in it and they separate.

That's what it is. The Guardian for all it's a

good. Film is also an incredibly

divorced man film. Oh, big time it is.

So divorced that film. It is incredibly divorced.

It's good as fuck, but God damn is that film divorced.

It's sad, isn't it? Because.

The. The the moral of that story as

well is like, if you're going to get divorced, you might as well

die. You might as well fucking.

Die. At sea, but then be be

remembered as possibly some kind of ghost that stays with the

people who were almost drowning and shit when it goes.

There's a little bit of magical realism in the last like few

beats beautiful. Have you seen?

The film The Guardian. I have never seen the Guardian.

Nor am I divorced. Nor do I plan on dying at sea

anytime soon. Cool, right.

Julianne Moore, Yes, right. Yeah.

Sorry, casting. OK, I'll tell you what, some of

these people are really famous actors.

We don't need to go for their entire.

Oh, yeah, I will. I will say, I will say Julianne

Moore, who plays a very small role in this movie.

Yeah. Was also obviously does an

incredible gangbusters performance in in Paul Thomas

Anderson's Magnolia where she has that one of the old timer

crash outs in the pharmacy. You see, you call me lady.

I give these things to you. Are you?

I give these things to call me lady Suck.

My God. Hey, it's hey, it's hey, it's my

house. I've deafened my back.

Hey, hey, it's that scene. That that other film podcast

references all the time. All the time.

Yeah, Call me lady. My God.

Incredible. Yeah, Joy pants in.

Joey Pants, Joey. Pants, right.

So he does a really good role in Wonder Man, which is currently

on Disney. Yeah.

Plus at the minute it's the latest Marvel show about a

couple of actors. One of them is superpowered and

doesn't doesn't want to be, and the one is investigating him.

But Joey Pantsolano is in two episodes and he plays himself

and it's hilarious. So he lives.

He lives in this amazing. House.

Which is like, because the whole the one of the gags is that he

got really involved in like the property market when he first

made his first money. It is now obscenely rich.

And he and he has this incredible house, which has like

like a skylight that you open with a remote control to feed

lights to a beautiful tree in his living room.

But also all the walls of his house are covered in posters for

baby's day out. That sounds incredibly.

Dope, it's so good, he said. He's.

Absolutely. Hilarious in it, yeah, he

absolutely takes the piss out himself.

There's one bit where the the lead guy who who plays the

Potipus actor who's going to be Wonder Man, he says like, I

can't eat a stake without thinking about you in the

Matrix. Just holy crap.

Just. Like just like stuff 3 pants.

I forgot he was in this film until I put it on and I was

like, oh fuck, 3 Pants is here, thank God.

Get in great. And of course, he's in US

Marshals as well. And he's and, you know, of the

key roles for him, people with the Matrix, people who babies

stay out. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, what's the really good one?

That he's fantastic. Memento as well.

Yeah. I love.

As well how once? Again, this this this film seems

like pulled together a lot of people who've done some

fantastic kind of that guy work. Joey Pants.

He's he's been in MASH. He was in the spin off Trapper

John, MD. He was in the Hill Street Blues.

Heart. The heart.

Holy crap. Man, and he was in right an

episode of Highlander the TV series.

This I think is our first Highlander the TV series

crossover in custody we've had so far.

It was in one episode he plays someone called Doctor Wilder.

I think this might have been in the point when the Highlander TV

series started filming in Canada after like.

Transition from. Duncan the Clouds, this cool

dude who lives on a houseboat in Paris and totally folks and

doors to like wine receptions and shit.

And then I think like the Canadian end of the production

wanted to move to Canada. So he goes, he opens the gym.

There's a fucking like boxing gym, but it's like fucking good

show, man. But yeah, so.

Isn't so, so much stuff, man. He's an absolute that guy.

And then like bang, he's in, he's in the Fugitive.

So he he goes like a so a year before he's in the fugitive,

he's doing a bit part as Doctor Wilder and Hailand are the TV

series fucking amazing. Yeah, I've just seen babies D.

Out There 6. .2 stars in 1994 again and and NYPD Blue.

He had an uncredited appearance in Congo.

Wow. I don't know if I want to add

that to the. Lists.

I don't know if is is a good enough biotech, Probably isn't

is Congo. The one that has Laura Linney in

it shooting a gun, That Congo's one of the big white.

Apes. Yes, yes, yeah, Laura is not. 1

Yet Laura is. There she shoots a thing in a

volcano. Kills all the apes.

That's on fire. Yeah.

We should watch that. Yeah, maybe we should.

I don't know, but let's watch. You can see.

Yeah. Yeah, let's.

Just check it out because it's not the only biotech gone wrong.

Kind of kind of big, big pharma commerce bad kind of thing.

But also but but also but but. Also it might have.

Fucking ruled. I mean it ruled when I was 12,

right? That was the dopest thing ever.

But when I was like but but. A but a fucking ban?

And it may not be good now. I think some of the effect.

Shots might not have aged. Very well should we talk about.

Some of the people who are. Below the line a little bit,

Absolutely. Andreas with Andreas Katsulas.

What a career. What a guy.

Guitar in double on five. Yeah.

Yeah. So I've got.

I've got to. Tell you right.

Growing up, I wasn't a big bubble on five head.

I don't know if this is, I don't know if this is a thing, but to

me it felt very much like you're a Babylon 5 head or you're a

TNG, maybe DS Deep Space 9 head. And I was, I was definitely on

the Star Trek side of the I think I was as.

Well, yeah, actually I was more. Firmly on the space above and

beyond sight who only had one fucking season, mate.

But come on, I think we've talked about that on the pod.

Before the hyper military, not colonial marines but like United

States Marines space. Of year as RA, I mean my main.

Beef about that. Is it's like the film came out

when America wasn't embroiled in a series of forever wars.

And if it waited a couple of years, I would have run like 17

seasons, Yeah, basically generation.

Killing. Spec Moto as fuck, so yeah.

Yeah, he was, he was. He was Gakkar in Babylon Five.

He was in Alien Nation. His final rule was doing was

doing voice work in Tom Clancy's been a sell double agent 2006

because everything comes back to Tom Clancy.

But yeah, this, this guy's done so much alien guy stuff.

He's Alien Max in Babylon 5, Alien Max in Star Trek, and a

prize Star Trek TNG. He was in the most generically

titled police movie ever, New York Car.

What? The hell I am really.

Sorry, this is like a fucking Bojack Horseman joke and he look

into this right the hell now. Brace, a Japanese detective.

Illegally. Residing in the US, finds

himself blackmailed by the NYPD internal force and sent

undercover to break a rig of Asian gun dealers.

Ah, it is a Japanese film, I think.

I'm not sure, but that's what the New York cockpit is.

An alluring title, an absolute I top cast of.

This film Mira Sorvino is in it. She's the most recognisable

person by. Anyway, getting back to the man,

Mira Sorvino is a good, like a good.

Kind of horseman level actor. She is she.

Is actually kind of Bojack. Boxing Place.

Herself famous actress Mira Sorvino.

Yeah, but like Zach, Braff is famous actor Zach.

Braff in it. I love how we get said killed

and. Cannibalised in that show and.

Steaman's character actors Margaret Martin.

So Katsulis's first. Film was a film called OK Pal,

which is like the best way to like dismiss of the end a text

message conversation with someone who's pissing you off.

So that's pretty class. And again, just fantastic that

guy work. He was an equaliser on TV

Mancuso, FBI, Jake and the Fat Man ATV series that I didn't

think exist that I thought it was like a joke title.

And as I said, Alien nation got shot on that.

He was in the film Communion as well, that mind bending Whitley

Strieber in an abduction film. And he was in an episode of

Millennium too. And anyone who has been an

episode of Millennium fucking rules in my opinion.

OK by me. You're OK.

You're OK. Yeah, I'd sit on my table

anytime, man. Break bread with anybody who was

in Millennium every day of the week and twice on Sundays, or

the guy I'd like to. Volunteer.

Kirsten Nelson to this list of people should she has a really

short role in this. She plays Betty who is she works

at a hospital basically she's got red hair in this so you

don't you don't you don't recognise her straight away, but

she is famous for being Karen Vick the the chief of police in

in Santa Barbara in psych supporting movies.

She's got a very small role in the world in 2005.

Her other big credit for me. I mean she's didn't lose the

stuff right. This is other Miss and Bob's

NCIS, all that kind of thing. No one is that There's an

episode of The West Wing at the end of Season 2 called 2

Cathedral is the episode where Miss Landingham died in a car

accident. Yeah, and President Bartlett has

to make the decision whether or not he's going to announce to

the press that he's running for re election and also that he had

and he has an incredible seat where he's like in the in the in

the National Cathedral and he's swearing at God in Latin.

He stubs the cigarette out on the floor.

And it's like it's one of those epic scenes that you always see

in stuff. But that's that episode was like

tools and flashback as well. So like to Jed Bartlett's early

beginnings when he's at a boys school and his dad's headmaster

and he's had a day and he's one friend works as an administrator

at the school. And it's Mrs Lantingham and

she's played in her young form by Kirsten Nelson.

And she does an amazing perform. So some of the one of the best

scenes of that entire show is played by an actor who comes in,

does like one, one rule as a as a flashback to an existing

character and like, steals it. She's great.

Amazing. Yeah.

Really cool. So I.

Want to give her a shout out? Definitely Jane Lynch, I think.

Needs a shout out. She definitely does.

Yeah, I'm sure she brought that. Badge from home and it totally

works. Yeah, it totally works.

She's a great comedic actress. She's.

Done loads of great stuff lately.

Only met her in the building. She's she's done.

She was in a mighty wind. She's one of those, you know,

Christopher Guest largely improvised films with like, you

know, Catherine O'Hara and Eugene Levy and all that.

She, she did that one. That's the one about the folk

singers and stuff. She's really good at that.

She's done. Obviously I think a lot of

people in our generation, and maybe even Sonia's generation,

will recognise Glee. Do you remember Glee?

Right, OK, blinks in. Zuma.

She's she's. Still like a wedge?

Of of voice worker as well, but she's cool on this.

There was a bit of trivia that was that they were gonna, in the

original screenplay, they were trying to kind of ham up a

potential love interest between her character in in Kimballs.

And then they kind of realised it's probably quite bad taste

because his wife's just been murdered and he's trying to seek

justice for that. And I think they've like part of

the decision making process to pivot her in the other direction

was like, we'll put a load of badges on her and the AIDS

ribbon and we'll just kind of really kind of like, certainly

imply that she might not be straight.

Yeah. So they're allowed to be.

Pals. Yeah, and and it's like.

Fucking hell, a romance subplot would have absolutely busted

this. Film would.

Have not been They would have derailed it like the train.

At the start, yeah. It's, it's like, you know what?

He. Saying about she just, like,

gets in the car, that Lady that picked him up.

And that's where the film ends because they just like, Nash off

and he like, changes his identity and like, the fuck off

to Canada and he gets a good job at some, like, some like,

hospital there. And that's like the romance side

of the film. Jesus.

Like, no, it would have been ruined by a romantic subplot

between him and Jane Lynch's character.

Yeah, Richard Real. Yeah, shit.

Still incredibly. Active, right?

OK, this guy, this guy fucking works, right?

This guy's credits on IMDb, for a start.

He's in 12 projects listed as upcoming, 12 of them 12 his.

Previous. Credits of 427, Rolls 678.

910-1111 Roles in 2023 alone. Holy crap, 400.

One of those. Yeah, one of those was Barry.

And he plays a prison. Warden yes, to be a call back to

this because Bill here is a huge movie head and I I thought

right, who who I want to play in my piece of shit rubbish prison

Warden and then he gets Barry killed.

Oh, I know the guy who got the fuck up Richard Kimball killed.

Fantastic, I can get in. So.

Good, I I want. To have a quick look at the.

Start this guy's creaxel. I've seen.

Well, this takes ages to Scroll down.

Incredible, man. Yeah.

I'm going to hit right? Into the 90s and see what he's.

Doing at. This this sort of period, He's

isn't a film called He's. Isn't a film called from 1978 to

the Other Side of Hell playing a character called Tattooed Man?

This sounds fucking dope. Some of these movies are all

great. Tales isn't.

A film called Nasty Boy. Nasty Boys.

I love it. Nasty Boys, Nasty.

Voice. Holy shit the actually the last

Side of hell sounds fucking badass.

A disturbed but highly intelligent man is sent to a

criminally insane hospital to serve time and rehabilitate, but

when he arrives he discovers it's in fact a closed world

where brutality is an everyday occurrence.

Oh this sounds fucking mental. Some of these titles are

absolutely brilliant. Oh my God.

He was in Quantum Leap. He was in the film Glory as a

Cornermaster. He was in Fear and Loathing in

Las Vegas. What just Bigelow male?

Gigolo and casino and office space or some of his like you

know more high profile ones office business fantastic he was

he was in a film called crash. .0 that has 3.4 stars.

I have to see what this films about a.

Scientist recovers a. Powerful weaponry created by

inventor Nikola Tesla in the early 20th century.

Now the plane carrying the device that a desperate group of

passengers crashes in the Canadian mountains.

The battle to survive begins. It looks like this film was also

known as extreme limits. This is sounds like someone like

span the wheel of Clive Cussler plots didn't there Joe.

And that's what we should do. Before we move on, Joe and

Krabbe. Yeah.

Plays the the the the the the the bad guy over credits

includes a 1989 film adaptation of the Punisher that I've just

found out exists and it's no Punisher front castle.

Yeah, it's, it's it's. It's it's not great.

He's a big one, the. Living daylights Bond the Bond

movie. Great movie.

The the first two of the Dalton Bond Yeah, so probably isn't got

a fair shake. Oh, he's also in Juice Piccolo

European gigolo. So we've got another juice

Piccolo mentioned that. What's the second?

Say that twice that, yeah. Yeah, he's in Miami Vice.

Go on through, I love the Dutch. Language.

But Hitler, dude. What's next?

Hitler. Dude.

But no, he was. In that incredibly fucking

doomed TV miniseries, World War Three that were talked about in

one of our earliest episodes were mentioned in Meteor.

Yeah, I think he plays one of the one of the bad Soviet guys,

Colonel Alexander Vorachin. But yeah, of course, this

character in Miami Vice was called Klaus Hertzog.

That's brilliant. The weapons free.

Section the guns. The the gunfight and the weapons

handling and stuff. Indeed I.

Really love how of course. You've you've got like Marshall

has has his back backup pistol because because every because

every badass lawman needs a backup pistol.

But I really like how Gerard has Glock 22 as a sidearm and his

backup is another fucking additional Glock 22 in a little

Fanny pack. Absolutely love that.

But like a kind of like using using like armouring and

firearms as a storytelling kind of piece.

I like that he's like a typical boomer, but he's not using a

fucking cool 1911, right? Like he's like he's he's like a

legit boomer aged guy, but he's embraced the Glock.

He's embraced modernity and double stacked magazines.

And he in in the sequel, he thins Robert Downey Junior out

for his choice of weapon and tells we should get a Glock

instead, which I really like. It does, yeah, I think.

Yeah, we'll talk about that when we do US Marshals, I think.

Yeah, Boy, your boy. Your boy.

Oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy.

The house raid scene I absolutely love, just like of

the kind of violence of action when they go in and the US

Marshall team with way the look and the way the move.

If you showed it to someone out of context, it looks like a home

invasion. And I love that excess class.

And it's like, it is a very like, it's violence of action at

stake, surprise, it's aggression.

And I love the bit when he kind of gets himself round and

outflanks the guy and just straight up fucking dooms him as

far as weapon choices and weapon usage and stuff.

It's another film where a Heckler and cock rifle is used

by a cunt. Because there is a Heckler and

cock. HK 91 which is the civilian

version of the G3 which I imagine all the German boomers

idolise like but. Yeah, so there's so.

There's the HK 91, which is a civilian version of the G3.

As I said, I imagine your your your your German boomers

probably have the same opinion of that as ours do of the SLR,

the FN file. Big bullet son.

Well. Let me put it this way, there's.

1. Rifle we still keep in service

and use it for replenishment at sea.

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would go I love. The person that she bullshit.

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love. It yeah, it's gonna put all my

pants. Yeah, so, so, so.

There's some cool. Sick.

You've been some fucking cool guns in it.

We are getting close to the end and I want to do some shit

before we completely crash out and very, very quickly before

you do that. Yeah, I know.

I'm. Playing with fire here because

your. Laptop, but but I was just

saying, I was just thinking we probably could have a bit of a

bingo card for stuff you say about weapons on this podcast

like big bullet sons on there, big bullets and 9:00.

Mil kills the body 4. 545 the soul, just just.

Just. All the gun range food memes

that are reference, yeah, but you?

Absolutely. And and and.

Now we'll have. Hector and cock make rifles for

cunts. Brilliant.

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glasses. Three stars is your.

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Increasingly convinced movies have never gotten better than

this. That's more like it.

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containment area of this movie is straight cheeks and ruined

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OK, I'm going to have to fucking read this I.

Think I think that's a great one when the notes from the Peeler

gallery on and since Hitman was mentioned it's the PS. 2 video

game test gun Oh. Yeah, yeah.

We'll make it. If we are, we are going.

To make a game out of this film, it doesn't need to be APS 2

video game could be anything, yeah.

How are we going to do it? I.

Think if I was playing a video game of this.

You are AUS Marshall. You are AUS Deputy US Marshall.

You're not one of the main 4 from the movie because you get

to hang out with those occasionally in the game, right?

Yeah, you actually probably have to, Right.

Tommy Lee James is too busy, OK? And they couldn't get his voice

for the game. OK, So, and this is APS 2 game.

What you are doing is you are riding in a car with Cosmo

Renfro. Yes.

Voice to voice by Joey Pants. Yes.

And he is your. Guide.

Through your and you're a rookie US Marshall who's just been like

to conduct to their squad to like learn, learn your ropes.

And each level of the game is a different target who has like

either fled on their way to the fucking courthouse, they've gone

out or they've escaped like an arraignment or they're or like

they've got away from like a fucking local county gaol some

some bullshit like that. And it's your job.

So like track them down and what you do is you have to like look

through like you've got some documents about the people.

So you have to look, look down who they are and you're given

like an option of like various locations you can search.

And it's a bit like where you're like driving around and open and

open like plan city. But when you eventually find

them, it kind of turns into like an on rails kind of level.

And there'll be like a search, like through a fucking, I don't

know, a valley or something. And there'll be like scripted

bits that happen like a like a fucking logging van crashes and

logs go everywhere And you've got to jump past all the logs,

keep chasing the guy and oh, no, he's got away in a canoe.

And you've got to, you've got to like get into a canoe and like

chase into the Rapids and then like, oh, that kind of shit.

And then eventually like has like parkour in it and all that

kind of stuff because it's made around the turn of the century,

because it's obviously not because the PS2 came out much

later. So there's there's parkour in

it. And yeah.

And then. Right.

Yeah, that's exactly where it is.

It's a contender for AGTA game, but it's like fundamentally

different to it in a way that does not help.

Not like sleeping dogs, which fucking rules.

Yeah. It's like that kind of old

thing. And then and then you're like

big boss, you're like, I don't know how it works in the US

Marshals, but like you're fucking district manager.

It's like Tommy Lee Jones, but it's a guy.

Doing a Tommy Lee Jones impression, he's much older,

he's much more senior and he gives you like he gives like he

does like the mission briefs at the start, but Joey pants rides

in the car with you and he's like the Roman Bellic like and

he like you get a call on your phone and it's like it's like,

hey. Like it's it's your pal.

Cosmo Renfro, come and meet me in the courthouse.

We've got another. Runner, we got a Gopher and like

Jesus Christ and. It'll be a mission.

Set in the sewers and it'll be like, oh, God, yeah.

Awful. Like, it starts off like, really

for Zig stuff like, you have to find out whose girlfriend is.

And you go to the girlfriend's house and there he is.

And like, by the end of it, you're like, in a hot air

balloon chase. That's it.

That's my that's. My game of the.

Future. And every time you mess up.

Tommy Lee Jones sends you to get a doughnut with sprinkles on it.

I don't really have anything to add to that, to be honest.

That was quite graphic and quite entertaining.

Very much. I mean, I suppose.

The other side you. Could take is you could be the

Richard Kimble, you could be like the haunted and then you've

got to like escape from police. But that's just like being on

GTA with a wanted level, isn't it?

Yeah, yeah. I don't know how you use I.

Don't know how. Else you'd do it unless you'd be

like a really like plot driven on rails, kind of like

experience, like a first person kind of experience.

It's more like a. More like an adventure game like

one of those like. FMV like movie clip ones where

you go to like you basically just do like perfunctory puzzles

to unlock the story and it's just a bit rubbish.

It's a bit abstract like a puzzle game, like a like a 3DS

brain trainer type puzzle game where you're like you've got to

solve the word jumble and then you find and then like you solve

the word jumble and it's like it's the one on man's name is

this. And then, you know, you go to

the next place and it's like the fucking the hotel opens like

right, And it's like it's like, oh, it's like Phoenix white,

like objection, you know, and it's like you switch the.

Samples and you have to like. Prove it like and then shit.

That's the. That's the other option I think

is you could. Be like a sort of a Phoenix

Royce type experience, but you're you're Richard Kimble

trying to prove your instance. That's brilliant.

I think that I think. I think there's there's, there's

no way that this could be anything but like a fucking.

Really. Really good idea for a video

game and only a picture the people immediately because it's

the best film ever made and we'll have to start approaching

all the big all the big all the big video game houses for these

concepts, man yeah, no fucking I would I would love to have seen

like a kind of like a gun. I don't want to like talk about

these lock like like this point and click adventure kind of

thing. That would be really fucking.

Cool. I'm not.

Doing those things, it would be really good like FMV game, a big

full motion game because because.

This case wouldn't but. It would be a really fucking

cool like this point, like advanced track kind of thing,

like like the first Dune video game, you know, the first

before, yeah. Before we became like an RCS.

Yeah, yeah, which what a massive.

Genre switch between sequels, by the way, the fact that it was

called Dune 2 as well, so they literally leapt from that to

that. Other option is you could do

like an XCOM style tactical game, like a turn based tactical

thing, which I think would be kind of cool.

But then again, like these days you got things like door kickers

and stuff that are kind of doing that obviously, but we had

abstract concepts and not like Manhunter that I think could

birth 1000. Weird video game spin offs,

whatever really weird 1 you could do.

I have a really. Horrible idea right now.

Oh. Please tell me.

This. Made mic noises.

So you know how there's like tools for PlayStation so you can

do physical stuff? You mean like peripherals like

the? You.

Could do sort of exercise. Related stuff.

All right, you have to. To sort of jump.

Through levels, but there there's actual jumping rules and

all that sort of thing. OK.

Yeah, yes. Got you?

Thought you were. Talking about telly dildonics or

something there I was like mom picked me up upscares.

Yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah, like you said, the

simulator, you got to run away. You got to run away from, Yeah,

just like a fucking PlayStation. Five VR on the run simulator

that open world. That scene where he hits him

with a metal bar and you're just standing there in the living

room living. Room mode around.

Fuck yeah, it's like. Beat Sabre, but instead of just.

Like waving a lightsaber on jaw violently beating a Dutchman.

I think this. Is.

No, but he's but he's really asking of the violence.

He's like, give me Ian. Clap, Papa.

Oh, that's a bit of weird. Hello.

Fans in the Netherlands. By the way, we love you very

much. If you ain't Dutch, you ain't

much. But I once I once ratted like a

Dutch guy or a night out with your castle and he gans.

I'm I'm from the Netherlands. Cool Madigan's.

If you ain't Dutch, you ain't much.

OK pal, Cool. Sweet who do, but no I.

Love that. I love that but.

I would, but actually Losania. You fucking nailed that.

I would love this game. Would be a weird kind of crazy

VR running away from the Marshalls.

Almost like survival kind of game, but with like physical

exertion and shit that sounds really fucking cool.

Just about to do. Like you come home and have like

been out for a few beers and like your sight like put on the

old VR mask and just to be Richard Kimble thing.

And then like your significant other comes home and you've just

trashed the fucking house running rounded you little VR

shit. Just like fuck, just just is he

getting farty fucking into? That's brilliant.

I love it. You could do, you could do like,

you know, like those, those, those cooking games where you

have like a load of different recipes all at the same time.

You've got to run around the kitchen trying to play them all

up. You could do that, but like

you're, you're dressed as a janitor and you're just doing

triage and patience in the busy hotel lobby.

But you but you've got to do that whilst whilst also avoiding

protection from Julianne Moore, who's looking around and has

like a vision cone. I could be like just like a

janitor work simulator. Basically.

I think we're nearly the end this.

Is. This is this film.

Pro anti saye doesn't doesn't talk about it.

It's indifferent. I think it's it's very pro the.

Federal government, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's

pro the company. Yeah, to to quote Durant, it

doesn't. Care it doesn't care it.

Does not. Care.

It does not care. OK, what?

Are we at the end? Have we got anything else?

I was going to say one. I was going to say one thing,

which is the egregious oversell of the military.

Just so complex. Yes, please.

Yeah. OK.

So. In the scene where?

Your boy Richard Kimball is on the pay phone talking to his

lawyer, which gets intercepted by the US Marshals.

They use lots of very clever trickeries to isolate different

parts of the core and the bit that and that all kind of makes

sense to me. You can, you can isolate the

sound of the train probably because of the the death, like

the frequency that the bat and sounds coming in at, which is

probably very in the very high reaches, like, you know,

megahertz. The bit that didn't work for me

is they, they try and isolate the voice of the announcer over

the tunnelling system. Yeah, while Richard Kimball's

speaking and they do it enough that they can hear what he's

saying. Yeah.

And that doesn't work for me because the human voice would

have been at the same sort of frequency on both recordings.

So they wouldn't you wouldn't be able to isolate one from the

other. Yeah.

That was that was it. That was just nerdy, nerdy sound

engineering shit. It's super convenient.

Super. Convenient.

I meant to think of like how just like a few years later the

the pilot episode of the British techno thriller TV series Bugs

did something very similar. Bugs someone very similar with a

guy Bugs. Bugs mentioned when a guy gets

shot. Jessie pencil.

Mentioned but. Marcus when when when when a guy

gets shot at a station in in big London town and they isolate the

sound to work out which station it's out or something no or

whatever. So it's like a really, really

similar kind of thing. This guy on the phone or

somebody gets shot the isolate the sound and shit.

So a lot of bugs. Had so much promise in its

first. Episode and then it just went

really fucking stupid really quickly.

And every episode out of the Jesse birds all be like Upshot

and kidnapped and stuff like that.

There's like a multi part series.

About a sentient computer called Cyberax, which in the first

episode of its arc is like a little baby's face and it's like

doesn't know what it's doing. And then when it grows up and

becomes evil, it turns into like, it looks like some sort of

robotic dog avatar with like in 3D that like chomps with like a

cyber accident is coming for you.

And it's just like, wow, Biggest downgrade in history was you

growing up Cyber X. You were really genuinely quite

settling in the first one. Yeah.

Wow. Yeah, I I did a bugs rewatch

about 10 years ago, which is 20 years later than it should have

been. Yeah, I still think.

The first apparel length episode was was was would probably stand

up a little bit of a Washington now with a few beers in it.

But I mean I forget myself big gassed up and exciting for at

first like, but I just think about like that like ridiculous

like because it's ATV show set and filmed in the UK.

So it kind of beggars belief to have like a fucking dogfight

between two helicopters, but to manage this with just that

Australian bloke hanging out the window with his fucking 357

Magnum, just fucking shooting at the other helicopter until it

crashes us. It's all very silly.

Yeah. Craig McLaughlin.

That's that's his name, Craig McLaughlin.

Brilliant. I remember free slag.

In in the credits, he said, jumping over something on a dirt

bike and a SEC. That's the guy who does the

physical stuff because Jesse Birdsall's too busy getting put

inside wardrobes and kidnapped and shit.

Brilliant. Ed Ross.

Alex and Beckett from High tech crime fighting team who work for

the mysterious secretive Bureau 2.

Brilliant. I love her looks.

Awesome. Yeah.

Fuck yeah, we've. Alienated we've.

Alienated the German for. Something that is incredible.

Yeah. Yeah, it is a.

Fucking shock in the English build.

Yeah, cool. Right.

That's taking us to the end. A bit of an incredible episode

of clearing Present dudes. An episode riddled with

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And then? And then?

The. Following week, we have our next

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We've skipped the crap one that came second because.

It is. The birthdays of Michelle

Monaghan and Keri Russell, who are both in that movie and they

share a birthday, the same birthday in their lives.

I think it's their 50th birthday each.

So that's wonderful. So yeah, we're that'll be the

next mainline episode in two weeks time.

Until then, we have been, yeah. Present.

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I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry.

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