Goncharov (1973)

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where the knives smile before they cut.

I am Mike Dunbar. I'm joined as always by Rory

James O'Toole. Hello and Sonia Bjorkson.

Hello everyone. Tonight we are diving deep into

our beloved Jello adjacent cinema, an Italian film with a

rare Hollywood pedigree, 1973's Goncharov.

Yes, tonight we are going to Gaslight, Gatekeeper, Gilbos and

Goncharov. First let me remind you to like

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Come back in a couple of hours. Cool.

Right, guys, before I get into the plot stops, like what's your

first impressions in this film? What's not the love?

Well, we're we're obviously still all waiting for Ghansharov

to I have to use the sentence. Definitely one of the movies of

all time, at least initially. Also great form for for someone

not like me who has a tendency to sometimes be a bit of a

menswear guy. Thoroughly enjoyable.

Oh, sure. It's tremendously, totally right

there. This is one of the horniest

films imaginable yet also not because there is a massive

amount of sexual tension between people that the kind of

narrative would just. It would be, if you know what I

mean, It's like Ginsharov and Katya, you know, there is no

chemistry between them. Yeah.

They are meant to be the romantic leads.

Yeah. Yeah.

But because they are off on the road, romantic side quests as

Sunny said, costumes amazing, tensions just fantastic through

the whole thing. Literally I think civil shabbats

one of our one of our top 2 or top three big screen rules.

Honestly the tension between her and Sophia Loren is just mental.

It's like. Yeah, this is.

This is great for her, isn't it? Yeah, this is like quite early

in her career. This is like around sort of was

it 1973? So but she's just done the last

picture show in 71, doesn't she? So she's come off the back of

that obviously pre taxi driver. So yeah, she's on the rise.

Really good time for her. Hey, Shall shall I put the

trailer on and then we'll come back and we'll go through it

properly? You are a time bomb.

Dig, dig. Digging.

And I have no intention of being.

Around for the boom. And now you should know I could

have killed you when I walked through the door.

Cool, right? So Goncharov 1973 is an Italian

American Co produced art house crime filler written by maybe

directed by Matteos Scheczy, stylized in the credits, really

weird. Produced by Dominico Pocacci, an

executive produced but also maybe directed by Martin

Scorsese. And that was maybe an on de

plume. I couldn't find a lot of detail

about that. There's a lot of like

conflicting information online. But either way, he was

incredibly involved in the production.

Starring Robert De Niro as the eponymous Celestroniero

Koncharov and Co. Starring A stacked cast

including Cybil Shepherd, Al Pacino, Harvey Katel, Gene

Hackman, John Kazale, Sofia Loren, an incredibly

unaccredited Linda Carr. We'll get into that in a bit.

Yeah, wow. Film follows the eponymous

Koncharov, a crime boss from Moscow looking to expand his

empire by coming back to maybe Naples with his wife, who is a

Cybil Shepherd, and he intends to set up his own rival criminal

empire against the Neapolitan mafia.

As you mentioned, Rory, the film's pretty Derek.

It's time for showing some queer love stories.

So there's a we'll get into it. But there's a there's a thing

between Harvey Cattell and and Robert De Niro.

There's a thing between Sapira Renn and Cybil Shepherd.

There's a thing between John Kazali and everybody.

John Kazali, but. Really.

Really. Just there like, you know, Yeah,

he wants. He's a very deeply lonely person

and he's trying to collect with everybody here can.

Yeah, Really, really, really random.

The film's production was tumultuous for numerous issues

that I'm sure we'll discuss in in due course regarding like

distribution rights, conflicting filming projects for the other

lead actors. Yeah, just an absolute mess.

Sensitive issues. The Soviet Union, like

government got involved at one point.

So yeah, like film was was more or less lost for a long time.

Got a big resurgence in the 90s. Really weird.

This is a really weird detail. George Lucas started

distributing VHS bootlegs of it. Not like officially, but he was

hosting like showings of it during the 1994 Cannes Film

Festival, like in his hotel, which apparently really pissed

off Quintero Tino really funny. But yeah, so anyway, this year

it is getting a Criterion restoration.

And I think the four hour cuts I don't think is restored, but the

four hour cut is on the disc as well.

And Scorsese, he's been really massively involved in that

because he's massively involved in film restoration generally.

So we're doing that, but we're not, we haven't watched the four

hour cut. We have watched the original two

hour and 18 minute cut, which is enough.

So, so yeah, that's that's my introduction to like what the

film is. Dude, I thought this film barely

made sense, Like, and I don't mean that like in a mean way.

I mean it in the same way that like mean streets doesn't really

make a huge deal of sense to me when I watch it.

There's a lot going on. Is it a character piece?

Is it a thriller? Is it really about the crime?

Is it about the passion? Like I just, I just, there's all

those weird like occurring motifs that seem a bit

heavy-handed now in like our modern view, but at the time

we're probably standard business like the clocks and the

cigarettes and like the music and stuff.

The the clock ticking freaking shower off full kind of motif is

something that it really bangs the drum about a lot.

I mean, it works, It works, but I don't think you could kind of

slip it into a film that was made and like current, yeah, you

cannot actually have you handed clock symbolism and certain

characters wearing a watch and almost every scene but a pivotal

one, that kind of thing and stuff like that, you know?

Yeah, yeah, I took it at Ryan's Field and it's not the first

time we're going to talk about this film in Serpico, which was

being made at the same time. So the.

So both films go out in 1973. Both films were produced in the

summer of 72, right. Albertina was filming both.

That film starts anyway with like a really simple opening

credit, like a black screen, just text on there and like the

wailing of like a a police siren or like an ambulance siren.

You don't know what it is. Turns out it's in an ambulance

because it's it's it's the titular Cyprocal of being like

rushed off spots of being shot in the face.

This is a similar sort of thing where you get like, well, I'll

just start. So Kotorov opens on a on a rain

suit night in Naples and we get like a it's not like steady

calm. It's like handhelds Cam kind of

walking through the narrow streets unlimited by dim St

lights and we get like you get like a view that you got to view

the docks. So that's a recurring movie for

seeing the docks in this film as you like doc creams loom of the

harbour, you get like silhouette against the dark sea.

And then we get like it's all like street noise, not music.

It's all like street noise. And then we get to like a bit of

a montage of like tonnes of clocks, like the clock tower

clock, like people's wristwatches clocks.

There's a clock in a bar and there's like tick.

And sound in the tick from tick and Chorley sound isn't there,

it's. Yeah, it's like, yeah.

And it's it's really like oppressive and train doors

opening. And then we got like the feet

stepping out onto the platform. You get like another shot of

like the clock on the train platform.

And then we get a shot of like a wristwatch, which we're going to

see the same wristwatch. We're going to see it loads.

It's fucking crazy and he's walking in a kind of like

TikTok, TikTok rhythm as well and like like the the gains

obviously right up on the boom magnet here is here his feet and

it's like we get it, man clocks. Blocks.

Yeah. And like, yeah.

And as that's going on, this is this is really confusing.

So there's like, So what we're what we're seeing is control of

getting off a train in Naples, right.

Meanwhile, we're getting like a voice over.

But it's not from control of, it's from, it's from, it's from

Harvey Ketel's character, Andre Didano.

Or you might get called the banker during the movie as well.

And so he's saying like love, truth, power, three things men

spend their whole lives chasing. Some men think if they catch one

of them, the others will follow. But Naples is a city that eats

those kind of men. It doesn't matter where you came

from, if you're rich or poor, doesn't matter if it came here

as a Papa or a king, sooner or later the sooner reminds you of

something. Time always wins since we can

clocks right. The story is about a man who

thought he could have runtime his name was Gunter of for a

while he almost did. And that's, and then we got the

camera like pan up and it's like Rob De Niro there with his

moustache because he's got a moustache in this movie.

You look so fucking cool in this film, man.

Yeah yeah he's like bro, like totally in like 2 of the birds

yeah really, really, really stops you on and then it's like

bumps Gunter of total card yeah, wild.

And then it gets really confusing because then the next

thing you see is like 20 years earlier and it's like 22 kids in

like rags, basically like running around the streets of

like, undisclosed Eastern European location.

I think. I think it's obviously meant to

be like Moscow, but it doesn't. It doesn't say like Moscow 1953.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like 2-2 teenage kids

running for the the alley. One of them's sculpture of the

other one is Andre. We are, I guess, expected to

assume, but it's again, not not not totally clear.

And I don't know if you caught this, but like the the kids who

are playing like the young Gunter of an Andrea, like it's

really it's really randomness. I had a double check, so I

couldn't believe it. One of them is Stanley Tucci

who's like 13 and the one is fuck.

Off. And the other one mate, this is

going to blew a fucking like the one is John Lucas Amo.

This was 13 and they look fuck all like because that which is

why it was so confusing because like what the fuck are he's

doing? How the fuck did they get cast

in this film at that age? That's so weird.

And they get out and I don't know where they filmed this.

They probably filmed in New York, but it's obviously meant

to look like Moscow or something.

Yeah. But they just.

Put like the Russian philtre over the camera.

Yeah, just like it's a bit blue. It's a bit like.

Yeah, it's, it's, it's a bit blue, the founded area, but

there's like whether there's whether there's just some like a

bit more like standing water on the asphalt and stuff and like,

and like there's more broken windows and.

Shit, it was cool. And like, yeah, like I see.

Breath and the fucking stop with the feet and that just to just

to like lay down the whole cool thing.

Yeah, it's just a little strum of a fucking Bala Laker in the

background, but it's like Rush, I felt a replied.

Ambient supplies, that's all. So you get that you don't seem

up close here. It's not it wasn't like I saw

them as like outstanding Tuchy. They're quite far out when I go

and they're just like a kind of classic 70s pushing.

And it's the two kids and like one of them.

I think it's like Rosambo is like running interference with

like a a stall guy at a market. Meanwhile, like Tucci is like

like shoplifting quietly. And then as soon as soon, as

soon as the guy catches them, like they run away.

And there's a whole like, there's no music here, by the

way, which I thought was weird, like I took go so long.

But anyway, yeah, they saw like a chase start.

They like duck into an alleyway. And then we get like the two

kids get stopped because of the guy stood in the alleyway.

And it's this big tall dude who is his name's Ilya.

What's his name? And he laughs at their face

because like, he's obviously like one of the local gang guys.

He's like he's got like a suit on as well.

He looks like together, but he's young as well.

He's got like a like a what looks like a fresh scar on his

face. And he tells the kids like,

like, if you're going to steal, find your own turf, you little

pigs, or, or join a gang. Find your own turf, you little

pigs. I love them, but it's an

absolute bar. And he's like, I recommend, I

recommend getting some employment.

And then like that's it's assumes that they like join a

gang and that's how their life of crime starts and organised

crime anyway, because it would obviously just shoplifting.

So it implies also that they're really close, like they've known

each other a long time as well. It's still not really clear that

like the guy overheard at the beginning of the voice is the

guy who's not being picked like bizarre with 13 year olds.

So I felt that really confusing in my first.

Yeah, right, absolutely. Yeah, it was like, but obviously

I mean straight up it took me a couple of watches to to focus

walkers watches because it takes it took me watching it a couple

of times to fully I think get what was going on with it.

Of course, of course for an autistic may stop it a few times

like identify some guns and some of the kind of more like less

less focused kind of scenes of face interest from the TV.

But yeah I I think I worked it out after 2 watches.

I think. Viewings.

It's, I mean, it's not like Tenet or anything.

It's not like totally mental. Well, Tenet is that bad, but

like there's a lot of interpretation.

Good, odd. Definitely, definitely.

That's the next scene, for example, really, really threw

me. So it cuts back to the present

day, but it's not like the present day.

It's like 1919 years, 11 months, like 30 days and, and 23 hours

because it's, because it's like, it's like, it's like what

happened immediately before Gontarov got off the train

because they're back on the train.

I will say that even that kind of like time timey wimey stuff

doesn't fully disengage her from the film.

It isn't too much for speed bump money watching it.

It's still I think a well put together film, just it's the

chronology of its storytelling. Right at the opening is a bit

weird, but it's not too jarring, you know?

Yeah, yeah, so you get So what it does it just the classic like

cut forward to that presentation, see where they are

now from those humble beginnings.

Gun drops like in the train car. He's he's all suited birds.

He sat next to it like Iya, but you can tell the same guy

because he's all the now, but he's still got the scar.

And they are having like a really kind of perfunctory

conversation about how they're going to set up their permanent

foothold in Naples, particularly the harbours, lucrative

smuggling routes, which is like their big thing is they're doing

like smuggling of like booze and tobacco and maybe arms and

stuff. Doesn't really say yet.

Yeah, like it's kind of like, it's kind of like, like it's a

generic crime set up, isn't it? It's almost as effect in the

storytelling. The actual crimes don't kind of

matter. Yeah, exactly that.

So you kind of get that. So he's like somebody already

owns this town kind of thing. Yeah.

And then as they say that it like cuts to like the other side

of town and we get like our first scene of Al Pacino as

crime boss Mario Ambrosini. Yeah.

This is this is wild. So this is, as I mentioned

earlier on, this is like Al Pacino.

He's done The Godfather. Serbiko is is definitely 73.

So he's shooting that at the same time as he's shooting this,

which is great. Does need some kind of weird

continuity issues with a Pacino where they have to kind of cover

the fact that he's got a beard. Yeah.

So like, all right. So the day is during the

shooting of Serpico. That film was filmed

sequentially, like in the order it happened.

Right. Yeah, got you.

Because it starts with his career as a young New York

Police cop and he's like clean shaven and he just like

undercover work and he gets like a moustache.

And then he goes like full. I don't know how you I was

describe it. He was like full pirate.

He has like big flowy shirts, big beard like wears big hats,

has has an earring, owns a bird like.

He basically turns into that like a guy who's like

chronically undercover from Brooklyn 99, right?

The guy who's like just a total fucking psycho.

The one. Who's going out with Diaz?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just, it's just in

Matsukas's Pimento. Yeah, yeah.

It's fucking brilliant. Yeah, that's what he does.

So you'd already sung us that movie.

So this is a weird one. So the production here, I think

in the in the US, there was some kind of weird deal where it was,

it was distributed through like De Laurentiis and but Serbico

was like actually produced by Dino De Laurentiis.

And he'd already signed up for that.

It's a Sydney Glimet film, 1973. And he already signed up for

that. And he was shooting that

substantially on his contract. And then he had the opportunity

to work on this kind of came in as a super sub because he

already worked with some of the people in this before.

Like, I think he really wanted to work with De Niro, hadn't had

a chance to work with him yet. Obviously he's right high off

like the Godfather coupler and all that kind of stuff.

So he wanted to crime again. Yeah.

So he agrees to do this, but then he has to keep flying

backwards, of course, between New York and then the location

shoots in Naples. And there's some stuff he has to

do in New York in a separate little set with a second

director. Right.

So we we meet Marion Bruschini. He, of course, is another like,

you know, standard crime boss, smart, dressed in his club kind

of thing. He's got an office.

He's you just kind of see him running the place.

And I think he's talking to someone off screen about like

he's heard the word that like Russia's coming for his turf

kind of thing. And that's it.

It's like it's really basic controls gets off the train.

He's talking to Ilya and he talks about his wife.

His wife had already come to Naples.

She's been here for a little while.

He was taking care of business back in like, I guess Moscow

doesn't really say that Ilya. I think he knows Katya.

So I think, I think the idea is a lot of people in the

organisation like obviously know Gun Trove and Katya because like

they're like kind of the royal family sort of thing.

And I think Ilya's known Guntrov obviously since he was like a, a

kid. So he feels he feels emboldened

enough to like give him the real picture, you know, So he says,

like when you stayed behind, you left behind more than you know,

she's too good a woman for you, Guntrov.

I think you know this already. And Guntrov doesn't say

anything. Yeah, I love his lack of

reaction and and then not seeing it's like it's credible.

It's a weird performance, isn't it?

From, from Deniro? He's right.

Very laconic. He doesn't say it very much.

It's it's kind of not like him like he's he's got this dynamism

about him even even in his for one of the better words later

years. Like I think he's fucking

tremendous in the mini series 0 day that came out last year or

the year before. He plays like an ex president of

the United States who gets pulled in to run this like run

this like kind of counterterrorism operation

against this like massive cyber attack thing.

And he's fucking brilliant. It's so good, man.

And it's like this is energy. There's dynamism.

Like he's like he's like threatening a water board some

guy. And it's like he's a

legitimately scary man even as currently age.

And he's dynamic, he's energetic and he's really just laconic in

this film. Like you said, he's that's a

down back performance that that works in an uncanny valley kind

of way because it's like that's De Niro, but it's not.

Our it's a bit like, well, you know what we want to, we want to

of Travis, Travis Bickle, right? Yeah.

Resources is going to come a few years later.

Yeah, yeah. Travis Bickle, though, gets to,

like, explode it into the front, doesn't he?

Yeah, Yeah. And and I don't know if Contra

truly gets to, like, cast off his shackles.

He kind of stays. I don't think he's the same guy

always at the end. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a really flat arc, which is

weird because he's a particular character when actually really,

for me, the the the the real focus of the film is either

either Catcher, right, or either your boy Andre.

Yeah. Yeah, the ones who get the most

kind of fluctuation. I think in the story you only

get a couple of scenes, but I speak, Joe gets more to do I

speak. Joe the fan favourite as well.

Yeah, yeah. Man.

Meeting you from the train station is Andrea Adidano, who

is like obviously they were like street that's together.

Now he's like this refined financial opera.

He's known for the criminal world as the banker US elegant

suit. He's kind of he's he's a mob

accountant who I think the Russian will be already

installed in in the area to kind of get a little land and now

he's and now he's they're going to meet up and stuff.

Obviously that's like the top level story.

What what hasn't kind of been explained yet is that Andre's

already LinkedIn with the Nepalitan mafia and he's already

kind of like, this all happened like before this the film

started. He's already portrayed.

He's already portrayed control like the first time.

Yeah, here, this flips. I mean, I again, I don't like

watching several times to figure out what's going on.

This film like flips and flops several times and Andre

basically betrays everybody at some point.

Really the character. Absolutely mental, man.

It's like this film, kind of. It almost seems like the film

expects you to know a lot about backgrounds of characters and

stuff more than just there was St rats together kind of thing.

The the film kind of expects the viewer to almost confabulate

what's going on and and it's crazy.

It's like it could have done more storytelling.

Yeah. Or it could have just gone in

with none, but instead it almost comes out like, hey, why don't

you make up what you think happened in the past?

Why don't you confabulate it within your head?

Man, what was? Really going on?

What's up with you? Yeah, all that stuff.

It's it's wild. There aren't any.

Yeah. And it's not like forthcoming

with the clues. So like when Gun Trove and Andre

meet, it's really warm. Like he puts him on the arm.

Yeah. Again, like for for like a it's

really warm for like a such a state performance, you know,

puts him on the arm and he's like Andre, my brother kind of

thing. Like, how is the city shooting

you? And he goes like Naples.

He says it's a city that eats the week.

Gun Trove and Andre talk about their like their operation.

They walk around like a a warehouse.

Some of the minor workers are there and kind of spot him.

And there's a little bit of like, ADR off screen of like,

he's the man who survived the fires of Moscow.

Survived the fires of Moscow. That's crazy in itself because I

almost took that line. And being there like you survive

like both the like, political suppression of the crime gangs

and also like the literal like, combat between various factions

of the Bratzo or whatever, or the Vodiff Zagonya, if that's

what you're going to call them. That kind of thing.

You know, Like it's like he survived double.

He survived the brutality of the Moscow regime and he survived

his peers coming after. Him not sure when this film was

set like like is this film set for the present day?

So they they shoot in 72 it's going to be set in 72 or is it

set like fucking 61? There's a set in like 53 is

Stalin just died like. It's interesting.

I mean even if it was set at that point, he would have he the

main card himself would have be. I mean, how old do you think he

is in the film? How?

How old was was De Niro when he made this movie?

So he's 3030 years old when this one comes out.

So yeah, he's assuming the film is set when it's shot.

Yeah, as far as dating it with like the weaponry and stuff

involved, I can't fully place a date on it.

But there's nothing that's like a future weapon brought out in

1872 or whatever. Like I mean it's like because

iconically carries Thompson gun, Katya uses Nagant, I think.

I mean in 97 revolver I should see in Holden one-on-one scene,

Brett, a model, I want to say 934 or something, the little 22

long rifle one because it's a 22 bounce around death round.

So there's nothing there that's like newer than like I would say

the 50s, but it doesn't. But it doesn't feel like the

film set then because the cars and stuff so.

It's yeah, it's tricky, isn't it?

I was thinking like what cars is everything I was going to look

at. So like I, I don't know what

cars. What I was going to say is what

we really did is like in Marisa Tomei from like My Cousin Vinny

to come and say here like like identify the cars or as based on

like tyre tracks and stuff. Oh man, the defence is wrong.

So good, Ricardo. Maybe it's too equal.

Left tie marks that pause attraction.

You can't be close to marks without pause attraction.

So good my. God.

Yeah, you might be hot, but you miss a Tomei hot.

In in the words of George Costanza, Marissa Tomei, that's.

So good, man. OK.

So we've had a bunch of scenes and then we go to it's a casino

scene. Yes.

Yeah, it's OCK worker. It's OCK worker.

Sorry. Before that, so I skipped a bit.

I was to this. Yeah.

So before that we also got like the inspection of the warehouse

from Inspector Valeri Mikhailov. Yeah, by who was inexplicably

Russian. It's so wild, right?

He's wearing his fucking ushanka in Italy.

It's it's fucking. Battle.

Doesn't make any sense. Like is he an Italian policeman?

Is he like a Russian soldier? Like, I have no idea who he is,

but I do know he said he's Hollywood's holiest man.

Gene Hackman, right? God, God, God, rest his soul.

Yeah. Yeah, it is.

It is wild. That baffled me.

It's like there is no way that the police forces of the Soviet

Union would send the the fucking cop over in like a red heat.

Kind of such a witch. I mean, that's a whole different

movie. If this was like a fucking

action buddy comedy in which an Italian competent and a Soviet

cop tried to take down gunshot off, you know, it's like that

wouldn't have been a good film. Like, I don't understand, like

his remit and I don't think it's right.

Here's the thing. The there's obviously the four

hour cut, which we haven't watched.

Yeah. Yeah.

There's also rumours online of like a nine hour cut which is

which is which is insane. Directed by the ghost of Sergey

Aisles style. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and

whenever, whenever, like a plot T So this comes up.

I just think it must be in the four hour cut or it must be in

an hour cut. Like there's there's so like,

what the fuck is going on anyway?

Mikhilov is is like at the warehouse.

He's like he's obviously on the case.

Like he knows this is the beginning of the smoking

operation and he knows that he like, you know, it's a classic

thing where the cop knows the bad guys are are guilty.

He just needs to prove it. So he needs to like find a

smoking gun to a raid or that kind of thing.

But he's there all the time. This seems like very much like

business as usual. They pretty much have to fuck

off. And he gets like, has a bit of

like a rude back and forwards with like one of the dock

workers. And then and then he's basically

sent pack it after he punches a guy.

He punches a guy in the face. Yeah.

And he's like, I'm the fucking law in this town.

And then they all laugh at him. And then he like walks away and

they're all like, I think he put down.

I think he put down like like. It's fucking amazing man.

Like it's inventioned. Yeah, he is totally inventioned

and then he gets into his little Italian police car, which makes

not making sense. No sense at all.

It's like it should be a beat ass fucking larder with like

Moscow number plates or something and he just drives

away listening to like the fucking red.

I'll be choir on it's eight track player.

Yeah. So he's kind of he's actually

like the the, the Frank Zipper of the film because he's like

the one I thought it makes no sense.

He's Russian. He's like, he's like the one

honest cop of the movie. So like he refuses the bribe.

So they try and bribe him, but they do it like as if they've

done it 1000 times before and they like they'll know he'll

reject it. So he like he basically takes

the envelope and like just throws it like into the into

into the water and then punches the guy in the face.

I mean, it's a slamming indictment of like the Italian

police force that the only, only good cop in Italy is some

fucking Russian guy who's there because reasons, because that

narrative needs would be there. Yeah, yeah.

It's ridiculous. Yeah.

So he gets into his car, he's he's driving away.

He's got, he's a little assistant.

He was an Italian actor. I don't know what his name is or

he was kind of his predator. He is.

I forget this guy's name but I checked and he hasn't been in

any Jello films. So yeah, no interest in

monitoring his career further. Well.

It doesn't matter because we barely see him again.

We see him in this. We see him in this scene and we

see him. I think there's a scene where

like a body is discovered later on and he's back there again

with like, the forensics. But like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So he's here at ABC says, like, have you heard that the the

Kardashians have arrived? You must have known that kind of

thing. And he's like our visitor from

the east didn't come here for the weather.

And then then he'd be like laughs.

He was like, never the Jew because he points at the

Shanker. But yeah.

And that's, that's it. So we've met Gene Hackman.

Yeah. Right now we're in Mario's

casino club. So again, like, really confusing

storytelling here. So we haven't seen Katya yet.

So this is how we are introduced to Katya.

And she's like a major character in the film.

But like, we see her for the first time just like

inexplicably, like on Gunter of his arm.

They've talked about it, but we haven't seen her.

So yeah, she's she's literally just there.

They walk inside this club. The club is like dark, like dini

lit like it's all like drenched in red that there's like some

sort of like Italian jazz, little like.

Jello Jazz. Yeah, like it's like like 4

piece, like on the stage, Yeah. And expected believe there's

like a couple of dancers, one which is fucking Lynda Carter.

I know that's mental. What the fuck did you did?

You owe someone a favour. I mean, you know, man,

safeguard. I'm not going, I'm not going to,

you know, be be upset and then I can't be on the screen because,

you know, but. So she's like in a sequin dress.

There's another woman next door who's in a really similar sequin

dress, except she's also got like the Chiquisa banana kind of

headdress with like fruit and veg.

It's almost as if this is like written, it's like some kind of

like fever dream of what the fucking 11 year old Kinsharov

thinks capitalism looks like. Like, like he's living in, he's

living in just some horrible part of like Soviet Russia.

And he's like thinking, yeah, what does the capitalist scum

doing with the banana headdresses and the Lynda Carter

and the beautiful bottom, you know?

So we walk in and it's like the classic kind of thing, like

you've got to be out in society. You go if you're showing.

So she's like dressed to the nines.

He's like in a sharp suit as always.

He walks in and he's kind of scooping the place out.

The first thing we see this is like Mario Ambrosini and him

meeting. So like he's like at a table

like in like a bufferio, like a little VIP type section.

And he's got like, you know, all these two of these around him

and stuff. And he's got like a girl on his

arm who'd be doing even like, I'm not sure we see again.

Yeah. And there's a bit where like

they look at each other, they look at each other kind of

thing. What happens a control of like

finds a table, 1 of Ambrosini's guys comes over and it's like Mr

Ambrosin, you would like to have a word.

He's taking care of your drinks kind of thing, you know, like

points towards like Al Pacino and he's there.

You know that guy, like Ambrosino's guy, and that's an

actual Italian actor as well. I forget as the amount, but I

looked him in. He was in one of our film, which

was a jello film. 10 years later, he was in this incredibly

fucking violent Jello film called Las Trotsino and it's

horrific. I've heard like it literally had

like a theatre release in in Italy and that was this.

And I've, I've heard it's just insanely violent.

So I want to hunt it down one day.

But yeah, that's the only Jello link really this film has.

I'm sorry, but you know, I'm the Jello mentioned guy.

Yeah. That's not seen though.

Yeah, that's cool. It's the blackmailer, I think.

In Italian, Yeah. Yeah, but it that's cool.

Yeah. So I didn't, I didn't recognise

him at all. Maybe there I was just exactly

Googling who is this guy and then like I went down a fucking

rabbit hole on this man. I drunk like 3 tonnes a monster

and became 1/4. You know, so as this develops,

what will happens? Guntrove gets up and use the

table. He apologises to catch you.

Like I'll just be a minute ago. I've got to talk to business.

She looks bored as fuck anyway. He has, She really does.

Something she's stunning. She looks amazing, but she looks

bored as fuck, right? So she kind of like does this

sort of like, uh huh, and pouts and like kind of looks around

and like swigs takes a big swig from her drink, which has

arrived and it's. Well, what is she drinking?

What is she drinking? It's got like, it's in a, it's

in a martini glass. Yeah.

It's a cocktail of some kind, right?

Yeah, Yeah. It seems like hard liquor is in

there. Yeah.

Like but but she drinks it in such a casual manner.

Yeah. Like I like it's implied that

she's got like a well advanced alcohol problem.

Yeah, I mean, like, it's so say get up.

Well, she's Russian as a source, assume she was drinking vodka

before she was drinking water, that kind of thing.

It's like I grew up on mother's milk and vodka, you know?

Stoli straight up. Stoli straight up.

Yeah. OK, Gal.

Yeah. Like, and yeah, she's she's it

is really like, kind of believable because some, some

actors don't look good pretending to drink alcohol.

Tom Cruise. Oh yeah.

You you put a fucking tight in Tom Cruise's hand and and it's

like this. Katya looks in in in some like a

good hang. She looks like should be fun to

hang out with on a night out, you know?

Well, I think it would go like. Either way, it looks like it

would start fun and then, you know, she'd I think she'd

probably like hit the mascara thinner a bit a bit too hard.

Yeah, and probably then and then like and then like straight up

have sex with your wife, so. This song This song is.

All about me, It's all about me. She fucking smokes a cigarette

backwards then destroys your marriage by taking your wife to

whatever it'd be. Fucking girl boss.

I love her, that she's amazing. Scrubs, scrubs like I won't get

no love from me he. Scrubs me up.

Oh yeah, so the band strikes up her another song and it's a

tango. Yeah, it's a tango of.

Music. Yeah, like it's this.

Isn't this isn't this isn't the tango scene, but it's like the

first tango scene. It is a film that has so many

kind of moments. It's a tango scene, but it's not

the tango scene. It's a scene where they play a

chess, but it's not the. Chess the scene.

Yeah, yeah. It's not that one.

No, it's like. It's a scene at the docks, but

it's not the scene at the docks. It's honestly.

It feels like rewrites, but I can't quite fully agree with

myself for that. I feel like I didn't, right.

Whenever you whenever you talk to people like night in the 70s

cinema, people always go like the 70s were a great like New

Hollywood. You know, that's what they call

it, New Hollywood because it's like the people like Coppola

coming in, Spielberg coming in, you know, like the likes of that

George Lucas coming in, like Anthony J Pakula, you know, like

all these great names, they're always great moves, like like

Clete, you know. Yeah, great movie watched it

last night and it's like all these brave films are like not

afraid to look at like the grimy side of life or to be like slow

and developed like these complex stories will be like character

pieces in the frame of a of a of a different genre movie.

What do you think? Like New Hollywood, you think of

that. So you don't think of like

executive meddling. But I think because this movie

was like a Co produced in Italy, it was going to be distributed

in America. But like has a very like at a

height of the Cold War, the Cold War be cold.

And you know, I think there's a lot of executive meddling and

people were like, not sure how they're going to sell it.

And I think, yeah, there was probably a lot of rewrites

brought in. That's probably part of the

reason why like iceberg Jew is just like appears without any

set up. And you get like you get you get

this tango scene, you get the violin, the violin scene, which

is kind of a tango scene in the sense that he's playing like the

same kind of music. And then literally right after

that you get another tango scene.

So what the fuck is going on, man?

Anyway. The town going, apparently.

They they run out of ways to like go like right, so spoilers

for like like 20 minutes, but like to get like catcher and

Sophia to have chemistry. They're like right, just have

them dance again. Just make them do another dance,

make them listen to some more music, just more dancing just

like what the fuck guys? Why do they why can't they go

curling? Why can't they like go for a

walk? Why can't they go?

We could have had a coffee. We.

Exactly, they could have done literally anything.

It's Italy. It's not like there's nothing to

do there. They could have they could have

gone in a museum, got gone the day trip of Venice, got on a

gondola, joined the carabinieri, bought a had a had a pizza

driven. They could have driven around

homoerotically like those two cops and that it's your Tashi

film, Live like a man, died like a cop, I think it's called.

But it's just these two good looking dudes, including the

bargain basement, Robert Redford, just driving around

Rome, embracing each other, run like a little motorbike,

violently executing criminals, running trains on witnesses and

sleeping in the same bed in a very heterosexual way.

And they could have done that. They could have done that man.

And and that was made at a similar time too.

So they could have just borrowed the motorbike of those two

roommates and roommated around Naples.

Yeah, yeah. But they didn't.

That's what they should have done.

In fact, that's what their character should have done.

Like instead of the rest of the film.

I mean the world. Fucking come on.

That's Katya coded, right? That's it.

Get motorbike. We could drive now, Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, I was watching. So I guess I was watching.

I was clued last night yeah, and Jane Fondas character and that

pre Daniels give me big capture energy, like really similar

characters. Like she's a she's like a high

class prostitute who does it because she's an aspiring

actress and model. And it's almost like she's

addicted. Like she can't quit.

Like she stopped hooking like full time and just takes on

really like, but whenever she's like feels the need to perform

and wants to disappear from herself, she like calls up and

gets a gets a client and then she like acts basically for the

client. And she's like, she's just she's

doing therapy in the movie and she like talks to a therapist

about how like for that one hour, I'm the best actress in

Hollywood. And that's kind of like her

whole deal. I feel like catch is really the

same. Like catch is like not she's a

constantly play acting as somebody else.

She's not being her own true self.

I mean, but you only see her true self for like sadly about

30 seconds at the end of the war and obviously the couple of

scenes that she has was for fear, even though it's a bit

coded. I mean, it's kind of like a

comment really on the kind of trope like like the mob wife,

isn't it? Because like you're a mob wife,

you in general and for storytelling films and stuff

goes, you don't have much going other than you being like the

wife of a gangster, right. It's it's, you know, I mean, I,

I guess it kind of gets hit by its head with, with the Linda

Laplan novel and the and later film Widows, which is about mob

widows doing, doing mob things. But in general a mob White's

character isn't fleshed out and stuff.

So, yeah, kind of very much like that.

Yeah, it's weird, isn't it? Because this has obviously come

out after The Godfather. Yeah.

Like the the two that mob could women that you think of from

that film are Talia Shire from Rocky.

And, and sorry, this this film shares a producer with Rocky, by

the way, fucking what's his name?

Irvin Winkler. Yeah.

Nice. Sorry, that was a bit of trivia,

but Diane Keaton, right? Sorry, sorry, stupid.

I bet Irvin Winkler got a lot of investment and provided little

kind of input on the film. I think he was, he was.

He was a money trained for this film.

Yeah, I I love, I actually generally really love the first

Rocky film. I mean as fuck, I love them all.

I love them all. But the first place is like a

safeguard. Brilliant film.

Yeah, so, right, So God fucking up.

We're still in the casino nightclub scene, right?

So what's happened is Gontrop's gone over to Mario's table,

right? This is their first time meeting

or Meanwhile, the last thing we see of catchers is she gets like

bored, she gets up and she walks her from the table.

We don't know where she's walking towards, but I think

there's people dancing on a dance floor.

So she's going towards the dance floor, right?

But over at Mario's table, it's Mario's.

It's relaxed fingers resting on a chess piece from 1/2 finished

game on the table. First of many chess games we're

going to see and. I was just like, straight up

fucking just like fucking casually playing chess at the

nightclub, by the way. In the nightclub, it's.

It's like, and that's like Kramer level behaviour.

That's ridiculous. It's like, it's like just as we

understand you what Kramer was. Because I think I might make

more references to it later mate.

Do you want to give us a bit about Kramer?

Yeah, I can't remember. I don't know who made it, but

there was about 15 years ago, there was a Twitter account

calls Kramer. And what it was is it was like a

fake 1970s style. A crime detective show that was

tweeted out in bits and it starred, and it was all full of,

like, hilarious misspellings. Crimer is the hero, and he's a

criminal, a criminal mastermind. But he doesn't work for the

mastermind. He's just a criminal.

He's like a chaotic, like a true what?

What would you say? Chaotic Neutral.

Neutral, Yeah. Definitely, whereas whereas or

as brainiest as more chaotic evil, right?

Exactly. Brainy brainiest is the real bad

guy. He was like the, the, the, the

real, the real kind of like, yeah, exactly as you say, like

kind of either either like true, true evil or lawful evil or or

curse evil. And then you've got on the other

side of the police side, you've got detective.

He was the the policeman who's trying to take down Crimea.

He has he has a dog called Puppet and puppet puppet and and

the whole the whole show was I was just like tweets, tweets up

where Lucy stood together to form some kind of plot about

about that. Fucking spelled as well.

And then occasionally they would put out like like TV Guide style

pages saying like what what tonight's episode was about kind

of thing. And there was a very

occasionally bits of like title card art, but there was never

any like people drawn. But I loved it.

We got we were obsessed with it in 2012.

So fucking good it was all we talked about by the Saudi of

made by for fucking insufferable.

Yeah. We were really fucking fucking

bad. I'm just pulling up some some

fucking crime stuff now on, on Twitter.

I'm I'm I'm I'm kind of cut to 1, like the bump of like the

kind of brainiest arc that like just kind of took it away from

it's like to the streets gritty cop drama.

Yeah, because it started off as like a gritty cop drama to to

dangerous so. Right, so Crimea, the amount of

muni input into this place, brackets puts on sunglasses and

no red carpet bracket tuts. Unlucky then welcome Matt the

following tweet, Detective wife. I'm get it you got to go, but be

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I'm on call me doors full of flu hours.

Sadia is brilliant. I.

Am going to go on. I was going to say it's like

basically all the tropes from like any any 70s cop drama, but

like with a bit a bit extra silly.

So like that vibe there is very much like the the the

untouchables, Elliott Ness and his wife and.

Come on Elliott, put another fucking baby in me.

Please man, I'm a God damn tried wife.

I need to be barefoot and fucking pregnant all times.

Elliott, you can load that Thompson.

Good. Why can't you load me?

Wow. Yeah, so I'll, I'll get back to

the movie. So, so, so Gontro finally, after

25 minutes, arrives at Mario's table.

Yes, officer, there. It's.

Arresting now. Come on, I'm just saying, man.

So Mario's like welcome to Naples.

And then Gontrol sits and goes like nice city.

Mario smiles. Yes, we're very proud of it.

A waitress comes and puts some like wine stuff on the table.

Mario like paws like a massive like a ridiculously huge glass

of like red wine for them both takes ages and then goes Mario,

Mario. Mario's like Naples is delicate,

a beautiful machine. Every piece has its place and

drinks And then Gunter of like big long paws and goes machines

break ha ha ha. Which which?

Which is actually a bar. It is.

It is a big cry about, but it's actually a bar as well.

Machines break. 2 words Perfect. No, no.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is it.

So we talked in like about two words stints for the whole

movie. Yeah, it's Mario again,

performance like sometimes, but usually only when someone new

arrives and starts pulling levers they do not understand.

And then then we got like a Dolly around the table.

So it's like each guy's in in profile and then right in the

middle of the frame for fucking no reason is the is the like the

Chiquita banana lady dancing? Oh, great.

And she's and she's like spinning.

It's spinning, it's spinning. And then, like, the jazz music's

playing and someone goes like as she's spinning.

The corner back on she's. A little cut to edit to Mario's

face again. He's like, tell me Gunter of do

you enjoy Naples? And Gunter was like, I just

arrived and he's like of. Of course, but life does not

make sense. Did you enjoy Naples?

I just arrived. Yeah, And then he's like, yes,

of course you must understand something.

This city belongs to Neapolitans.

We speak the language, we know the tides, we know when the

storms are coming and then gone. To our shrugs goes.

Storms come anyway, ha. Ha ha, ha.

And I said, yeah, he's he's the guy.

The guy, right? He talks like Steven Seagal

movie titles, these like 2-2 or three word sentences at times.

Hard to kill a good man. Pink don't hurt.

It's like, yeah, he's like, he's like Patrick Swayze in the start

of Roadhouse. Just like pink don't hurt like.

Pink don't hurt. Yeah.

So then the camera kind of does like a game, steady, calm.

It's like handheld shaky Cam, but kind of like walks away from

them and kind of does like a big like what would become like the

Scorsese wanna like all the way through like the restaurant bit

of the where the tables are in the club and then onto the dance

floor. Scorsese, it takes ages.

It's like not good here. It's not like the sort of good

fillets where it's like brilliant.

It's just a bit like, why has he done that on the middle of a

scene anyway? Does this and then eventually

like into frame steps. I do like this catcher steps

into frame and it's like, ah, we're following catcher rugby

and catcher stands in the dance floor and they're like couples

dancing around her, but she's got nobody.

And then she sees Sofia Loren dancing with like an ancient,

ancient man. An ancient man, but.

Take about to get back in time with me.

It'll be humans never existed, no technology.

I hope that Lady is doing well. Yeah, so do I.

And then like Sophia is dancing this guy, he.

Looks super fucking into it by the way.

He looks super he's like I am 3000 years old.

This is my I have lived 3 millennia to put my hands on

Sofia Lorenz bare shoulders. That's why I will die.

Basically, he probably went home, but he gooned himself to

death that night. Yeah, there's a Clute mentioned.

There's a, there's a, there's a guy in Clute who's like he's

like one of the regular customers for Jane Fonda.

And he's like, he's like in his late 70s and he's like, and

there's a whole scene where like Donald Sutherland's like stood

in the shadows, like, like watching her and recording her

as she has this meeting with this John to like build up, like

compromise on her so that you will help her, that she will

help him even. And the whole thing is that

she's telling a story that didn't happen, but how she's

just come back from an incredible party from a from a

trip to Canada with, with a theatre troupe because she's,

she's like her, her kind of stories that she's this great

actress kind of thing. And this old dude is just there

like watching it. And she strips and the whole

dude's watching and like, Oh my God, amazing.

He like pulls like wine for her and stuff.

And then like, and then and then, and then it cuts to like

Jane Fonda kicking off at Donald Sutherland because she found out

he's been recording it. He's like this.

And it's like this old bad. It's like in his 70s and like

his wife died and like I see him like once a month.

He pays me $200. He never links a finger on me

and I'm all he's got. Wow.

Anyway, this old fuck is who's dancing with to feel around is

very similar. Yeah.

Yeah, right. So wild.

If you could feel anything below the belt it'd be fucking sickle.

But. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So the whole point of the scene is that for Sofia and Catcher to

make eye contact, which they do for a second, and then classic,

classic, like chase me, chase me Sofia kind of like looks at her,

doesn't really give an expression, but you can see this

like some underneath. Then she just turns her

attention away again and continues dunting with the old

guy. And then the dance ends and then

she walks away. Dancing with the fucking Crypt

keeper after like eye bag and cut.

Yeah. And it's like, yeah, well, we

are. We are picking up what this film

is putting down. Yeah, And before we get to enjoy

any more of that, even come back to the table with Mario and

Guntrov. Mario's like your ambitious

Guntrov Gutrose. Like, yes, ambition is

admirable, but Naples is not a lot of you climb is he goes.

It is a throne. And this is like the first

opportunity to like freak out. This is like proper like Vincent

Hannah level stuff. But like obviously he's still

young. But like Attica, Attica, it's

like you're around water. He's like he's like Naples is

not a lot of you climb. It's a throne and there's

already a king sitting on it. And then and then Gonzo is like.

He's really over egging the performance as well in like the

the nightclub and you can tell like the extras were told don't,

don't react and don't bounce at him, but a couple of them do.

That was like straight up fucking look over him.

And one of them, it looks like the film's edited at this point,

because I think one of those extras look like straight down

the barrel and it didn't realise until they were doing like kind

of like recuts and stuff. There's at least, there's at

least one more time, I think later on where somebody spikes

the lens and looks the way into it.

Yeah, big time. So that happens.

He does that. He spills his drink a little bit

and then Contra just like cold as fuck as like kings fall.

Again, it's just talking two word line as well, two or two or

three words. Kings 4.

It's like fucking half the things he says sound like strap

lines for film. Film like posters and trailers.

Machines break kings. Four, Yeah, yeah, yeah, soon as

that and then and then he's like, yes, yes, they do.

But when kings fall, Gunter of when kings fall, they take the

whole king do with them and then yeah, yeah, yeah, and then like

even and then this is like the she keep another woman.

Stop spinning. Yeah.

And it's like, what's going on? Everyone's like, what the fuck?

Like I think the guy sit next to the like Mario, like stand up,

like shit's gotta kick off. And then he does that kind of

like everyone sits back down again.

And he goes, So I ask you politely, Gunter off, wouldn't

you perhaps be happier somewhere else?

And then Gunter off just goes no, I like nipples.

And then he walks away. It's like what the?

Fuck is the scene it's. Meant man, it's like hashtag our

guy like, no, I like it here. I've just come all the way here.

I'm, I'm, I'm going to go away now.

Come. On and then yeah, exactly that

happens. And then the last thing to end

the scene is there's like a booth behind like the table that

Mario and that are all that which we don't even notice

because it's just like like maroon velvet.

It's all lit red anyway. You can barely see it.

Yeah. And then and but then, like

around the side of it just steps out.

Well, getting up, shuffling out. Is Harvey Cattell, Andre.

Yeah, that's when we see him. And then just before, and then

just before, like he looks at Mario.

Mario looks at him. And then it looks like they're

about to say something. And then it cuts and they're

like, oh, what the fuck was that?

Yeah. So that's that fucked up, man.

That was that's so mental. How far are we through now?

We're barely into it. We're barely into the film.

Like the fucking nightclub scenes early in the film, right?

And like. Why is he?

We've just met him and this guy's freaked the fuck out

straight away. We barely know him.

This is like the second time we've seen Mario and he's done

like a full freak out. So weird.

Italians be crazy, am I right? Yeah, I think we get like a bit

of a montage now of like the crime organisation being set up

from like gun troves. And part of what's happening

here is also getting like voiceover from Harvey Hotel

talking about how like fuck they was he say some bullshit about

like how they're not eating pastor at the docks anymore,

they're eating borscht or something.

Something really stupid like that.

Yeah. It's like it's, it's, it's well.

They're drinking. The sip involves girls stupid

like that. It's like some food.

Fashion drinking vodka and spiced tea or something yeah

double check it, but it's like. Russian caravan Fucking yeah,

whatever. Fucking Russian caravan ass tea

drinking and. Then we get the pig farm scene

and it's gone through himself as the pig farm, and then they

explain how whenever they have to kill people, they go out into

like the countryside and it's an old pig farm there.

It's about fucking Snatch. Actually.

I think Snatch nicked this. I think nicked this big time.

Yeah, big time, Dennis Farina. Millennium nicked it as well.

The bit with the judge and he's got the pigs.

Right. Yeah, There you go.

So it's exactly that. So right.

That's later on the point then. Basically they take the bodies

to a pig farm. The pigs eat the bodies, and the

farmer is this old big fat guy, Yeah, called Yevgeny, who's, you

know, I think they're meant to be like, he's one of the pigs

because he's got like little small glasses and the lies.

And it's so weird. It's like it's in Italy, but the

farmers are Russian, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, I mean, like, I mean like, they're not going back to Russia

to utilise a Russian pig farm. It's clearly in Italy, the way

it's shot, the fucking like montage of like driving past

olive Groves and shit on the way there.

Like it's still Italy and it's like fucking what it's like.

The dust of the mezzo Giorno, all that stuff.

Yeah, fucking fucked up. So yeah, again, he's like,

laughing. And he says, oh, and this is a

bit weird. It's in Russian language as

well. Yeah.

So he says in Russian to control he's speaking English about

maybe one of these days I'll be feeding new to these pigs as a

joke. Yeah.

And it's in it's in subtitles. Yeah.

Yeah. And then like, and then gun

Trump doesn't laugh because he doesn't laugh at anything.

And he just gets just gets back into his car and is driven away.

He. Should have given like one of us

like looking two line responses like maybe so.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, probably yeah, baby.

So yeah. Pigsy, everyone.

Dies. Things are happening now.

I'm going to just do a quick position.

Guntarov and Andrea have a meeting.

Not not a meeting, but they meet up in a, in a, in a market.

So it's like, it's like a mirror image of when there were kids in

the market stealing. Now they're grown-ups in the

market, but they're like buying apples and shit.

We have God, yeah, we haven't ever seen, but this is our first

proper chess match between a Guntarov and Mario.

So they're like in a, it's like a club, like a gentlemen's club.

So I guess they're both members of the same fucking club.

Who the fuck is playing all this chess and nightclubs?

This shit's bizarrely Andrew Tate coded at this point.

Yeah, Yeah. So this is like a daytime meets,

but is the nightclub where I think, yeah, so there.

So it's like, you know, it's like the classic like go to the

nightclub during the day when no one's there and it's like just

the bad guys talking to you, that kind of thing.

So it's like it's empty. But them two are there like

having like a little Chianti and like playing a game of chess.

And they have the exact same fucking conversation again about

how like, you know, would you be happy somewhere else?

No, I like Naples. Do you like Moscow?

No, I like Naples. Like your wife catches really

beautiful. Thanks.

Like like he. Literally says thanks.

So he says thanks or thank you. And it's like, I mean, we, we,

we all have you all have significant others at this

point. If, if, if I don't want to meet

Rory or white street are beautiful.

I would say more fucking thanks. You know what?

I'm saying, well, he says, he says thanks and then he and then

he goes beauty is who erases and it's like, what the fuck does

that mean? Yeah, exactly.

It's like he, he, he, he, he, he says thanks, but then he just

kind of dunks on her a bit. I mean Jesus.

It's clear that they're not happy, right?

And they have problems. And whilst he's not comfortable

to, I don't know why he opens up about this to to Mario like it's

just fucked up. It's one of the many homoerotic

relationships developing for the film.

Well, yeah, I mean, he's just, he's, he's like feeling things

out, isn't he? Like he's feeling things out.

He's like, what if? What if I actually didn't find

my hot wife attractive? What if then what?

What if you know? Is there a is?

Is there a Mr? Cool.

So we have that catcher, right. OK, so then the final thing that

I think ends this bit is Catcher finally meets Sofia.

But it's a bit so. So Catcher is going to like,

she's like in a cafe and it's at night time.

Yeah, Yeah. And it looks really as she walks

into a cafe like normal, there's like normal ordinary people

there. She walks like through to the

back and goes into like a backroom.

And it turns out there's like like a meeting going on.

And I think it's like, I think it's like, I think it's the

Russian population in Naples are having some kind of like

political activist PC that is poorly describes.

Sophia is like mysterious, unknowable.

It seems a little bit aloof, but she does like she's clearly

returning whatever cat she's picking up, whatever cat she's

putting down kind of thing. The meeting ends.

So right, we've got Catcher. She's been to that meeting.

She goes to the catfish. She's met the political

activist, she's met Sofia, who's a charismatic, an independent

woman who's been organising protests against corruption in

the city. That's what it says in the

synopsis. I didn't catch that.

No, she's she's, she's investigating all the government

and political and financial corruption.

Yeah, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, all this national and

international corruption she knows is going on and she says

Sofia challenges can't. Yeah, men like your husband

think power makes them safe. And then Catcher studies of her

moment and she goes power makes men careless.

And that is like our hints that an emotional bond has been

formed between Katya and Sofia. Yeah, have to say now, Katya and

Sofia walked. So those two lesbian

revolutionaries and and OR could run.

Yes, that's such a good pull. Yeah, totally.

Oh my God. Yeah yeah.

Oh, bless them. Some interpretations.

This is from from the Wikipedia. Consider catcher's relationship

with Sofia is central to the film.

She may be the protagonist. Wins you 2 queer readings.

Sofia, A1 legged Jewish refugee. I didn't catch on to her having

one leg during the dancing season.

Still not at all I I think that's something that might

exist only in the script. Not a single thing about.

I suggest she was one legged. A1 Legged a Jewish refugee

hiding from fascists that becomes a catcher's confidante

and lover. Fans highlight again.

When is this film set? Yeah, what the fuck Ish ish

hiding? From.

Current day Italian fascists because what it's like this,

This was written by it just seems like it was lost words.

It feels like it was written by someone who had only the vaguest

idea of European politics in 1973 or whatever.

It's like she's spin the wheel and one leg spin the wheel.

Jewish woman who was hiding from spin, spin, spin, spin, spin and

spin. And it clicks on from like

communists, libertarians, trade unionists, fascists, hiding from

fascists. It's like, OK, cool, wild.

It's obviously insane, so Catcher confesses that she

envies Sofia's fearlessness and imagines flowers growing through

her bones. Bars.

That's an. Absolute fucking bar actually.

It's like what's online saying if you die flowers will grow

through your bones. It's.

Like, yeah. It's it's an absolute fucking.

It's also disturbingly redolent of the IRL put put sunflower

seeds in your pockets lying from that old lady.

Ture of the full skilled vision of your print, which is fucking

also bars from that old lady by the way.

The homoerotic subtext of their relationship has become a major

focus of Phantom Analysis, but not the only one.

The ACT ends with a pants hit, so again, very little set up to

this. I love some of these songs for

this stuff. Just happens they attempt to

hit. I think it's Mario's men attempt

to hit on Gunter of when he's at the train station under the

transition clock and on the platform.

And Mario's men, it's our first time we see, I speak Joe, but

he's not the focus of the camera.

Yeah. He's just like one of the guys

that's there still has the ice pick.

He's a sort of gun. And they ambush Gunter of the

Naples Central Air Station. A chaotic shootout takes place

that some people have since referred to as maybe the

inspiration for the Untouchables train station shootout.

But it's not. It's not as good as that.

It's just like literally opposite sides of a platform of

the trains line between them and it's going.

And it's not shot very well. A.

Lot of a lot of like night and 70s ass fucking shooting from

the hip as well. Yeah.

Yeah, like it's like. That noise.

Yeah, just like squibs, squibs popping off and like, it's it's

cool, but it's it's not the Untouchables.

There's no random Matlow's on leave getting shot in snow Bush

and with a try. My gosh.

Yeah, what does happen though is the clock on the platform gets

shot and it's and the glass slashes and it lands at gun

droves feet as he's like a bit shaken up for having survived

that assassination attempt. The police comes like whistles

and everyone flees the scene. And this time it's actual

Italian police and not a random fucking Russian guy running them

for whatever reason. Yeah, and so the first act of

Gontrov is about arrival and ambition, then the second act is

a erosion and instability. Alliances begin to crack,

personal loyalty's become uncertain and the characters

slowly realise that the game they have entered may not have a

winning outcome. This is my notes I made during

the week the the apps opens several weeks after Gontrov's

attempted assassination. In this time his influences are

expanded even more rapidly and Andre is very much painted as

like his sort of two IC like right hand man kind of thing.

Ever kind of run to the joint kind of vibe.

The Russian syndicate has secured smoking route through

the harbour and new connections with corrupt officials.

We get like a bit where like some local functionaries are

getting like glad handed, that kind of thing.

Mario Ambrosini is going skits. Yeah, Al Pacino is unhappy.

He's he's, he's knocking over Crystal where he's he's knocking

up, tabling his chess sets and he's throwing his fine.

Leather goes chess sets flying in a row.

You see that he's like 3 chess sets on different tables and

he's and he's fucking sweeping them off and it's like each one

of them has a game on it and like a different like kind of

like level of completion. And it's like what story says

Frank tell us is he is he playing chess by post with

several dying millionaires worldwide?

Because if so, he says fuck those games up.

Come on dude, Gather. What they should have done this

is having like run out of his of his house, like into the park

into sort of like like swapping all those games that everyone's

playing in the park as well. Or just or just like beating

everyone at it runs up with some old guys who's playing as you

get out of the way. I'm going to take this just like

fucking fucking like Blitz Chestnut, you know, like.

Bad. It's so good.

Yeah. We love, we love Opportune.

Having a freak out. Very, very good.

I guess that's often defining a character movement for him is

that he has a short fuse. He at the same time now is a

meeting with allies and rival gang leaders.

And I think they're trying to get like all the other gangs in

Naples to kind of band together to get rid of Gun Troll.

Because nobody, as much as they all don't like each other, the

one thing they all really really hate is a Russian guy instead of

of Italians, right? The idea that they can like kind

of build alliances with this one enemies in order to in order to

go after this this intruder lost Raniero, you know, the foreigner

outside that kind of thing and it's like.

Yeah, we go back to Gene Hackman as Valeri Mikhilov.

The fucking improbable Russian police officer, right?

Who's working for the Italian police?

So there was a body. A body has been found at the

docks. I don't know why this boy is

important because we've seen those people get killed already

and sent to a pig farm. Nevertheless, someone has

carelessly left this body in situ and Inspector Mikhilov is

now doing an investigation on it and he wants to try and pin the

murder on Guntarov, who it's not, it's not explained.

And again, I think this is like a four hour cut thing.

But but Mikhilov knows Guntarov and hates Guntarov.

And I then, I don't know, there's like a few lines like a

bit throw away where it implies that maybe like it's like an old

family feud or it's like stuff that happened in the old country

or something. If.

You were to be super generous. You could like perhaps kind of

head Canada is maybe one of them is from like an aristocratic

background, like pre pre like the revolution and stuff.

And maybe there's like old kind of like maybe like Mikhailov's

kind of like he's got like kind of like heritage that's of like

the White Russian kind of side, you know, like from Bourgeois.

But he's. Finally lost everything in the

revolution. Lost everything you know and

like, but then again that's was head cannon and a lot of this

film doesn't make fucking sense man.

He's investigating the harbour murder.

We literally literally get the whole thing where like they turn

their body over on the harbour. Like the crime scene

photographer was right in his face with his little camera.

Like, Gee, what a story. It's metal.

He's like right in the guy's fucking face.

It's like. And there's the press.

The photographer capture the scene there's.

A little fucking Jimmy Austin, like my press guy hanging around

as well. Yeah.

He's like, he's obviously, he's like speaking and like he's

dubbed over. It's ADR, but because it's

obviously like an Italian local, but he's like, he's like what?

A school, what's going on kind of thing He's like.

The Fox thing, the fact he literally says what a scoop as

well. The fact it's literally what a

scoop is mental to me. Yeah, yeah.

And then and then we get another brilliant bit of of Mikhilov

punching a guy in the face. No due process where Mikhilov

comes from. He is the law smacks that guy

plumbing the face. Like what the fuck?

Italy, Russia, we are not so alike.

You and I imagine a monologue. It's like we both are very

aggressive police forces. Yeah, that happens.

And then we cut back to like the police station, like storms into

his own office. And he's got like one of those

naughty rooms. He's got like a big map on the

wall. And it's like loads of like yarn

and like people's pictures up against it and stuff.

And it's, and he's trying and it's clear that he's like,

trying to like wipe out corruption in Naples.

And he's he's never going to get anywhere near it.

But but he's obviously like a hopeless guy on a hopeless

mission. Times against him take tick.

The clock's ticking, man. Clock's to give a control of and

Mikhailov. And there's a clock randomly in

the corner of the room on a table, like just quite

relatively low on the ground, not in a good kind of dominant

position. There's just a fucking clock

just in shot. And it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You can barely see it. Like, it's like an alarm clock.

It's one of those like, like radio alarms.

And it's like, what? We get it.

The clock is ticking. Fucking shot off.

It's ticking. It's ticking, man, you know?

Yeah, it's fucking ridiculous. Yeah.

So he, he's basically saying like the Russian syndicate

arrived and is going to lead to a violent confrontation with

Mario's organisation and he wants to try and prevent the

city from coming to battlefield. That's his whole big thing.

But Mikhilova also understands that something the other

characters don't, like crime in Naples, it's not simply about

power. It's all about relationships,

loyalties, fragile balances that can collapse very quickly, all

that kind of stuff. And hence he's like fucking yarn

thing if everyone's connected and if you take this one piece

out all the. Piece of yeah.

Yeah, Pepe. Yeah, Pepe Sylvia, I think.

Pepe, Sylvia. When I when I when I watch it

with them on the first time, surely Pepe Sylvia.

Pepe Sylvia, which is a reference.

Is it the same fucking angle as well?

Yeah, it's like the same angle, yes.

It is. I mean, I wonder if that scene

from All Was Sunny in Philadelphia was maybe kind of.

Oblique reference to control. There's only so many ways you

can like shoot that particular scene.

Like there's so many angles you can shoot at us.

But still the blocking and the whole thing of I need to go back

and review that episode like because.

Yeah, that's wild. We're.

Making a lot of connections. Yeah, much like a fucking Pepe

Sylvia board. Too deep maybe?

Perhaps. I mean, yeah, so.

So the next thing we've got is, is to dub the cigarettes in the

rain scene. So it's it's pissing down in

Naples. Gunter of IS stood under a

street light watching a shipment come in.

Yeah. Andrea's with him and Andrea

asks Guntrell if he has a light for a cigarette.

So they both put their cigarettes together and Guntrell

tries to light with a single flame, both of them at the same

time. Both of them light up.

They have a single puff and then the rain puts out both

cigarettes and they look at each other, longing in the in their

eyes, but they don't see anything and it's like the spark

has been thwarted by the world they inhabit.

No writers who use subtext. And they're all cowards.

They're all cowards. Yeah, They might as well swap

cigarettes for a second, Do you know what I mean?

Jesus Christ. But while we're here, we're on

to the actual tango. Well, there's another casino

scene, right? Where we get a lay of the land.

Everyone's in the casino again. The.

There's like the fucking mare, I think.

And like a trade Union Leader or something.

Kind of. Oh.

Yeah, that guy. The really fucking greasy dude.

Yes, yeah. The guy looks like like, like

the like the sweaty Papa John video, but he's like I, I've,

I've had like, was it fucking like 35 pizzas in the last 31

days and trying to push out my company.

He's he's that level of like moist, intense.

Yeah, yeah. So.

Weird you guys caught that right?

How fucking just sweaty this dude is?

All I can think of you was like directly under one of like the

lights maybe? Yeah, yeah, I gotta find his.

I'm gonna find him on the IMDb, his Hector Limonez.

Hector Limonez. Fucking gal.

And the rest of his credits were Italian.

I guess he was like an Italian, like film or TV guy.

Like a version of like, like he's one of their that guys,

right? There's probably loads of people

in Italy. I don't know if you have any

Italian listeners among like the 22 or that countries that listen

to this show. Thank you very much, guys.

By the way, we'll keep adding more and more, more and more

overseas listeners to our show every every week or so, which is

really cool. So if you recognise this guy,

shout up. If you know us contact details,

keep me yourself. We don't want to show we stop

that. Indeed.

So we get about that and it's like this reminds me a bit of of

Tafin. It's like lower level

functionaries in the area talking about like a particular

fucking bit of land deal or something like that.

It's just like, OK, whatever, this is boring, but I get it.

Like there's property development in Naples and and

the Russians own the territory and blah blah blah blah blah.

You will not do the rezoning of our territory.

And then right, this is what gets confusing because then we

then we cut to the dance floor again that we saw earlier on,

obviously the same location and everything.

I swear to God, it looks like it's exactly the same scene, but

like Sophia is like is dancing with that same old dude, but

instead of like it cutting when she like looks away from

catcher, it's like the dance finishes and she walks up to

catcher. And then they have like like

what is called like the famous tango scene.

So the jazz band has given away to a small tango ensembler.

Banda neon violin, upright bass. This is this is on the

screenplay. Smoke curls towards the ceiling.

Glasses clink. Laughter erupts at scattered

tables. The banana headdress dancer,

which is in the fucking screenplay has moved off stage.

That's what we call it as well. Banana headdress dancer like

other had dancers. Other dancers are available.

Not the Chiquita banana that sits on a nearby table like an

absurd crown. Politicians and gangsters crowd

the room at the bar. So yeah, they move over to the

bar. I guess Cat just stands alone

with the glass of wine she hasn't touched.

Her eyes drift back towards the dust floor.

I think that's changed that that's different in the movie

and then Sophia still dancing with the LDL estre here.

It's where it picks up in the in the movie.

Man moves safely. Sophia moves like water, guiding

magnificently. Catcher watches.

Something about Sophia's movement seems to quiet the

noise of the room. Blah blah blah blah blah.

Dance ends. Guy shuffles off music shifts,

opening bars of another tango. Sophia walks towards Katya,

stops just in front of her. Neither woman speaks.

Sophia tilts her head slightly. You dance Katya?

Not often. Fuck me.

It's like a fucking Gunter off family trait.

It's these fucking two word sentences.

While it's wild, you say This is why, This is why Gulsharov and

Kathy Koncharova don't have much relationship.

Do you speak in two word fucking sentences?

How can you? How?

How can you, how can you build a marriage?

But all you do was like say fridge empty, no shop today.

Boing Boing head hurts. So Sophia puts a hand out

tonight seems like a good exception.

And then they she puts a hand in hers.

They step into like the light on the dance floor.

We get like it's it's the same bit of tango music that I think

was used in the scent of a woman when he's like Al Pacino again.

So I thought it was like, and again, another like cinema

reference to Gunter of where like that same music from the

sense of women where he's like blind and dancing in the tango.

It's a piece of music. You don't have a film that's in

that. I also want us to do at some

point, maybe for an episode of Enrol in the Kitchen Drink and

be a talking about with True Lies.

Oh yeah. That's in True Lies, baby.

It's in the tango scene at the start.

Oh, we. Should do that because you

talked about doing that last year.

We should do that. I did, yeah.

At first, at first their movements are cautious.

This is this is again from this is the stage direction.

At first their movements are cautious, testing each other's

rhythm. Does that mean they begin to

move more fluidly? The tango becomes intimate.

Catcher follows Sophia's lead, quickly matches her step to

step. The camera circles them slowly,

not like in carried where it's like spinning and spinning and

spinning in terrible. Around them, the club continues

it's chaotic life. Mario's men whisper over the

cars, a politician drinkingly arguing with a bartender.

Your husband watches everything. Katya glances towards the

balcony. Guntherov stands there, speaking

quietly with a group of men. His eyes scan the room

constantly. Katya, he trusts nothing.

Sofia, that must be exhausting. Katya almost smiles.

They turn again. The dancer was more intense.

Sofia, what about you? Katya, what about me?

Sofia, do you trust anything? Katya considers.

I trust gravity. It's the only thing that hasn't

let me down yet. Fucking hell, fucking hell.

I can't decide if it's a bar, if it's funny, if it's accidentally

funny. What the hell?

I'm putting the fork. Do you guys think that was put

in there as a joke? It must have been like, how did

she keep a straight face during that?

Like that's ridiculous. And obviously like, you know,

they have the whole thing in Taxi where it goes to like watch

a movie and it's a fucking porn movie.

Like she must know, like there's jokes in this movie.

I just remember the fucking porn movie date from OH.

Fucking Sophia that's a lonely way to live.

CATCHER You seem less lonely. Sophia Appearances are

persuasive liars. And then Sophia well, that's

absolute. Appearances are persuasive

liars. Sophia what brought you to

Naples? Catcher A train.

It's like everyone in this film is gay and autistic.

It is the most 2026 film we've done.

It really is. And then Sofia, what?

What will keep you here? Catcher does not answer.

I really hope she would say something like that'll.

Keep me here. ScotRail The dance ends up

replays. Music stops.

The pause scatters throughout the club.

Obviously some people are whispering because it's like

it's two women, two women. Lesbianas in my doubt club.

Indeed. And then across the room,

Guntarov watches from the balcony, his expression

unreadable because he's unreadable for the whole movie.

And behind him, Andre leans casually against the railing.

She dances well. Guntarov says nothing.

Andre. So does the city.

So does the city. Guntarov yet again, with his

fucking favourite saying. Cities fall, empires crumble,

clocks stop ticking, Andre eventually.

It's like Andreas Andreas inner monologue is like don't shout

off I am hard gay for you. Everyone's.

So everyone's an edge Lord. Everyone in this whole movie is

an edge Lord. Like no one can talk normal,

just talk normal. It's a city's fall.

Empires crumble, go back to the club.

Come give me a hug, I can really get rubs.

My job sucks. Oh God, cities fall.

My back is killing me. I'm very busy.

Cities fall man. Sorry, witness.

Oh man, fucking Christ. Sofia, there are quieter places.

She writes an address on a napkin hanser to catch her.

If you ever want to see the city without all the noise, find me

in Libri Effimethi on via Alessio Mccuttsey between PM and

three PMI SEL who made copies of Italian Spider Man comics.

I fucking love it and give. Some like a fucking time slot as

well. Yeah, yeah.

This, this was actually being a bit of a fucking card watching

the film and Nelly got a fucking slap on the back of the head,

but I was like ever. I bet she was just written like

my pussy on the napkin. Yeah, that's literally, that's

literally it. So she's like, yeah, she says

that and then like she walks out catch she watches ago.

And I feel like this was meant to happen like the first time

they met because they've already met up and she's obviously she's

obviously gone to this place and they've met each other already

and they've had the political meeting and stuff.

So they've kind of sorted it later in the film to probably

make more sense, more intimate later.

But it's also like still frames like a first thing.

It's really fucked up. Anyway, stupid, stupid film.

Anyway, I love it. Stupid film.

Let me get a really weird scene. And it's only short and it's a

bit like experimental cinema, I guess.

We get a scene, it cuts to them like there's no establishing

shot or anything. It's literally Katya and Sofia

sitting at a table outside, like our fresh cook kind of thing,

outside a Cafe, sipping like a drink.

And then Andre is there, but Andre is playing the violin.

It's so weird. And it goes on for like a minute

and I and I don't like, what did you think when you saw that?

Like what the fuck? I actually said out loud, this

is the world's worst Polly duel. Could you imagine?

It's like we have, we have successfully collectivised the

relationship. It's so weird.

Like is, is it fucking symbolic that he's doing the it's like

symbolic, is he really there? Is is is him?

Is is him playing the violin just a symbol of Howard doing

this on that like everyone's nose kind of thing.

It was so weird. Yeah, it reminds me makes.

Sense, right? It remind me of that bit in in

The Simpsons where like Homer's watching Twin Peaks, but it's

but it's like a White Horse dancing with somebody under a

tree next to a street lamp and he's like brilliant.

I have no idea what's going on. I honestly think maybe the

correct outcome is they probably had an extra setup to play the

violin who couldn't make it that day.

And he's just like, put me in coach.

To me, Harvey Katel, what are the lead actors in the film?

I'll do it. Yeah, I'll do it and just tell,

tell people or not question it. And then fucking 40 odd years

down the line, fucking hell, 50 years top cheer.

I'm old. 50 years down the line, a bunch of film dirt.

So good. Do you think he's really there

in the scene or, or is he just a symbol?

And we will, Harvey Kate, tell us for sake.

I'm just trying to not do the usual Harvey Keitel thing of

getting my Dick out for my role. That's what I was going to say.

I was going to watch the piano. So there's two scenes in quick

succession. So there's one where we see Ice

Pick Drew being an enforcer. So like we introduced to his Ice

pick basically. And then the next scene I think

is really weird. So it's Ice Pick Drew's famous

monologue. It's not really a monologue.

It's a it's a 2 hander, but it's they call it monologue because

he does the most of the talking, because he's the only person in

this film that can string a sentence together.

He's he's the only one of the actors who didn't that fucking

carbon monoxide exposure during the during the film and

basically. Is alone in her, like I guess

they live in like a large apartment or a townhouse or

something. See bunch of works all the time.

He's never home. That's part of the reason why

they have such a terrible marriage.

She's there on her own. Sophia is implied as to have

just left because there's like like an ashtray on a table and

it's like a cigarette still burning.

That's obviously not catches. Catches Smokey as well.

Everyone in the film smokes all the time.

It's great. You can almost smell this film.

Yes, yeah, honking. Did you know what kind of person

off for like the whole like nature of control of the control

of as marriage, right? When you're a crime boss, you

can make your own hours, right? You've got shit on the go, but

you haven't like a manager. You've got like constantly

checking in with peas, with deer.

It's not like a fucking Rd I stick to you're literally there

is no one above you. You know you can, you can you

can bitch things off to your minions and stuff.

Go do this. Go kill Jimmy the heart.

I'm just gonna chill here with my wife, otherwise I am going to

get cooked big time by Sophia Loren.

Makes you wonder like why, why you get into, I mean, I'm not a

crime boss. Why would you get why did you

get into it if you're not going to like have some fun, you know,

have a nice he's working anti social hours here.

You should be like, if I was a crime boss, I'd be finished by

like half three every day. Yeah, yeah, I'd be finished with

half three. My wet works guys were doing the

night shift. I would just fucking chill.

Watch the money coming in, show the flag in meetings, you know,

speak, speak my underlings and stuff.

Have a good time. Have sex with Civil Shepherd a

lot, you know. You know, you know I do.

I always be like Vito Corleone at the end of The Godfather.

I'd be just sitting in Sicily with my house and my orange

grooves in front of me, whatever.

And I'd be in orange and I'd do the thing where I put the peel

in my mouth to use my, my, my child nephew.

And then I would dive a heart attack.

That's what I'd do. Yeah, I mean, anyway, the best

end of crime Boston willpower is to dive a heart attack while

entertain your nephew, right? And me.

And let's say you're not getting like whacked in Somali way, you

know, because it's like at that point you don't cry, boss.

You can chill. You don't need to be hands on.

Pay attention to your woman, dude.

City's fallen sort of marriages. Sort of marriages, man.

Yeah, go bars Gunture off Gunture.

Fucking lunar. I speak Joe infiltrates the

apartment. Catcher is not afraid of it.

And I think that implies but, and it's probably a four hour

cut thing like Catcher and I speak Joe already knew each

other and maybe he's like a guy for hire and maybe she's worked

for maybe for both. But I think they have a bit of

a, a bond because she's a bit of a, you know, a bird with a

broken wing, bit of a loss. So.

And he is very much the same because he's like John Cazale.

Yeah, Joe has been sent by Mario to deliver a warning to Gontrov.

Guntrov's not in. He's never fucking in.

All right? So instead he finds Katya alone

in the drawing room with her apartment.

He places his ice pick down on the table.

He's there's. Have you seen like the the the

commentary online about how the ice pick is a reference to like

the mood? Like how Trotsky was

assassinated? I didn't say discourse about it,

but half with him. I sat in the watch.

I thought, well, actually the ice pick, Trotsky.

There you go. There you go.

Yeah. Yeah.

This this whole film gives itself eagerly to over analysis,

But I mean, come on. Yeah, there's got there's got to

be a reason why it's an ice pick.

I mean, he could have been hatchet jewel.

He could have been could have been stocking full of sand

jewel. He could have been he could have

been 2 golf balls and a sock jewel.

But he's ice pick jewel for a reason.

And it's like, because that was indeed the fall of a, of a

authoritative, powerful Russian who fled Russia, right?

So back to the movie. So catch completely unfazed by

Isaac Jew's appearance, says you're early.

Joe sits down, puts the puts aspect down and she finally

looks up, studies him and goes I wounded when Mario would send

you. Joe doesn't say anything and Joe

goes out of nowhere. And this is pretty.

Judy says you remember the hospital and it's like what it's

like I I don't as a viewer of the movie, don't remember the

hospital. The fuck are you talking about?

I remember the man who would not stop screaming, and Joe nods a

little bit. They said I was sick, said my

head was wrong. Joe picks up the ice pick again

and taps, taps it against the desk.

Tick, tick. They had tools for that.

Catcher glances at the ice pick. And did it work?

Joe smiles faintly. I left before they could try.

I love how he should just assume as he's being lobotomized like

many of the characters and actors in this film clearly

were. And you told me something once.

You said a man isn't what was done to him.

Do you remember saying that? It's just like I, I said a lot

of things. Most people lie when they say

it. Joe picks up the ice pick, turns

it slowly in his fingers. You believed it?

Catcher leans forward. If I believe it while you're

here working for Mario. Joe shrugs.

Because believing something and living it.

He types the He types the ice pick against the decks again are

two different things. The catcher.

Did Mario send you to kill Gunter of?

Joe shakes his head. Not tonight.

He puts the pick down, but the clock is moving.

Catcher for whom? Joe moves towards the door.

He stops without turning around. Everyone.

Joe exits. A ticking clock fills the room.

Cut to black chills. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Everyone. So.

So we've just met ice picture for the first time.

Turns out he was in an asylum. Catcher was in the asylum?

Yeah. That's.

It doesn't make any sense. The four hour cut.

You know what? I bet the four hour cut also

fails to shed light on any of this.

Like like the the four hour cuts, there's a second extra 2

two hours of Kathy and Sofia just dancing and it doesn't

answer any fucking questions at all.

Because drunk as all does an American accent, I've got no

idea if I speak Jew is Russian or if he's a Neapolitan and at

what point they met anybody. It's a very cosmopolitan city is

Napoli right? I mean, it's got like a Russian

chief of police cutting around in his fucking fucking Bosco

militia uniform has got an American mental patient as as

like the chief works for hire guy.

There's there's a big fat Russian but a pig farm just

outside tower. The next vaccine is this is

where I start to feel Martin Kasuzi's hand as as because big

Catholic energy. The next thing we get is the the

chime of a cathedral bell. And then Gontarov himself begins

to experience doubts about the world he's created.

And then he goes into the cathedral late at night and sits

alone into a in a church confessional booth.

He begins speaking quietly to an unseen priest on the other side

of the screen. And I don't know why.

I don't know why there's a confession scene in the movie,

but there is. So the first he's like, you

know, routine crime, confession of a criminal.

He's like, you know, forgive me, Father I've for I've sinned.

It has been three weeks since my last confession.

Oh, go on, my son. And he's like, Father I've I've

committed violent deeds against my fellow man.

As it continues, it gets a bit darker.

And don't Rob isn't like seeking forgiveness.

He's kind of like having his long dark tea Time of the soul.

And he asks the priest like whether the life he has built

has any meaning at all. And the priest?

He offers no easy answers. And also I don't want to fucking

assume things don't shut off. Would be Russian Orthodox right?

He wouldn't be a Catholic. I think so, yeah.

So, yeah, so he's gone to Catholic Church.

He's like, actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then he just leaves and that was the confession scene for

like some reason. And if you like didn't make any

sense, guess what happens next. Mario and Guntrov play chess

again because like fucking why not, right?

God, it's only been like fucking 15 minutes since I last saw

someone play chess. Oh my God.

So yeah, back in the backroom like scenic club.

I'm sure it was on the fucking same day shooting.

I think we may be like swapped out fucking Guntrovs cravat for

a different cravat or something. Probably little car I walked in

the background that has to walk off.

Can you imagine if you did the other groups but actually walks

on? I forget to wonder what would

cost you by accident. So good this time, the kind of

like through gritted teeth diplomacy of the first one is

kind of shifted. The next move will not be on the

chess board. It will be on the streets and

then we get an emotional scene now between this is really

unearned, right? So we get like, this is the big

scene between Catcher and Guntrove on the bridge, right?

This is so fucking stupid. So we learn a bit about their

background, but we it's so an end, right?

It's going to be a Catcher conference.

Guntrove, on a bridge overlooking the harbour and the

clock tower, is visible in the distance.

As always, she pulls a gun. Catcher pulls a gun.

With a proper flourish as well, it's like.

Yeah, pulls a gun. It's like I'm going to shoot

that. Damn.

Car full of holes. Neil Green is fucking a gun on

us, man. Yeah, she pulls a gun and she

points it directly and he's like, no, no, no, Jesus Christ.

She lowers the weapon slightly because we're they're like kind

of stir each other's eyes for a bit.

Deniro does that amazing thing he does where he has that kind

of smoke, so satisfied kind of weird smile that he does when

he's kind of angry, like, yes, does that face.

So she he's doing that face. She's kind of like there with a

gun. And then eventually she kind of

loses her nerve a little bit and lowers the gun a little bit and

then and then like gotten drum is like, what is this?

What is this? Don't you love me?

And and she's like, of course we're in love.

That's why I tried to shoot you. It's.

Like. A fucking scene, yeah.

Just like I'm. Like what was that?

Incredible. Cut scene.

Incredible stuff plan. Yeah, if I was to be charitable

about this scene, I would say this is the emotional core of

the film. Unfortunately, this is so

clumsy, this film that is like at some points really, really

brilliant and some points really, really fucking all over

the place. A bit like my opinion of the

film Mean Streets, which I know people really, really love, but

I think that film is a fucking mess sometimes.

And and I know like I haven't. Whereas your fucking several

fucking Oscar winning films, obviously I haven't got any.

So, you know, like Stolmadits. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, Jesus Christ, you know, but yeah, gone to Rob is

definitely like where he's learning his craft.

So I think yeah, and I think he hasn't he hasn't quite compiled

all his LFE from from mean streets yet.

I'm going to just list out a number of the scenes.

So first of all, the, the tit for tat kind of like occasional,

you know, put one in the hospital, the youth one in the

morgue kind of stuff is given away to like a full attack.

Mario does a big ambush on one of Guntrove's warehouses,

smashes up a load of like crates and stuff, sets fire to some

crates, kills a bunch of guys. Smoke rises over the city.

Guntrove gets informed by a phone call.

He slams down the receiver. He's really pissed off.

Says more than 4 words. Says well yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

I want him dead. I want him dead.

I want his family dead. I want I want to burn down his

house and piss on his ashes. I want to protect my gay wife

off my hands. Jesus Christ, same thing.

So yeah, get that. So Marizanne Bush on the, on the

harbour, all those functionaries that they're getting bribed,

stop getting bribed. And like police start like

arresting like bad members of gun trobs gang without any

fucking evidence or anything because they can, because

they're the fucking police. And, and everyone's like, what

are you doing here? What are you doing here?

And they're just like fucking bundling people in the backs of

vans and gun robbers. Like, oh shit, I've failed to do

that thing that you're meant to do when you sort of a crime

network, which is to like secure the establishment so that you,

you become like a thing that they have to live with rather

than like something they're trying to actively destroy.

I think that like the this, the bullshit, I've seen that like 3

or 4 of the extras in that scene, but like play outs from

the Italian National Football team, I think that's bullshit.

Yeah, that's it, right. Whoa.

I mean, I don't know what I don't know about like 1970s

fucking. Yeah, yeah, you put media about

that, but I've had a deep dive and there's some people who will

fucking fight in the streets to say that like three or four of

those guys were actually as the fucking Italian national team

who did like fucking unclear cabbios.

So we get like another montage now, but it's like the net is

closing on on Guntroff. So like not Andre obviously, but

like his over lieutenants start getting like assassinated like 1

by 1. So we got that guy who gets like

he's in his bathtub. He just gets like, killed to

kill in his bathtub. It's so wild.

It's so wild because like, obviously they can't have like

kind of squibs going off on his bare skin.

So it kind of like cuts away for a moment to that shot of just

the mirror with like no one behind it or in it.

And that it's like, and he's lying like just like, just like,

just like all, all full of holes and follow, follow holes.

Jesus. Oh, it's a real shame.

There's a guy who's riding the pony.

Yeah, the pony is fucking mental, dude.

Like what the hell man? And that guy just gets someone

like a hunt and rifle from like like at least a mile away,

right? What the hell?

It's like absolutely in the cinema and he falls off his

fucking pony and the pony just stands there.

My favourite 1 is the the guy in the boat.

So there's the yeah, yeah, sorry, the horse just stands

there. It reminds me of the car bombing

bit in Michael Clayton where he's just there looking at the

three horses and the car bomb goes from the background and

the, and the course has all run away totally.

But the boat, right. So there's the guy who's the guy

who's on the lake. Is it the lake or is it like The

Hobbit Inlet? It might be like at sea

actually, but he's like he's in a little rowboat anyway and he's

fishing, but he's fishing with like dynamite.

So the but he's like there with like one of his, I guess he's

like mates or he's got like a bodyguard or something.

But but then the bodyguard just like punches in the face, lights

a bunch of the dynamite and then like jumps off the boat and

starts swimming away. And it's like, dude, you're

going to get fucked by that as well.

You're in the boat, you push him off, you throw him in the

fucking water, and then you drive away in the boat while

while the dynamite does its work, it's like going back, like

fight choreography and stuff. The scene and like the montage

from that Russian guy just runs up with those two dudes who got

off the Vespa, braised them, and then just like runs away super

fast. Like he could have done a big

nut straight away from the camera look cool.

It's like whoever's right in these fight scenes doesn't know

how to finish them sometimes. Yeah, this is like classic thing

of when the when the explosion happens with the the dynamite as

well. Like they've clearly like filmed

that separately and cut it in. So it's like the boats like for

like a split second. It's obviously there's no boat

there. So like it's, it's like the

boat, this guy on the boat and the next thing you see it's just

the the water cleaning up. But there's no boat there and

there's no wreckage. It's just like a water explosion

and then it cuts back and there's like wreckage and a guy

like floating head, like face down in the water kind of thing,

which is probably from the pool somewhere else.

Yeah. But yeah, that was wild.

God, it's a good 10. There's a fuck, sorry.

There's the guy. There's a guy playing darts.

There's a guy like like in what? Like what?

Must be like the Nepalese version, like Neapolitan version

of like a fucking English pub. Yeah.

Like pipe. And that in itself is fucking

weird. Like we had like the musics like

Dead Jazzy and Dad like, like cool and upbeat.

And then this guy just goes in. You get like the cut to like

he's got like brass knuckles on each hand and it's something we

had like close up and like he flexes his knuckles and then

just it cuts to the guy like dad.

But it's like it'll be like really bloody and stuff, but

it's like we don't even got to see him get punched, man.

And but but but there's like all the dots lying around his feet.

You only get 3 right to throw and it's like 17.

I counted them absolutely. I wonder, you know, how like,

when people see the room in the cinema and, and because there's

all those photo frames with pictures of spoons and then

people, like, throw plastic spoons at the screen, darts at

the screen. Yeah, That's so nuts, man.

Yeah, So those assassinations take place.

It's a bit like weird Jackie version of the end of, like, the

Godfather, right? Gun Trover's received news of

all his lieutenants being killed.

And then he gets a phone call from Mario Ambrosini himself.

And he says you might want to go down to the docks to your

boathouse because I've got I've got your friend Andre.

And he's like, what the fuck? And it's like really foggy and

it's really like closely shot. And there's the whole thing was

like driving there and he's like skidding around the road and

he's like, he's like speeding past the police and stuff.

It's actually a good fucking driving scene as well.

It's actually really well put together seeing this and it's

and it's good because it gives because it gives the scene the

depth that it needs because that's be honest.

He is totally in love with him and he's, he's like, don't like

find the man that he wants to take down, you know?

Yeah. So he gets there.

And as he arrives, like a whole bunch of Ambushini's men are,

like, raising one of his, like, warehouses.

And there's like a big gunfight going on.

And his guys are, like, like, putting in a fight.

It's like overrun with, like, Ambushini's guys.

And noticeably and very sadly, in the fight, Ice Pick Jew gets

shot on the face. And we have a whole thing where

he drops his Ice pick, which has been inexplicably carrying

around the whole movie. So all people get really upset

about that, the depth of Ice Pick Jew.

Yeah, I know, right. Really sad.

So, you know, if I can pull one out for I speak Joe, He's he's

he's he's he's gone. And in the in the chaos of it

all, we see like Andre, like yell out to, to, to to Guntrov.

He's like, he's like Guntrov and he's like.

And then they they, they kind of run off out the back of one of

the White Houses across like through the valley way and into

into like where the boathouse is on a jetty.

They bust into the boathouse. And then Andre says, like, I'm

sorry, I'm sorry, Guntarov. And then shuts the door of the

boathouse, locking him inside. And then and you think, oh, fuck

me, I can't believe it. He's actually finally betrayed

him. But then like a bunch of

Ambrosini's guys all lined up outside the boathouse with that

guns and stuff. And then and then Ambrosini's

there and he says, no, Andre, it's me who is sorry.

And then he and then he points his own gun at Andre and he says

like, join your friend. And then he makes him go into

the boat house as well. So Andre's just betrayed gun

trip. This has been a fucking awkward

moment. About that, you know, I get

sick. About what happened just a

second ago, you. Know some things fucking needs

most things happen stuff stuff goes down, you know, it's not

anything can happen day it's anything can.

Happen. Absolutely wild.

So yes, we get into the harbour boathouse.

What was that go up? That wasn't me.

Five years ago. It's just just that didn't

happen. That was some other guy that.

Was. You're just confused.

Good, shut off. You're just confused.

This is so horny for me. It's fine.

I'm Andrea, old man. Love me.

So funny. So yeah, they get inside and

there's like now a lot of a lot of sexual tension inside the Boa

house already is Katya who's been like tied up and Sophia,

who has also been tied up and I don't know what the fuck she's

doing there. Really unclear.

Like what's what else is going on as well as I should have

mentioned earlier in the in the in the warehouse fight, the

police are there also shooting as well.

And like also a bunch of gangs. So like it's just absolute

pandemonium. It's like a fucking like it's

like fucking the end of bugs in the loan with the fucking pie

shooting guns. It's just like, absolutely

fucking. Chaos.

It's just like. Really, really hard to pass.

They just threw a lot of extras at the situation really didn't

they? Like like I said this, this

scene needs at least 20 more extras with various like rattle

submachine guns just to just to make things even noisier.

Books and building came out after this as well.

Yes. I'm just thinking, yeah, because

it was the same year as Taxi Driver in 1970. 6 Is there

another maybe bit of influence? Probably not.

Probably, yeah. I love what you said.

Probably, probably not there, but I mean, hey, you know.

I'm think like all I'm saying is Judy Foster is Tallulah.

Maybe you've taken a few things from from catcher.

Holy shit, man. In the boathouse, continuous.

The interior is cramped. Fishing Nets, crates, fuel

drums, a motor boot bobbing in the water beneath a hatch in the

the deck. Gontrov, Andrei and Catcher are

in there. There's rain started.

Rain starts hitting the roof and catches listening catches like

I'm sorry Koncharov, they found me and and I look how.

Katya calls him by his surname by.

The way you know. Right, Mrs Katya Koncharova

calls Koncharov his fucking surname.

All the way through the movie as well.

Like, nobody calls him by his first name.

And just like, yes, no, they have thumbed us.

And then as that happens, a bunch of like, gunfire rips

through the wooden walls. The lamps swing around everyone

like jumps on the floor. People are trying to untie like

Catcher and Sofia. There's like a there's like

another guy in there, like another random dude who I think

his entire point for being in the scene is just so we can get

shot here. Really funny.

There's like some cans and like and like barrels and stuff in

there as well. Right as that happens, the last

remnants of Goncharov's loyal gang arrive.

They're on another boat and the boats coming into the boathouse

to pick him up. The bullets in there for some

reason isn't getting used. Don't quite understand why it's

there, really. It's fucking mental stuff.

Like why couldn't just move that?

Anyway, that happens. Yeah, Andrea's going look the

back exit and Guntrov is like, I go nowhere with you and punches

him in the face and and flies him out and he's like Catcher,

come with me. And and and Sophia Catcher's

like, no, I can't take the boat. And Guntrov's like, no, he's

like catcher, you came here to rule a city.

And she like gestures and goes. Cities require survivors.

Cities require survivors. And then Andrea, who's like on

the floor sparked. I was like, she's right.

And then then Sophia is like, what are you saying, Catcher?

And she's like getting into the boat.

She's like straight away I'm getting the fuck out of here.

And then Catcher is like she starts kicking over like these

leaking fuel cans that have been shot up.

Like he's hate these cans. He hates these cats.

Stay away from the cans, the liquids like so like obviously

like fuels, like pouring out over the floor inside this

little wooden boat. And what she's going to do is

she's going to like create a diversion, I guess.

So like everyone else piles into the boat and she's like Gunter

of I never told you about my father.

And it's like, what the fuck is she talking about?

Doesn't fucking matter because we're going to find out.

And she goes and she kisses on the face and goes go.

But there's no tenderness in the kiss only only a bleak finality.

Gunter of decides to pull Andre free from the boathouse and puts

his unconscious body or Vale his body into the boat and the boat

sort of backs away. The door opens to the boathouse.

Catcher kicks it open, holding a lighter in her hand, and she

goes, What'd she say? She goes.

I want to speak with Mario Ambrosini.

And then for the gunman, A henchman who probably should

have been. I speak Joe, but I speak Joe's

dead. It goes.

Mario isn't here. And it's like, well, there's no

report between these people, so it's just a random guy.

It's a bit like the end of the room where that random guy is

like, wait, like, what's this going to do to the friend group?

And it's like, dude, you, you just arrived.

I feel like, I feel like I'm sitting on an atomic bomb.

Behind her, she's already set fire to it.

There's it was. It was all a fake outholding of

the lights, because flames just lick up behind her.

Kind of cool, I think. It's very cool.

And she goes, tell Mario something for me.

Tell him, Gunture. I've never wanted Naples.

He just wanted to win. And then this guy's like, this

guy's like, you should step away from that building.

Please, Madam. Please Madam, this is a Wendy's

and she's like, I've spent my spent my entire life stepping

away. Not tonight.

And then she throws the Lysa into the and that's already

burning and for some reason that causes it to explode in like a

massive conflagration and we get like a split second of like what

must have been like a Sybil shepherd shaped mannequin

explodes a bit like when you put in like 1 of the cheats

incorrectly in two really 2 like just let us go everywhere and we

sit for a split second really bad and that is catcher dead

real bad. But it continues.

Andrea's boat we see speeding away.

Andre control everybody in the boat.

Jontrov looks back, the harbour burning behind them, reflections

rippling across the water. He says nothing, only looking at

the unconscious body of of Andre Fund to know.

At this point, Sofia's driving the boat, which is fun.

This polycule's out of control, man.

Yeah. And then we come back to the

henchman who, again, should have been Iceberg Joe, but it's not

Iceberg Joe. And he just looks at the

wreckage and the chaos around him and goes, well, that's

inconvenient. It's what a fucking lane.

Like. What the fuck is this for?

Like where? Where did they get this guy

from? He's not from the Italian

National Football team, that's for sure.

Yeah, absolutely nuts. So all that's left now is this

is right near the end of film. So as you say, Poliquel is in

disarray. The.

Poliquel is in disarray. Mr. President, the second

bombers hit the Poliquel, you know, like we got a final, we do

get a little denouement sorry of of Gene Hackerman.

So Gene Hackerman, Gene Hackman's police car pulls up to

the harbour, which is completely on fire, along with like the

fire service and stuff. He gets out of his car seems

like the, the, the strews bodies, the bricks, everything

going, the smoke just pulls off his ushanka, throws up on the

ground and stamps on it. And that's the last time we see

him. It's crazy, it's crazy.

What even, what even part of the force organisation chart of the

local police does he take up because he's got?

Because he's got. Like such like chief of police

energy and sub scenes. He's got such like detective

energy and some of us. And it's something just like he

he seems like an average patrolman, you know, except he's

in his fucking Moscow militia uniform or whatever it's meant

to be. So the final scene after that,

so we are left unclear as to the face of Andre.

Is he is he we don't see him again.

For the final thing we get is under the clock tower.

There is a little chest table set up and Mario.

And I don't know if this is like fucking like the 7th seal kind

of vibes or something, or like like it's meant to be happening

in the in the theatre of the mind or something, or it's like

metaphorical or something. But but both Pacino's and Nero

long before he'd sit down at this this chess table to have

like their their big scene together.

And yeah, they're playing chess. They're basically both saying

like, and now we are finally here.

Our rebels have ended. We are, we are both kings

without kingdoms and and like, you know, gun trolls like

kingdoms fall. But I am a king without my

queen, but I still have my Prince and this kind of

bullshit. And it's like, well I'm happy

for you, but now I have nothing. And then we pull out and we see

both of them are whilst they are playing chess with their like

right hands, they are both pulling pistols with their left

hands and they both point them at each other.

And then we hear a bang. But as the bang happens, the

camera pulls up to like the clock tower as it strikes like

fucking like 6:00 in the morning or something as the bang

happens. And then it just says contour of

and then, and then as the credits come up and it's like

1970s and like fucking 30 seconds of credits.

The final thing we see is Sofia her like her feet walking up to

like through the through the the wreckage of the of the harbour.

And then she kneels down and we see her like approach what must

be the disembodies arm of catcher.

But but frankly, we don't see it.

We just see her wrist and it's wearing like a little feminine

watch and then she and she turns over the wrist to see the watch

and the watch the wrist is like is still ticking.

It's like and then that's it. Fucking Finn Finito at the end.

Incredible film. I'll tell you.

I'll tell you. Insane, by the way.

I don't. It didn't make a lot of sense to

me, but like, what do you think? I mean like Jesus.

I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it.

It set out what it wanted to do. It also made loads of really

fucking weird decisions along the way.

In 2026. Hindsight, it is definitely an

incredibly gay film in which, like like I said, everyone's gay

for each other in the film. And maybe that wasn't so

noticeable in 1970 whatever when it came out.

I mean, obviously Katya and and and Sophia very much, but it's

like, I think pretty much every male character that gone shut

off and count off and shut off like I gotta fuck this guy, you

know, he's like good fucking God.

So. Oh shit, sorry, I forgot.

Like I've got one thing. Sorry.

So it it pans up to the clock, gone shut off comes up as like

the title card pans back down again.

And it's like a bit ambiguity about like who shot who and

who's alive and stuff. And like, if they survive a lot

because the last thing we see is gone, shut off, still alive.

He's lying on the on the on like a cobbled streets.

Then he then he fucking he spikes his camera and looks

directly into the lens, breaks the 4th floor and says would

anyone save me? And then it cuts, Yeah, what the

fuck is that man? It's so fucked up.

Fever dream fever dream is is it cutting back to his in a

monologue? Is that as a glass?

Thoughts. As he's dying, he's really

saying that it's abstract as hell.

Like the last the last like few minutes of the film at at MR's

art house territory in the last few few minutes of the film,

which is fucking cool. It's bold.

I. OK.

We're back with the categories. Mike will lead us in on this one

or or would like me to. All right, we'll do the

standard. So casting obviously this is a

stacked cast nowadays. This would be like an incredibly

psyched cast in the 70s. It was like I guess up and

counters people who were like making the scene, people who

didn't just their first big moves.

So obviously De Niro is lost Toniero.

He has Gunter of we've got Al Pacino as, as Marian Bruschini.

Obviously he's got a very story background as well.

We know a lot about him. Harvey Ketel.

People will know, again, like we mentioned earlier, like for like

lots of films, Piano, The Bad Lieutenant, all that kind of

stuff. On top of that, we've got a Gene

Hackman, who we've talked about a lot on this podcast, obviously

would be like Crimson Tide and No Way Out already, but also

like the conversation. This is our third Hackman film

and this might be the most a character and and and act as a

PR in episodes of clear and present dudes so far.

So Tom Cruise is on 4 at the minute.

Fuck. OK.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did the math on that the other

day. Yeah, he's up there, though.

John Casale, who died tragically young, of course, was in The

Godfather and the Godfather of Hot 2.

He's also in dogged the afternoon with with Al Pacino,

so he's watching him a few Times Now.

Sybil Shepherd as Catcha Goncharova.

She, like I mentioned earlier, The Last Picture Show based on

the Larry Mcmurtry novel, of course, moonlighting with with

Bruce Willis. And well, so she do.

She obviously had her own eponymous sitcom.

Sybil, which is a character called Sybil Sheridan, who was

basically just her, right? It was.

Her, yeah, nice work if you can get it.

If you get it, won't you tell me how?

How? Yeah, with Christine Baranski.

What a great show. Yeah, that that's literally

Sophia's in a monologue when she says that's like, if you get it,

won't you tell me how she's like Mother?

May I? Sophia Loren probably doesn't

need any introduction, of course.

Yeah, yeah, big, big title of American and Italian cinema.

Yeah, against against whom? Cybill Shop out holds up really

well in terms of acting chops. Like I said, I mean, it's like

it's fucking excellent. The film deserves more aplomb

from people. You know that the both dominate

the scene. The both dominate the screen and

a lot of the especially the tango scene.

I've got some trivia. Have you got some trivia?

Yes, so it's this film has very little use of the Russian

language, despite the fact that Scott Russian Russian coward has

in it and some of the only Russian dialogue used in it is

actually used wrong. The pig farmer briefly speaks to

his wife off camera and says what is subtitled as the men out

here about the pigs. But what he actually says is the

sheep out here about the pigs. And I mean, like, like I said,

this is this is possible. I'm picking up things feel upon

Reddit, You know, Miles Riveri, I don't you know, comprehend,

but shouldn't be of Russian. But that's that's a pretty

fucking weird one. What kind of trivia have you

guys dug up? I've got a few, that's class.

Nero De Niro allegedly stayed in character as Gunter Off for the

entire shoot, refusing to respond to his real name.

Crew members reports that he would only answer if he was

addressed as Comrade Gunter Off. Incredible.

That's fucking amazing. That's so good man, I love it.

The chess game between Mario and Gunter of the second one I think

uses a real historical opening. This is the Sicilian defence.

Film scores have pointed out that the sequence of moves shows

in the scene actually foreshadows the order of

betrayals later in the film. Yeah, very fun.

Speaking of chess games, when when when Al Pacino has his flip

out and he like knocks over those three chess tables in his

house, he's actually he's actually winning all of those

games. If like you look at it's been

intersected pretty hard and looks like he's in like a

winning position in all of those games.

Yet he's like flip out of anger. And it's like, guess it's

symbolic to show these people are destroying themselves mate.

Very good, of course, right? The boathouse explosion used a

real wooden structure that the production had permission to

demolish. However, the explosion ended up

being much larger than planned, destroying 2 nearby camera rigs

and forcing the crew to stop filming for three whole days.

Yeah, the clock tower scene in the final scene is the real

Alberto di Poverty clock in Naples with the production

altered its face to exaggerate the ticking sound I.

Love that, it's incredible. That feels a weird way of saying

they've put some food on it. Yeah, there's some.

There's some, there's some continuously stuff regarding

cigarette lens blah blah blah blah blah.

Yeah, obviously the final line Would Anyone Save Me was

controversial at the time because it breaks the 4th wall

blah blah blah blah. A lot of the music was recorded

live on set which caused issues on the centre thing, which is

why there's a lot of ADR dialogue.

Fucking shows as well, like the the fact that the recorder live,

especially the nightclub scenes with the Charles band and that

which is a really cool thing, but it could have been recorded

better. You know, they could have gone

the whole like Michael Mann, fucking real veracity kind of

thing and just. Yeah, the film's production

schedule ran almost two weeks behind due to frequent arguments

between director and cinematographer.

Cinematographer This film, by the way, is Michael Chapman,

director of photography, who also went on to do Taxi Driver.

So depends why it's a funny looking film.

Yeah. Yeah, so sorry.

And then, and then I mentioned it early on.

So Albertino was obviously shooting specifically at the

same time as this. So he was flying backwards

forwards to New York and Naples, which is obviously a very big

undertaking into the 1970s. So one of the bits that they had

to do was they had to reshoot one of the chess scenes by

filming his takes and coverage in New York, while De Niro's

coverage was all filmed in Naples.

Really random. Yeah, excellent stuff.

And then finally, we didn't even talk about this.

So Inspector Michelov's habit of drinking terrible vending

machine coffee was invented by Gene Hackman.

Hackman during rehearsals and became a running gag for the

film. I don't know if it's a running

gag. We seem to do it like maybe

twice. It happens three times.

There's once at the train station.

There's once, bizarrely, just down the street from a cafe when

he goes to a vending machine. It's just there and it's like

there's a cafe in Italy right there.

And, and, and the third one, the third one, it's when it's, it's

when he's in the police station, right?

And, and, and again, that's a stupid fucking scene because he

goes to the vending machine and he gets the coffee out and he's

just like, and there's always like cops hanging around who,

who just look like they don't even like the man.

And it's like, oh man, I think that again, he sticks up the

soul film. He's wearing fucking Shankar

indoors. It's like, what even is this

film? Very, very silly.

Well, it seems like we've filmed without permits.

So you know what I mentioned the train station shootout.

Yeah, that was that was done gonzo style.

But then one of the extras is, I think it's like an old lady

carrying a dog. Like she spikes the camera doing

it and they have to leave it in because that's the only the only

opportunity I had to film it. Definitely get another rewatch

tonight and to see if that's the case.

Bloody. Yeah, about wild.

Would you like to hear camera? Would would you like to hear

some of the the conspiracy theories about this film?

Yes, please, more than anything. So so some of the conspiracy

theories about what it means I should say so one the clock

theory, the film is actually about the Soviet collapse.

Some theories argue that Ghuntrov is secretly about the

inevitable collapse of the Soviet Union repeats his clock

imagery. The fact that Ghuntrov is a

Russian criminal trying to build power at a foreign land, and

that every alliance in the film eventually collapses all

indicate this. The argument is that the film

predicts that systems built on fear and loyalty eventually

collapse into the and weight, which means control of a

metaphor for the Soviet system. Obviously, the big problem with

this the film that came out in 1973.

When the Soviets were still looking like they were arguing

from a place of fucking relative authority and relative power.

And yeah, yeah, I'm not sure actually abide with that theory.

Yeah, I've mentioned the ice pick as a Trotsky reference

theory. Yeah, the chess games reveal the

ending. I mentioned that already kind of

in the trivia, but there's an idea of the setups of the chess

games indicate like where the story is going, both kings are

doomed, need excite, can escape defeat, blah blah blah blah

blah. Chat is the real protagonist.

This one I think holds a little bit away.

So 1 theory claims that the film is secretly told from catcher's

perspective, even though Gunter of appears to be the lead.

So she appears in a lot of scenes where key decisions are

made. She obviously has that scene

with I, I speak Joe, which is obviously like a big movement

for her. She has the whole story with

Sofia. She has a bit of agency.

Basically her sacrifice resolves the emotional arc of the film

because like otherwise, there's just two blokes doing stuff and

Gunter of his story collapses immediately after her death.

She dies and then he pretty much gets shot straight away.

So. So the movies what catch you

realising she cannot escape the world that she helped to create

is what some people say online. Yeah.

What do you think? I would agree with that.

Definitely open interpretation. But she can't escape.

But just trying to escape the world should create, consume,

consume. Really interesting stuff.

Yeah, really interesting. So they're the so they're the

normal ones. Do you want to hear the fucking

bonkers ones? God, yes.

Right, Mario and Gontrov are the same person.

Whoa. The the The Fight Club

conspiracy. Theory.

No way, man. A particularly strange theory

suggests that Mario and Gunture will represent two sides of the

same character. The evidence, they say, is that

they rarely appear together early in the film, apart from

like in the the casino nightclub and when they're playing chess.

So they say that the the chess playing doesn't count because

it's him talking to himself and it's happening on a different,

like, mental plane. That's what they positive.

Mind palace it all. It all comes down the Neil Breen

fucking black bin bag Goon cave again.

Yeah. Oh, that's, yeah, that's what

this is. So like they they both dialogue

style. They both kind of talk.

Yeah. Basically, yeah.

So this is interpretation of the film is that the the is a

psychological allegory about how power destroys itself is

basically what they're saying. So like, it's yeah, it's a

fight. It's Fight Club.

Fight Club in those 70s. Yeah.

So that was weird. And then here's some crazy ones,

right. One the Manhattan Project

theory. So there's a claim that

Gancharov is secretly about the birth of the atomic bomb.

So the boat, the boathouse explosion explosion is is meant

to be representative of the Trinity test.

Jesus fucking Christ. Throughout the the film,

characters are repeatedly referenced time running out,

which is meant to be like a new on the fact that they had a

ticking time to to to achieve obviously building atomic bomb

in order to end the Second World War and Gancharov's empire

collapses after a single Castro event, which is meant to be like

this is a treaty test here for the for the boathouse is also

kind of meant to be like the I guess for Russian.

So it's really random, but it took 2.

Catastrophic, catastrophic events to stop the Japanese

Empire. Not one.

Obviously, obviously I guess like as well.

Yeah. So under this reading, gunshot

is meant to be Oppenheimer, Mario is meant to be like

representative of the US military establishment.

And then and then Catcher is meant to be like the moral sort

of stakes of the scientists. So if you like put this into

Oppenheimer, the movie terms like Catcher is a bit like

Oppenheimer after he dropped the bomb and he's he's being wingy

about it. And Mario's meant to be like

Harry Truman, just laughing off and calling.

Him pussy. Pussy a pussy ass bitch, Yeah.

Get get this bitch ass mowed out of my office.

There is another theory, which is that this film is referencing

the moon landing. So, so I didn't mention it

earlier, but in the violin scene, the the cafe that they're

at has a sign inside the cafe but visible through the window,

like a neon sign that partially spells a polo bar.

But you can only see like the Apollo could be like a full

word, could be Apolonia could be anything.

But they even get to a polo bar, right?

The final duel takes place in an empty harbour which is meant to

and after it's destroyed is meant to represent the noodle

landscape. Because there's lots of like

broken concrete everywhere. I don't really agree with that.

Stretch. Reach.

Oh, it's a big reach. I've got a bigger.

I've got a bigger 1. So Guncharov's grey overcoat

that he wears in several pivotal scenes of the film is supposed

to resemble an astronaut's suit Fucking.

But it's just fucking it's. Yeah, those those guys around

for wearing overcoats over fuck off.

Too much, too much. But I will say respect.

The big gum sheds out there too much, too much.

Stop them. The only, the only thing that

the only thing that I kind of half take on this is that they

say the clock motif is meant to represent the space race.

Yeah, I can. I mean, it was quite heated.

So it was quite heated between the US and Soviet Union at that

point. You know, I've got my usual bit

on weapons free, weapons free, my friend.

When I talk about the film's weapons handling, it's it's

armoring, all those other things that I can be brief for this one

because it's not an especially gun heavy film, but didn't do

much to piss me off. It gets significant amount of a

right actually, which I think speaks to having a good kind of

global logistical, like kind of support for armaments and stuff.

The primary weapon of Kinsharov, funny enough, is a is, as I

said, it's the Beretta 948. It's the ethical to do long

rifle calibre semi automatic, which I think is pretty fucking

cool. Katya is more traditional to to,

to Russian standards and has a Nagant revolver, the 1897.

Is that right? I'm just double checking the

notes here. Yeah.

So she's packing the Nagant 1895.

But the submachine guns used by the guys who might or may not be

part of the Italian National Football team are the Beretta

M12, which was sort of a kind of recently designed weapon at the

time. And that was, well, night, like

late, late, late 50s. So that's like the closest to a

future weapon you've got. There are a few scenes in which

Good Sharov holds the iconic Thompson gun that he has in the

poster. In every scene is holding the

Thompson gun, including scenes when he's just immediately being

firing at safety selector is unsafe.

And that's a reference to the fact that I'm a fucking artist

and pause films constantly attract details.

There we go. Does this film pass the VHS in

the mess test? What this film do good on

constant rotation on VHS, DVD, Blu-ray or laser disc player in

the mess, wardroom or whatever of a military vessel or base.

I've got to say, in my humble opinion, no, basically it's a

good movie. Don't be wrong.

It's in the same way that like Taxi Driver wouldn't work on

repeating the mess. Like nobody wants to see that

stuff. Like it's, it's a bit messy.

It's a bit like oh, and difficult to get into.

It's confusing as fuck to watch. Obviously we've just talked

about some of the mental things that come out of it.

People aren't going to enjoy that.

It's not like a simple thing you can put on and like they're joke

too after you've after. You've come out.

For a long day, you've got to like, you've got like meet on

its level and its level is pretty hard to get to.

So yeah, yeah, yeah. Sonia, if someone put this on on

a ship that you were on, what would your reaction be?

If this gets put on in your wardroom or whatever, your mess?

Oh God, please no. Probably.

Stop it. Stop it basically.

The last thing I want to do after a particularly on fun

watch is go to the through the wardroom and and see a film that

has Harvard screen time dedicated to clicking top and

ticking. Clocks as like.

No fucking mental, yeah. Man, but yeah, also also like

that bike set and and you've we, we've compared it to two art

host films before and that's not something you do to to chill out

and relax. Yeah, I I would agree.

I think the only bit of it is going to get regular play is

sorry, but the tango scene might get repeated a bit because it is

like a but let's face it, it's through US.

It is an entrancing scene. Quotes, quotes from the film.

There's so many that Meg's already gone over.

I think let's just recap the amazing ones.

Cities fall as a bar. Yeah, man.

Oh, let me find my quotes. Hang on.

Gotta get on the old I am Dubber.

So we've got the bridge scene. Catch a confronting Gunter off.

Of course we're in love. That's why I tried to shoot you

and then Gunter off Replies. If we were really in love, you

wouldn't have missed. Highly nonsensical.

It's what else we've got. We've got a.

Giving Mr and Missus Smith. That actually.

Is Mr Mrs. Smith. It actually is.

That's fucking brilliant. I love it.

You've got a God from Mario. Sacrifices is queen in the first

chess match. Control says you play recklessly

and Mario says no. I play for the ending OK.

Absolute bar. Doesn't make much sense.

Catch it to Sofia. Yeah, catch it to Sofia.

When they find your body, Sofia, there will be flowers growing

through your bones. Very cool.

Yeah, that's that's like that. That for me is the line of the

film. That's the MVP.

That's the fucking go at that. That was like, legitimately,

that was legitimately a beautiful line in a film that's

often really confusing, very stupid and occasionally

brilliant, which is why I think it's so compelling that people

in such a cult classic, and it's why Criterion, thankfully, is

finally picking up and putting it out there, you know?

Indeed, got I speak Joe and his final scene.

The past cannot be unfrozen. You can only chip away at it.

Frozen chip. Yeah.

Subtext. Yeah, I know, right?

And then finally we've got Gunter of, during this

confession scene, the priest. I've killed men who have trusted

me. And the priest says then you

know what must happen next. Fucking threatening.

Threatening priest. Threatening priest man, Italy,

everyone. Very frightening man with the

cloth. Everyone's got a fucking Beretta

in the back pocket, even the even.

Even the priests, man. Indeed, we talked about some of

the critical reception of this film.

Yeah, I've got some. So I've got some Pinnacle.

We know it's you've got, you've got some pretty good reviews as

well, don't you? Yeah, so I want to I want to

talk about. So obviously this is like peak

Rodger Ebert and Siskel and Pauline Kael era sort of stuff.

The Rodger Ebert's review, I'm going to read Rodriguez, the

basin. It's not all of it, just a

section. I attended the screening with

two peers. One thought Gunter of to be much

like his unwindable pocket watch, temporarily suspended by

the pain of exile in all matters and especially sex.

The other believes, more simply that Gunter Off was asexual.

My own view in the matter is that a man who can conduct a

business meeting with a full faculty of mind and indeed even

faint boredom, while Sophia Loren places a cigarette in his

wife's mouth but contrives a half dozen reasons to meet with

a man who's obviously been assigned to kill him, cooks that

man Pastor, pass that man to sing for him, and then permits

that man to stab him as a committed, if a successful,

homosexual. So they were talking about the

pastor. Yeah, I know, right.

Yeah, that's all. And obviously the stabbing in

the in the boathouse, which would be like skirts past.

In any case, Gunture of sexual ambiguity is the point is one of

the many clockwork gears sitting beneath the movie's face, all

working in a concert to cast doubt upon the viewers.

Evidence. Who is Gunture of?

What does he believe? What does he really desire?

One has a sense that Gunture of was almost glad to die rather

than learn the answer. And that's from his four-star

review in the Chicago Tribune. Fucking amazing.

Incredible great. That's so good.

But he's he's a big fan of mean streets as well.

So then that kind of. Tracks, yeah.

Does track, yeah. Anyway, hit me up with these

dudes from the peanut gallery. OK, right half of three star

review from someone called horoscopes Gumtrov 1973 directed

Martin Scorsese might be a mafia movie The Sigma male film Bros.

But to me she is like if a traumatised Russian mercenary

who dreams of a quiet house on a hill but cannot escape the blood

on his hands. Was my girl mutual number one

baby. This makes up for all of the

night in 74 Oscar snobs says says Crash Course 201.

I think the reason so many film Bros hate Ganshirov is because

Katya actually got fleshed out was a character as opposed to

like both of the Scorsese women. I mean it wasn't perfect and

there was select the infamous beer bottle scene but like Cybil

Shepherd lived, gave cunt and then faked her death but nobody

ever talks about it. It has five days at the end of

it. I did not pick up the idea that

she faked the death. It looks like it looks pretty

final. It does look, look, look final,

but I mean, that's open for reinterpretation, I guess.

We've got some heads, kind of. Yeah, we have that.

Seaman Gonstrov went to Milan to set up bank accounts and

Scorsese daringly put in a 20 minute long take of the Nero's

character setting up savings accounts in his three daughters

name, specifying the interest rate and the authorised people

who could withdraw money to be the camera work just made that

whole scene the most memorable. 5 stars from Comcast

Cablevision. I don't think it's 20 minutes.

I think it's like 7 1/2 or so, but still, it is wild.

It's long enough, yeah. 2 1/2 stars from Tatzler worming.

After I saw Gansher off I walked out of the theatre normally and

without incident. Someone then responds in a

comment liar and they respond fine.

I did the Gansher off walk. I hate this fucking website

anyway. Cannibality.

People like control of existence left completely intact.

It's propaganda and you're all too stupid to notice because of

the gay subtext. I've.

Got I've got a couple here as well.

Pepper these in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You're throwing in through and it's having a great.

I've got This movie has three separate love triangles and none

of them are heterosexual. Yeah.

Guntarov and and Andrea look at each other like divorced parents

at a school play. My God fucking do as well.

It's like what a cool parent. And Spain.

Then we'll literally start a mafia war instead of going to

therapy. Katya and Sofia should have run

away together and opened a bookstore.

And Guntarov? I trust you, Andrea.

You shouldn't. Guntarov.

Understandable. Have a nice day.

Yeah, four-star view. Yeah, I'm sorry.

Sorry. Fake news. 4 1/2 star from She

already killed. When he thinks we're going to

fuck. When?

Really. I'm about to explain the clock

symbolism. And Martin Scorsese, he's going

to shower. Off to him for three hours.

Ivan Ghansharov this, Nikolai Ghansharov that.

Why? Will you guys realise there's a

reason we don't know his first name?

The point all caps is that we don't know Ghansharov is a

family name and whether Ghansharov used to be told he

went up and being the head of the family.

He doesn't have a personal name to denote who he is outside of

his mafia persona. I did not understand that review

at all. And one star from someone called

Satan worship. I had Ghansharov once, but a

shot cleared that right up and a great 1 he had to finish on from

Fantastic fables broke. The fact that Consharov lights

Andrew's cigarette for him with his own cigarette with a hint of

great affection in a scene under the rainfall symbolises his

longing for the entirely fictional life he believes Andre

may offer him, and the fact that both of their cigarettes go out

in a few seconds foreshadows how his destructive desire will ruin

them both. Woke.

The cigarettes go out because they're standing in the rain

with no umbrellas. Symbolises the fact that they're

both really fucking stupid. Scene perfect.

No notes. Wow, great, Ryan.

What what Catterick is healthy remaining?

I think we're going to. Spend the wheel of directors.

Have we got all this? So as we've done our previous

episodes, we're going to spin little wheel of names I've got

here that lists directors and films that have been done

previously on clear and present Dudes.

We'll just do it with the once this one time and it has come up

on John TNN Hunt for. Metal.

It should be, but yeah, from of of Die of Die Hard and Hunt

wrote to the female and latterly, as I discovered a bit

of a week, the remake of Thomas Cronifer.

But yeah, go on. I think this film would have

lost a lot of its second of Scorsese Lane Caleb kind of

panache, to be honest thing. I don't think the film would

have gone quite as hard under a #10 and I mean, I will.

Say that. The action sequences would

probably have been like better. Do you think that could have?

Do you? Do you think you would have

handled the incredibly gay subtext?

You think we've handled them well?

I do it. Definitely would have there.

Would have been there still, yeah, I think.

He wouldn't have told them or anything.

Neil Breen would have. Everyone in the film would have

wanted to fuck Neil Breen. Just wait until it explained me.

Jesus, right? If you'd asked me a couple of

weeks ago what I think John Mcteon and Gunter would have

been like, I would have said like, Oh yeah, Like, the action

seems to be better the store, the story would be more

comprehensible, and it would have been like a tightly

scripted thriller rather than like, whatever the fuck this is

then. Since then, though, I watched

The Thomas Crown Affair, and now I'm convinced that this film

would have been just fucking sex scenes the entire way through.

It's been fucking and fucking and fucking and fucking and

fucking with a really light story which is designed purely

to put you into reasons where you can can see Pierce Brosnan

fucking and fucking and fucking and fucking I.

Like that actually. Yeah, wild movie, absolutely

insane film. Hard recommend.

Should should we give up one more spin guys?

Yeah, dude. Well, say you didn't get a

chance to. Answer but shit sorry man but

the next one is going to. Be there you go.

Sonia, how would how would this film be done under the adept

hand of Neil Breen? Well, you you've taken the the

the big bit that everyone would have wanted to to or or.

It it it. Probably would have gotten

renamed to to to getting off. It'd be gun gun contour of in a

colon. They'd be Gunture of the the

Tortured Poet or something. Kings fall, cities fall.

I came from Russia to move in on the Neapolitan mafia.

She is. Taking away my wife, I can't

believe she's doing it. She can't be getting away.

With that, I am going to just shoot this stupid.

Shit. Yeah, so, so your point, Preen,

right, is like is obviously like a bit of a megalomaniac.

And whenever he puts himself in a film, his character is like,

is like pure as the driven suit, right.

Yeah. So there's no way that gunshot

is still a crime boss. Guntrov is just is.

Guntrov is just a guy who happens to be in Naples as the

rest of the story is happening. Either that or it's like half

alien half Angel fucking psychic. 3000 Rule of God,

Emperor of Mankind. You know, yeah, that.

All right. So Gontrov.

Yeah. Gontrov is like the the Godda

brew of mankind. He's 3000 years old.

He has a second hand underneath his actual head that will get

revealed once in an awkward green screen scene.

And he never had a beard. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And Beard and it'll be like, and then you'll see like Mario and

Brasini, like like, like backhanded slap his girlfriend

or something. And he'd be like, that's not

nice. And then you'll like touch.

Like he'll touch like Mario's with his hand And then like

he'll immediately develop like palsy.

Yeah, yes, he touches hands. Like I've given you cancer now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, like, the entire,

like, last five minutes of the film is like, everybody killing

themselves. Yes.

My God. Of ticking clocks would just be

stock images that aren't moving. Get amazing.

Yeah, about the same three clocks, yes.

Yeah, or it would be the same shitty clock green screened on

different buildings. And he wouldn't have managed to

get any of the Italian National Football team in OR, that's for

fucking sure, guys. And that explosion of the

boathouse would just be like a composited that would.

Be so fucking bad. Explosion.

Yeah, like a PowerPoint style sound effect.

Yeah, cool. It would suck.

What are we at now for categories?

I think think all we've got left is the CIA thing, which doesn't

really. Yeah, this this film is film is

CIA neutral, I suppose it doesn't operate in any kind of

space in which they say you are involved.

A massive massive massive stretch would be maybe that

revolutionary group is like ACIA front like for a for a colour

revolution thing, but no. No.

This is just another CIA neutral film.

Be so, yeah. So I think we are at the end of

our podcasts. So all that is remains to say is

that we have been. Clear and clear as in April.

Fools get dunked on. There was 2.

Wasted your valuable time. This one doesn't exist.

We have we have wasted your time.

As Mike said, this film does not exist, and neither does its

purported sequel, Gunshot 2. A Guncha.

A Gunsha Oh, thank you so much for giving us your time.

We've gone too far. Gone, gone.

Gone too soon, yeah. We've gone stickers to the sun.

We did. That was, that was utter chaos.

If you're listening to this on April Fools Day, then then, then

you, you are the fool. If you're not, we are the fools.

We are the fool. We are the fool.

In the words of Tommy wasso everyone betrayed me and I am

the fool. The.

Fool, should we do a real one? We really have been actual clear

and present. Dudes, dudes.

OK, there we go.

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