Three Days of the Condor (1975)

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listened to last week's episode about Firefox from my need to,

I've mentioned about a poll that I ran a little while ago about

who was the best Jack Ryan. And as you know, if you listen

to that one, it was a dead tie between Harrison Ford and Chris

Pine. So on the episode for Firefox, I

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That's how referendums work. So I end up getting was another

dead heat, but this time between Harrison Ford and Alec Baldwin.

So that's what was at the right direction.

I'm going to leave that subject for a little while now.

I think we've established that the people just don't know who

the best Jack Ryan is. But maybe one, once we've

covered the rest of the Jack Ryan products, maybe people will

be bored formed, Who knows? But yeah.

Speaking of, you know, Jax, Ryan and then multiple going back to

Jack Ryan Singular, it's been a little while since we've had an

update on the bear and the dragon.

Have you got one? Yes, so the last time we even

mentioned the Bear and the Dragon book club.

Of course we didn't in the last ones.

We would have felt wrong without Sonya being here.

Plus also it mentions some things that Sonya may have some

angry insight on being a former retail employee.

Now it's been a little while since I've since I've had this

absolute slab of like 9 billion pages of late stage Clanceyism

techno with FELLA on my daily commute to work.

We returned the book with things now really obviously kicking

off. Things are getting very heated

between America, between China. China's also gearing up for a

land grab to try and get territory in Siberia where

they've made massive, massive findings of mineral wealth and

gold and oil. And the funniest bit is probably

because Tom Clancy kind of got really into writing about the

economy in in books like Debt of Honour and and stuff like that.

Debt of Honour has like economic warfare and stuff.

He thinks long and hard and ruminates strangely on what the

effect of blackballing China and ruining China's reputation is

going to have on like consumer goods.

Retail in the States and Taiwan in the novel capitalises on this

by shipping separately via via various Taiwanese political

pressure groups in America, stickers with the Taiwanese flag

and we are the good guys on it. Which retail staff are then

expected to peel off and individually, individually put

out all these made in Taiwan products.

You can tell a Tom Clancy never worked at Walgreens.

You know, he was, he was never, he was never working coal fill

at Dollar General or whatever. Now, Sandy, you and I have both

both both worked retail. You've worked more retail than

me. On a scale of 1 to becoming a

Japanese airline pilot and flying your 747 into the

capital, killing almost all of the US government, how upset

would you be if you were had to individually peel off?

We are the good guys stickers and put them on all Taiwanese

products. This is something that Tonya has

never had to think about ever in his life.

Roy. And now he's and memories of

workmen retail. What do you mean we as a good

guy? No.

Incredible. Individually having to peel off

stickers is not something that registers as particularly stupid

in retail, to be honest. That is true, That is true.

But. No, another day in stupid town.

Absolutely fair. I was expecting a more explosive

reaction there. I mean, it's not like I'm trying

to poke the bearer on Ethan. It's no, that's like I can

explode if you like that, but like it's it's hard to beat like

having to deal with old people losing their shit because you're

out of their favourite, I don't know, type of water.

Someone in earnest. Someone in earnest.

This water is too dry. Yes, or someone in earnest

wishing you a bad weekend because of that.

Incredible scenes. OK, mom, please leave.

Incredible scenes. Like like retail would be great

if it wasn't for the customers. Yeah, 100%.

When I worked in retail back in the day at Wilkinson's, I

remember a guy came in and he wanted one of those little

aerials that you take when you're on a caravan holiday and

he needed to, to get like the TV so you can watch like Heartbeat

or whatever when it's raining because it's the UK and it's

always raining. It was really head up because I

had been drinking by the way as well.

And this was like at about 1:00 PM on a Saturday and it comes

in, we asked as if we've got any.

And I was like, I don't think we'll do I'll have a look in

the, the the warehouse. And he literally balls up his

fists and he's like, oh, you're better.

Like I'm like, yeah, cool, awesome.

And then I just like went round the security of guns.

Hey, give us a quick pat down. I'm going for a 5 minute break

and just left the building. Just left the building.

Yes, she wanted me. So that was one of the funny

things. And we've got the plot and a

careening of the point when Russia joins NATO.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just 11111 great quote.

Rush hour is Emin is imminently going to join NATO.

And this is big like NATO conference.

Basically America says NATO, Russia is going to join and

everyone says cool, OK. Like there's no arguments at

all. 0 arguments is like like, Can you imagine Poland instantly

saying cool and this NATO conference actually happens in

Poland, yes. So Poland is totally happy with

its, its former colonial occupier, you know, joining

NATO. And just so there's a great

scene when President Tom Clancy, I mean, sorry, President Jack

Ryan is in conversation with the Russian President.

Russian President says Plato said only the dead have seen the

end of war. Jack Ryan responds, So are we to

be bound by the words of a Greek that lived 25 centuries ago?

I prefer, sorry, I, I prefer the words of a Jew who lived 5

centuries later. It's time, Sergey.

It's fucking time. I don't think that's in the

Bible, dude. And now we're reading of the

from the letters of Jesus to the Russians.

Dear Sergei, it's fucking time. Yours in Christ Jesus.

So say we on. There we go.

Go Should we talk about the movie?

Absolutely, please. So we are recording this on

Saturday the 20th of September and just of the day Robert

Redford, Titan of cinema, so producer, director, godfather of

independent cinema in the USI would say passed away sadly.

So in the clear and present dude space, he appeared in like a few

notable thriller movies. 3 Days of the Condo which we're doing

today of course in 1975 and then in 1976, all the President's Men

ready to deliver that fantastic performance as Bob Woodward

uncovering the Watergate scandal me by dialling Rotary phones and

having shading meetings with Deep Throats.

But today we are here talking about 3 Days of the Condor

screenplay by Lorenzo Sample Junior based on the book 6 Days

of the Condor by James Grady. Lorenzo slammed one quick land

of Coke and whilst spending his script for Flash Gold and said I

can do it in three. And then directed by Sydney

Pollack and starring Robert Redford, Faye Dunaway and Max

Wanzidou and Cliff Robertson and John Hausman and this is one of

the seven movies that Sydney Pollock did with Robert Redford.

But I think this this might be the the only real spy filler 1.

So yeah, cool, a lot to go through.

Shall we watch the trailer, gentlemen?

Let's go, we all synchronised. 3K2 on this.

Is a major identification. What identification?

My name is Turner. I work for you.

What? Is your designation.

Condor. But this is really well cut.

Yeah, everybody. Doctor Lap, Janice, Ray, Harold,

everybody is dead. I'm not sure.

I'm not music on this trailer. Yeah.

I work for the Ciai am not a spy, I just read books.

We have games, we play games. What if seven people killed?

I'll need your help. Have I ever denied you anything?

Do you believe the Condor is really an endangered species?

I. Don't expect too many mistakes

from this night. So cool.

Incredibly, incredibly upscaled in 4K, but it looks, it looks so

good. For it, it does look really good

yeah, it's a good version. I wish you can't always say for

things to open up scaled so the movie I'll do a little bit of a

plots beginnings bit far from the the wiki as I always do.

So it stars Robert Riffers. He plays Joe Turner.

He describes him as a bookish CIA analyst.

First of all, I take issue with him being described as bookish.

He's like cool as heck, and he is.

Yeah. You know, he dresses awesome.

He's like a cheeky chappie. Everyone loves him.

All that little scamp at Jordan. He's not bookish, but yeah.

OK. Code names Condor.

And he works at the American Literary Historical Society in

New York City, which is actually a clandestine CIA office in

which the staff analyse print media from all around the world.

And then he files a report to CIA headquarters on a further

novel and which has got strange part elements.

And it's been translated into several languages despite poor

sales. That's kind of the beginning

part. What I really love about the

intro of this movie, guys, is the vibe it creates for the

office. The music's a bit like full on,

like the first thing he has is big funky music.

But I love like, feels really lived in, doesn't it?

Absolutely. Yeah.

It feels like a real work in office.

Once again, everything circles black.

Once again, everything circles back to Tommy say.

But it feels like how the CIA office looks at the start of

some of all Fears. That office feels but lived in.

It feels a bit cramped. It feels a bit like almost

downward heel in this and this literary society offices

definitely downward heel cramped people working in individual

rooms like there should be because I hate open plan offices

with a passion. The need to go quickly lived in

is right and you. Know what it feels like?

Do you guys watch Slow Horses or seen it on Apple TV?

Haven't seen it, no. All right, this is awesome.

It's based on the novels by Mccarran about AMI 5 little

section house type thing in London.

But it's where they pop all the mad, bad and sad kind of MI MI 5

agents. Yeah, but that place is like

super depressing and it's kind of like a it's almost like a

deconstruction of this. It's like a it's really

depressing. It's like really run down.

Everyone's like always bicking with each other and they hate

each other. This is like a nice version of

that. This is like if like on the

opposite side of the street. They had like the like the

opposite like say of us where everyone's amazing, the better

and better funded everyone gets on.

Yeah. Like, it's like, like it's

really benign. It seems like a nice workplace.

Yeah. You've got like the Snooty old

guy who's like you must find it procedures and you've got like

the older one killer security guy who probably hasn't seen

like live combat in like 40 years or.

Yeah, I mean, that can be attested by the fact that he

that he takes his time to, you know, arm himself when the time

does come. He, he's not like, he's not

watching things like a hawk. He's not in his freaking

sheepdog era, you know, like it seems really benign.

It seems quite chill. I would like to work there.

Yeah. It's.

A It's a beautiful building. Yeah, it's a beautiful building,

relatively well placed for delicatessen where people are

friendly. Indeed, just around the corner

and his his girlfriend works in the office and no one minds.

Absolutely. Yeah, right.

Yeah, no, it's. Cool, you've you've got a super

paranoid receptionist who's got a 45 in our in our in our

drawer. I'm a massive fan, massive fan

of films where the receptionist heavily armed.

So what this one Obviously we've got true lies when the

receptionist at the Super secret above the CIA on mega level

crazy spy agency that Arnie works at who's got a cocked and

ready to go Taurus under the table and in a holster of course

got Captain America the first Avenger where there's a Thompson

gun under under the receptionist desk.

Yeah, it's it's mood. I think that there should be

standard issue for all receptionists.

It was like a movie where the the incongruous person has a big

gun or yeah, beat somebody up or something, or like just a bit

where they stamped to somebody. What's the same to that little

lady who was in in Carnival and she was in a but the scene I'm

thinking of this when she's in Kindergarten Cop and she's a bit

where she like punches this guy and calls him again.

SOB. Yes, like that's deployed from

my yeah. Deeper cuts.

Yeah. But yeah, I love that.

Yes, you get that. So he works at his office.

His whole big deal is that he all they do is they read books,

they read all those print media from all around the world and

then they put it into these kind of funky looking computers that

scan it. Yeah.

Which looks really space age. I got a cool rich your future

kind of way. I'm not sure that technology I

don't know. Generally, I don't honestly have

no idea if this is real or not. Looks it looks funky though, and

you can tell he's a good cultured guy and you know, he's

getting really good at doing his like Oriental calligraphy and

stuff. He seems to understand and read

different languages and things. And a project he's working on at

the start of the movie is he's found this spy book or spy novel

with interesting like plot devices.

But it's been translated even though it didn't say very well.

It's been translated into a bunch of different languages.

And the languages are a bit odd as well.

So you've got like Dutch and Arabic, but not German or

Spanish or French, like none of the not always the major

languages. So that's what I kind of start

things off since there's support in, but it's already kind of in

play, isn't it? So he's already submitted this

report presumably a while back, because the movie starts with

somebody sitting in a car observing everyone's movements

into the building, taking off when everyone's inside.

And then the instigating incident, I suppose, is the

attack on the office, the the assassinations of all of

everyone who works there. What do you think about that?

So cool it was great. Neither rain nor sleet nor snow

nor hail will stop the US Mail, especially if the postman's got

a suppressed Mach 10 under his under his reso brain poncho.

Good use of the bad well to give them like extra like, you know,

kind of like low visibility, I guess like ah, the well is

rubbish. This is great.

They can wear bulky ponchos with the heat underneath it.

Imagine if like the plan was like foiled by like like bizarre

heat wave and and like the postman's got to do it and like

little shorts and like short sleeves and he's just walking

around with this, like with this, just mark with a gigantic

can on the end of it. And it's like, no, this is this

is my emotional supports of machine gun.

Pretty cool. Brutal clinical emotionalist,

dispassionist with ACT. Kind of shocking even now.

What for? Somebody came out 1975.

Watching it now, it's pretty like.

It's pretty brutal, yeah. Just getting down that old lady

straight away, going down like the old girl.

Yeah, like no mercy. The bit, well, God, Max wants to

do walk into the room where Janice, the name is, is the kind

of girlfriend. And he's like, just move away

from the window, please. And he's like super polite, move

away from the window, please. Yeah.

And then she's like, I won't scream.

And then Bah Bah Bah bang submachine.

Yeah. It's like, I know.

Yeah. Very grim.

Incredibly grim, Yeah. Yeah, really, really well done.

And I like the set up for it all as well.

So I, I like that Joe is like his, one of his weird little

quirks is that he's like tracking the weather, like down

to the minute. Yeah.

Like it's going to it's going to stop raining at 11:30.

It's it's, it's the opposite of I don't watch weather I watch.

People. Yeah, yeah.

God, what the world's. Let's not talk about what the

world. 'S again.

No, never. Let's stop it.

Yeah, that's great. I like that.

And then he has that whole little thing.

His patterns of life is that whenever it rains, he runs out

through the back exit for this, through the basement, through a

little hole in the fence, you know?

From a block. Targetable actions that

inadvertently avoiding targetable actions by doing some

that would have been a targetable action if they'd been

watching him long enough. Yeah, yeah, that's great for me

that. So obviously he doesn't go

through the up through the front door like they would expect

Yeah, that's cool. So I love that.

And then obviously he goes to the deli, gets his sandwiches,

comes back, finds the yeah. Some, yeah, some great band with

the guys at the deli as well, the customers.

That's absolutely brilliant. It's that's just Class 1.

I love it. Friendly, jovial Bandai.

He's obviously a really cool guy.

And like you said, it's great because this film's like, look

at this bookish Turbo nerd and he walks into this deli and he's

literally the coolest guy there. And everyone was like, hey man,

it's just freaking golden gods just walked in.

But yeah, nerd, look at him. Look at him with his reading.

With his reading and his calligraphy.

He's ever lived. Yeah.

Like, it's Robert Redford was tried out for the role, but

doesn't. Hoffman got in The Graduate and

they told him like, like, there's no way you can be in

this movie because, like, you're not believable as a loser.

And he's. And he's like, what are you

talking about? I can be a loser.

And they said like, yeah, but look, no one's going to look at

you and think that you ever struck up with a girl.

And he's like, what do you mean struck up with a girl?

And he's like, he didn't understand the concept of

striking out with a girl because he's that's.

Incredible. It's like it's like, wait a

minute, there are people out there who are distracted to be

no, no, but it's like you can bet he was humble with it as

well. He wasn't like, actually, I'm

Robert Redford, superstar. That's it.

I can play a loser, you know. Yeah, I read a tremendous little

bit in the Guardian this morning.

That's that was basically like they say, never meet you heroes.

They're they're wrong. And it was a big long bunch,

like got about a dozen different people all talking about the

amazing experiences they had working with for for his entire

career, first time directors working with him, like in the in

the 2000s when he still was absolute behemoth and him just

being super humble and super nice and just saying like, tell

me what you want from me. I won't look at the monitor.

I'm actually just do you know, and this point, obviously he's

like prolific and acclaims director.

So yeah, I know. Yeah.

Really wonderful guy, you know, So it's a big, big loss.

So Joe Turner returns back to the office, finds all his Co

workers dead. Pretty grim.

And again, really believable. Good, good from him, I think

because he, you know, his usual self walks in.

He's so divorced from the possibility that anything bad

could happen because he doesn't see himself as a service person,

doesn't see himself or see what they're working in their working

environment is something that people would target.

Because in his mind he's just like, just a guy who reads books

and doesn't really think about like, who's reading books for

us, I guess. Yeah.

So the idea that harm could befouled and is like just

completely absent from him. Yeah, I mean, it's a really kind

of like unsecured building as well.

I mean, obviously they've got like the CCTV that he plays

games with and hates face and stuff like that.

And I haven't got like a super steely security guard who's

like, no, pull that hat back up and let me see.

It's really your kind of thing. There's no battle attacked or

anything. So yeah, it doesn't even show

that much for your own trepidation when you realises

that the doors open, which would have been like, you know, maybe

a major red flag if like you lived in a market.

Well, if you live and worked in a more secure kind of place with

like kind of multiple like authentications and I don't

know, maybe just we can metal attackers and.

Stuff that's it's a pretty is again, so it's sort of

disconnected from the rest of like the the broader machinery

of like of the CIA that yeah, you just didn't have that sort

of appreciation for like what a combat indicate would be that

something's wrong, something's a miss.

It's meant a lot because even as a regular human being living in

New York in the 70s, you would assume that your front door

being slightly ajar is like. Would be like not good,

suspicious. Crime in might have occurred.

Yeah, yeah, but yeah, looks around sees everything he needs

to see goes and finds his girlfriend, which is pretty,

pretty harrowing yeah. And we like her like straight

away she's like. Yeah, she's super likeable.

Yeah, so that's that's particularly sad.

He then flees for the building, takes the 45 and then makes a

very panicked and again very non military, non espionage type

phone call from a pay phone to to his.

I guess it's like the equivalent of the GP controller at the CIA,

the Major. The major Yeah, Following on in

the tradition of New Way Out and Tom Clancy's Up Centre, once

again we we have a dude in a wheelchair in an operations

room. Yeah, that's a weirdo officer in

that because he's got like this cool desperate thing on it, and

then he's just looking at a display in front of which just

seems to be a a big picture of the world.

That's just set dressing, isn't it?

Like you're not meant to interrogate that too closely,

like. Well, it's just said kind of

what it's like a do it for her kind of thing, isn't it?

Right. It's like, dude, for the free

world, especially the bits that's swollen because of the

Makita line and all that, you know?

Don't forget about the little blue dot.

Blue .0 Good God. But yeah, so and it's a very,

it's a very kind of like clinical telephone call them in

the mid like the they just said of things like, are you damaged,

that kind of thing. Like like I said, Oh my God, I

heard it's like a damage. It's very depersonalised,

dehumanised. It shows just just how I think

you can describe Robert Radford's character.

I was being barely in the CIA, you know, like he's barely a

spy. Well, he's not spies.

He's a guy who reads books. But yeah, barely.

He's barely part of the espionage intelligence world,

you know? It's the major probably if you,

if you just take these kind of calls and from operatives on the

ground like he's used to reading off that script and they're used

to hearing it and answering those questions and the order

they come in kind of thing. Or at least they've been trained

to do that, I should say. So, you know, interesting.

They could have, I suppose there's an element there that if

you are in that job, you presumably you should get some

kind of training that says like you work with a whole gamut of

people in this area from from pointy and operators to, you

know, adolescent human sources and stuff.

On the other end of the scale. And you should be able to have

the emotional intelligence to talk to everybody in different

ways. But to make to make the point

it's, but this is making the point that he's not, he's just

not like he's not militarised at all.

And even go through his it's like scant military service in

order to get to take advantage of the GI Bill later on, don't

they? He did two years, which is like

nothing. I spent longer than off EQ.

So in signals, which of course so he did signals didn't he was

in, he was in, he was in signals.

That's the. Classic.

That's the classic routes to intelligence, isn't it?

Yeah. And then of course that comes to

play later on with his phone freaking and stuff.

And there's just incredible analogue trade craft.

I'm sitting there just like. Yes, it's really good.

Phone freaking phone Jack and switchboards.

Yeah, I love that. Hook it to my veins.

And that's the cool thing about this this, this character,

because this is like really obvious stuff here.

But we've seen through his demeanour and through his kind

of interactions with the company that he's not like, he doesn't

view himself as a spy. Maybe he hasn't got all the

training, but he's super smart and adaptable.

And actually he's a natural, not to make a guy Robert Redford

upon, but the natural. But, but he's he's a natural and

like and like dudes. Maybe if you were like on a

slightly different temperament, you could have been really,

really good at this. Yeah, I mean, he certainly,

certainly proves that later in the film with just as, I mean, a

few absolute masterstrokes, not getting ahead of ourselves too

much. But the way he covers his

movements and essentially Sniper proves himself by just creating

a group of people in which to hide and conceal himself within,

you know, it's, it's, it's tremendous.

It's so good. I'll try and canter for some of

the plot, I guess, because there's a lot going on.

It's a dense, dense plot. I don't know how they've

shortened it down from six days to three days, because that's

Hollywood baby. That's Hollywood, baby.

Yeah, Hollywood moves fast and breaks things.

So it's so I guess is so the beginning of it for him is is

pretty horrible. So his first, not in 24 hours,

his first like 4 hours are incredibly stressful.

He wants to try and come in. They don't want to bring him in.

There's obviously two different the arms of the CIA here.

There's like the core CIA who is doing their daily routine

business. And then there's the little set

to the CIA, which we soon, which we later later find out towards

the end of the film is ruined by this guy called Leonard Atwood,

who is trying to hush a project that he's he's been hard running

in the background and in this taking everyone out from within

the company to do that, which is a bit rogue.

But because he's so unfamiliar with the procedure, he's like

he's distrustful of everybody and he's right to be distrustful

because the people that that are being used to bring him in

aren't on his side. They get a guy, a friend of his

called Sam to meet him in an alleyway by the hotel.

But there's a guy Wicks there with him as well.

He was from the company and Wicks, who we thought when you

first meet him, you think he's all right.

He goes fly to New York to do it himself personally and then

tries to assassinate him. And then then he does kill the

guy Sam, because obviously Sam's a witness now to what's

happened. They pin that on.

They don't they don't name him. They don't have a witness or

anything, but they name. They basically try and pin it

both shootings because our boy Joe Turner gets a shot off from

his 45 and takes up the leg of the Wicks guy trying to try and

pin both of them on on the him and he continues on the run.

I'm trying to get through this bit so we can get to the

exciting next bit, which was as he's fleeing the scene of the

alley from the shooting, he ducks into an outdoor store.

This movie's a stealth Christmas movie, so we can hear like,

silver bells. And everyone's like buying big

heavy coats and skis and stuff because we're all going to head

up north. Let's do some skiing and one of

you. So he starts hiding in the

clothes racks and he sees this woman buying some skis with some

cross country skiing. And it's Faye Dunaway who is

coming off the back of, I don't know when exactly it was, but

she came off Chicago Chinatown, which I think was the before,

yeah, the year before. So she's hot off Chinatown to a

Turner. As she's leaving the shop,

having bought her, he pulls a gun on her and basically

hijacked her car and they go back to her place.

And then begins the weirdest love story in movie thriller

history. It's so uncomfortable.

It's it's compelling, compels me though, but but it's, it's so

uncomfortable, right? Yeah, yeah.

Jesus, Sam. Yeah, yeah.

It's it's quite uncomfortable for the obvious sake, power

balance, number of reasons and stuff.

Also the fact that he falls asleep without with his 45

gangster and his finger in the trigger guard is like, and I'm

and I'm not just saying that some of the film firearm nerd,

but it's like I know how I sleep right, you know, and I assume

other people maybe aren't as restless as me.

There's no way someone is like, not going to, you know, I mean.

Yeah, that's one of many things that are wrong with this whole,

this whole liaison. Absolutely, Absolutely.

Yeah, so she saw us off pretty terrified.

She's pretty compliant straight away, but anything.

And you would be if someone's pointing a 45 at you.

Yeah. But then they get into her flat.

It's a weird, it's a slight. It's a weird shift in this

character as well. So I guess they're setting up a

Beauty and the Beast kind of thing.

But he's like, meant to be horrible or like a Heathcliff in

Kathy. She's called Kathy.

Holy crap. Yeah.

So like some sort of he's he's like Moody and terse and

horrible, which is weird because his character so far right, he's

had two min moves cheeky chappie at the beginning.

Everybody loves charming, lovely.

Everyone loves Joe or Joey as his friends call him.

And then he's obviously scared and on the run.

And because he's scared, obviously he's a little bit

stressed out so that we could probably give him a kind of a

bit of slack for being stressed out.

But some of the way he talks to her as soon as they're in here

flat as he's like sorry, like, colours mean and rude like.

I mean, he's, I mean, he's crossed the Rubicon hasn't he's

shot someone earlier that day. So, you know, that's that's.

That's probably chiefly on his mind.

Yeah, like it's been like transformative for him.

I mean, especially the line later on when she's like got

paraphrasing pictures, like I want to know more about, you

know, today, etcetera. And he's got, I don't know what

happened yesterday, today at Ray.

And it's like his gunfight is sort of a hard reset, really.

That's really good. Point gives them because my

absolute clarity it sharpens them and it just kind of erases

a lot of the a lot of his personality gets changed.

The kind of behaviour that was saying at the start pretty much

erased. Also just a really, really quick

sidelong one. I bet so many absolute like gun

range foods, 8 rounds isn't enough.

Kind of guys got really upset that the leg shot from a 45

wasn't like instantly like dismembering his leg and stuff.

Because there's, there's all that established food lawyers

like 9 millimetre kills the body, 45 kills the soul.

And it's like, and, and it's like that scene in that scene in

the Pacific when a guy's getting told about the night 11-O.

If you had a guy in the, the hand, it'll take his arm off and

stuff. And it's like, yeah, you know,

there's probably some people watching it like, Oh my God, no,

he's still got both legs. One of them hasn't been turned

into instant dust by the Super Calibre.

Yeah, myth busted. Yeah.

Yeah, ridiculous. God bless host.

So it turns out that that he's he's kind of doing Kafi A favour

by doing this because she's meant to be going on a skiing

holiday with a boyfriend who sounds like a guy called Ben,

who sounds like an asshole. And I say that knowing the

trivia. This is Sydney Pollack's voice

on the phone. But he's being an asshole,

right? And she appears to be like, what

I'm going to describe is terminally flaky, incurably

flaky. Like, like, this is not the

first time, but she's apparently meant to be going on this trip,

and she's called it off several times before.

She just doesn't want to go skiing with this guy.

Stop trying to make her ski. She doesn't want to ski.

She wants to take photos. She wants to take.

Yeah, she was six years old. Yeah.

She wants to take photos in black and white and just be

cool. Yeah, in the book.

Not an awesome in the book. Yeah, in in the book, she's a

paralegal. Is she even going to Claire's

job in the movie? I just assumed she's a

photographer. He was probably, he was probably

kind of getting a bit of patronage from this guy who can

afford skiing holidays. I mean, I don't think it's like

to the level of no way out when he's paying for a rent, but I

think she'll probably kind of, well, I mean, there's never a

scene when she's like, Oh my God, I've got to go to work.

People would be expecting me. Yeah, yeah.

Work at work, you're going to call.

They're going to be like Robeson will leave.

Rory, you sucked, Rory. I mean, sorry, yeah, peace out

on employment. That's right.

Yeah. Because she's, yeah, she's a

photographer, as you say. Yeah, she takes that.

She takes these these extraordinary, It's worth

mentioning she takes these extraordinarily gleek looking

black and white photographs. Yeah.

Of not so much lands, sort of landscapes, but like scenes, St

scenes, trees there with no leaves, a view of a bridge

through the bits of architecture.

Yeah. You know these pictures that

evoke great loneliness, emptiness, which turn us,

describes not not autumn, not winter in between November.

Yeah. Saloon and he's like stripped by

and actually that's the first moment that they kind of connect

because she sees that, oh, this guy isn't like a thug and he

might be a bit, you know, crazy or whatever, but there's

something about him, you know, she's not initially believing of

his story, but eventually, as you alluded to, they have the

moment where they sleep on the same bed together while he's

holding a gun to her and then he wakes up.

Horrifying A Horrifying. Process.

It is grim. That's not the grimmest thing he

does, but it's up there. Yeah.

And then he gets up, he watches the news report, he sees the

news report, which just describes there's got a witness

and there's a police officer gets interviewed by the press

and the from the scene, the alleyway.

And clearly the, the company's been there.

And as perhaps everybody for what what the the party line is,

what the lines to take are with the media.

And it doesn't allude to a fugitive spy at least.

And it gives coverage at least for the two people who were in

that anyway. So it's like, oh, yeah.

And that tips him off the CIA aware of this.

They know, which makes him distressful of the CIA, as he's

quite right to be. But he makes a phone call to a

man played by Cliff Robertson, whose name I've forgotten

totally. Higgins, right.

Yeah. And Higgins is going to be our

sort of touch point with the part of the CIA that isn't

involved in the plot, if you will.

So he's he's his one line and they have a bit of interplay

from the rest of the movie now of Higgins wants to bring the

guy in, but he's distrustful. So Higgins can't just bring him

into the company. It's quite right too, because

people from being in the company are trying to kill him.

But it's good because it allows us to have a back and forth

every now and again. They'll have these meetings

throughout the movie. And obviously the final scene,

which we'll talk about in due course, is this great dialogue

scene. That wouldn't wouldn't happen if

there was no route to talk to the CIA.

So he plays a really important role for that point.

He arranges a meet with her using using Cathy to get into

get into her office and find out where he is and then get eyes

on. So then he can arrange a meet

later. So that's.

Which is brilliant. It's brilliant how in town 1870s

were a different time. He could just walk into the CIA

building and fill in some forms. And the World Trade Centre to

us. Yes, bloody hell.

Yeah. Oh, but we've skipped a couple

of little bits. So there's two cool things I

want to talk about first. Two cool things.

One thing is the first time that they have sex.

And so there's a bit where your boy Turner leaves the apartment.

And before leaving the apartment to make sure that she doesn't

call the police or escape or do anything, he ties her up and

leaves her there for hours on end, gagged, bound.

He comes back after doing his business, like, you know, make

some phone calls and scooping out his old apartment or

whatever and starts on time and takes the bad gag off and

they're talking. And then the soft jazz starts

coming in from out of I don't know where, just this little

saxophone. And as they're talking, she he

realises like offer for the conversation, but they're still

having like a pretty, pretty, pretty friendly conversation.

Why haven't you asked me to untie you?

And it's like, maybe she likes it, you know, maybe.

She enjoys it, yeah. And it's pretty weird.

Maybe, maybe she has a pretty unfulfilling and lonely life,

and maybe this is the most exciting thing that's happened

for a while, even though it's horrifying and she's holding

both those troops in her head at the same time.

And it's pretty weird. Maybe it's a better option than

the guy that she's meant to be saying in Vermont, you know?

Yeah, and we heard that phone call from from from the guy Ben.

And he he was pretty rude and pretty mean and pretty bullying

and pretty controlling. And, you know, apart from the

fact that this guy's been literally holding you at

gunpoint and tying you up, it's been pretty nice.

Far from that. Yeah.

So his standards are like, through the bottom of the floor

doing wrong. Yeah.

I mean, tasting. You think dating now is

difficult. Like, she was up against it, but

yeah. So then they start making out

and then there's a pretty wild sex scene.

And I say that because it doesn't hope it's very quickly

cut. There's lots of like push zooms

on stuff it intercuts with push zooms in on the photograph she's

been taking. So it's drawing this kind of

visual language. It's drawing like a end

equivalence with him making out with her and then him or her,

one of them, both of them potentially are thinking about

these photographs and what they represent her loneliness or it's

doing that. It keeps breaking the one AC

rule. So you like a view from one side

and a view from the other side pretty quickly.

Just stuff like that, really stylized, and the music is

slightly odd to it, I think because the music's a little bit

too generic, a little bit too like standard soft jazz for a

love scene. I was.

Going to say it's dead jazzy, isn't it?

It's got such a it's got such a jazzy soundtrack that I actually

like, but I understand it can be a bit divisive.

So do I I like it, but I think in this particular instance,

someone else who did a lot of like jazzy sounding music that

made it just creepy enough was Angelo Badlimenti and his work

with David Lynch. And I think if he, if he'd put

something on here, he would have just made it a little bit

creepy. That would have just made it a

bit like, yeah, this isn't, this isn't like a a love love scene.

This is like a toxic love scene. Yeah, this is like weird.

Yeah, because it is weird. Like the guy kidnapped you,

hijacked your car, kidnapped you.

He's holding you at gunpoint, is cutting you off.

Everybody, now you're within a day.

Yeah, You know, man, shout out where the Ford Bronco, there's

enough space in that to interrogate somewhat at

gunpoint. That's amazing, right?

Right, So I'm glad you brought that up because I, I noticed it

and I thought this would be too boring to talk about, but

there's a but maybe it's not. There's a there's a bit where

they're having a regular conversation in that car and

the, the clearance between the top of her head and like the

roof of the car is like over a foot.

I was like, did they did they build a Ford Bronco set for this

movie or something? It was like, what?

I honestly think with the size of the back end of the Ford

Bronco where you can literally hold a guy at gunpoint, there's

probably enough space to get like a big like Panavision

camera in there, you know, and somehow run power to it.

And they're just bouling around New York City on this like

gigantic 300 foot long power cable.

Let's just run into it through the back.

Ford Broncos man shout out not a.

Sponsor but says so much about her as well.

So like, yeah, it's like it's so at odds with like all the other

cars that are in in New York assigned.

And then like, yeah, you see it's covered in like mud and

like the streaks and all the windows.

It's just like, it's a bit careworn, you know, so.

She's like, so she's probably driving out the city on a

regular basis to do to do things right.

I mean, because like, why, why else are you going to have a

freaking massive Ford Bronco in New York City?

You know, best city in the world when you've, when you've got

like the best, best subway in the world, etcetera.

That's right. She's AI.

Suppose she's about to take a trip to Vermont.

Like going to, isn't it? Yes, I'm going to be taking a

trip to Vermont. Yeah.

Yeah. So yeah, that's that's cool.

I made I made so many Bernie Sanders jokes.

I'm sorry Sammy. I watched that was ex senator

Bernie Sanders. Although at that point he was

probably still living in New York and like stealing his

neighbours electricity and stuff.

That's cool. I am once again asking for your

electricity. He literally did as well like

when he was like a young guy like like a fire like he tried

to be a cotman. Iron was like a really bad ones.

He was like unemployed for ages and he was just like stealing

his neighbours electricity. It's like, that's my president.

I think the other bit we need to talk about is pretty rich,

actually. So there's the stuff with Sam.

So he goes to, so originally the star of the movie, he's talking

with Janice and they have plans leaving to go and have dinner at

his friend Sam's apartment. So he goes to that apartment,

sound, Barbara's apartment where it's just sound.

Barbara's miss it, They're making dinner and she is like

none the wiser. So the guy's been dead for like

several hours. She's none.

Otherwise she's been informed, even though the company

definitely knows about it. So no one's from the company's

informed her. Interesting.

So there's no compassionate cell.

We've come in like knocked on the door, no police or anything.

Even the boys almost certainly been identified.

So that's fishy. And so and she, she's nothing

about it. So he goes there, realises that

that's dodgy and something's up and that she's probably in

danger because clearly they're like getting rid of all the

witnesses for everything. So he leaves, and then he has

this really cool tense scene in the elevator of that building

with who should be there Max Funcido.

Yeah. So Max one said those whole

thing is really cool. We talked about him for a little

bit, so. Absolutely.

And so his his character is awesome.

So he's he's he was in the CIA, I guess, as they say that.

And then he's but he's French and his whole thing is that he,

he's tracking this guy down all the time, but he's not doing it

by like, I mean, he probably is doing some stuff, but you see

him like, get eyes on the registration plate of the cars.

It drives off and stuff. Yeah.

So, you know, he's like using trade crafts and precision and

stuff. But he's also like playing a bit

of a mind game and going, well, his friend Sam was killed.

He's probably going to go to Sam's apartment.

So I'll just look around there and wait for him.

Like he's doing that kind of stuff, which I think is really

cool. Yeah, man, he's incredibly

urbane. He's incredibly cool.

He's slick, like you said, the trade crafty, He displays his

accent, he's smart, cooled, dispassionate.

But there is a strangest bit of warmth about him towards the end

that we'll get into when we get into something about.

So I'll just circle back for a few moments.

When when Robert Radford's leaving his friend's wife's

apartment, you notice he turns all the gas on on on the stove.

Did he notice that? I think she's already cooking

and he turns it off. Right, so I thought it was

turned on. So I.

Guess so, she says. She says I'm cooking and he's

like telling us to go up to a neighbour apartment and stay

there until this kind of blows over, right?

So he's doing all that he's doing and everything.

Officer doesn't set fire I think.

Right. I thought it was like the

opposite way around. But it's, it's cool that he's

like thinking about that kind of stuff.

Yeah. I mean, yeah, like he becomes,

for a guy who just reads books, it becomes incredibly switched

on. Situational awareness is like

unreal. So he has that scene in the

elevator and again, you do like just just like you said, you get

like hints of Max one to those warmth mix a little comment

about because there's these two, these two kids come in like

teenagers, but they're probably played by guys in their 20s.

And then they come in and they like smash all the buttons on

the elevator and they're just generally annoying and weird.

And he's like kids. They're like that everywhere, I

expect. And it's just like, oh, yeah, I

probably would like to. And then obviously does that

brilliant thing you mentioned earlier on.

So he knows that Maxim said has left the building 1st and

therefore is lying in wait to ambush him.

So he gets like crowd of people around him by saying he needs to

unlock his car. He's going to give 5 bucks to

the guy if you can Jimmy the car.

And then so everyone comes to watch.

So there's a whole crowd of people walking around him.

She creates his own little personal security detail.

Love how Max Fun said I was using what really appears to be

a mouse IC96 with the stock and the scope on it.

That's incredibly cool because I'm a I'm I'm I'm a scene 96

officino Ottawa. This is so freaking cool, man.

Like it's not the perfect spy movie of vibes, you know?

I just love that like, ah man, I don't know.

That's very cool. What's the next big thing?

I suppose the next Big 1 is now that that's been foiled, we do

get some scenes that sort of explain what's going on sort of

story wise. So you know that Maxim was a

free agent and he's being, it's just outside of the company.

Time to square all these killings away because because

Turner got away initially, everyone associated to Turner is

kind of being done for free. So he's an honourable

businessman if nothing else. The next thing we see is because

now that we've established that Maxim sort of recognises, sorry,

now that Turner recognises Maxim said it was your bear by by his

face, he now knows that he can't just approach him in street

anymore. So to use different means.

So the next thing we see is the morning after, the night before

Kathy's having a shower and then who should come to the door?

Some of your friendly local neighbourhood mailman.

And we have a, we have a bit of a bit of a confrontation there,

don't we? Yeah, that's the scene 1.

He's he's got a sign for the parcel.

So the the guy ends up kind of essentially forced entry behind

him. And this is the first time you

see Robert Redford kind of out manoeuvred a little bit.

Or is he? Because I mean, he's pretending

that like the is he? Is he pretending that the pen's

not working in order to get the guy into the house?

So my take on that was that the pen was already dry.

And so and the engineer that situation to get into the house

by having a dry pen, right? Because he was like, I have to

go back in and get a pen and he's like, oh, I'll just follow

you in. There we'll go, I.

Think that's his way of getting entry and I think that's a bit

of trade craft from the the assassin or.

Yeah, and some fingers as well. I mean, you know, when you're

like dressed as like AUS Mailman, that's like a federal

employee, right? So, so like people are like not

going to be willing to get in like a physical application with

a federal employee. Does that take fault?

Probably a felony, Yeah. So yeah, I don't cut that out.

I thought it's funny. That's.

A It's a felony to sort of on juicy mailman.

Probably, yeah. Federal employee, right?

So yeah. He's wearing the president's

uniform. He's doing given by his country.

They're basically troops. Yeah, Newman.

Yeah, yeah. So the next.

So right. So that fight is pretty cool.

I think there's a lot of like, because again, it's like a it's

a bit of a situational awareness.

It's a little, it's a scrappy fight, but it's things like

pulling rugs out of each of us from and to show his feet and

stuff and fire poker, fire poker.

Yeah, and fire poker. Would he go?

Would he not go? That's really cool.

Yeah, and there's always that, the kind of scene when there's

the fight over a gun, right? So like, he drops the Machinans,

but then he sees that the 45 on the table.

So now there's two weapons to play.

And it adds a bit extra cool quirks to the fight

choreography, you know? And then Kathy comes in and she

helps. Yeah.

And she doesn't have to. She could have said leave a

room. Yeah.

I mean, if the fight it's been lost.

I mean, she would have. Thought so.

Would she be so? Would she?

But she she still comes in and wears on the side of a side of

Turner. Yeah, I mean, Robert Redford's

got that kind of charisma that people will throw hands from,

you know? Yeah, yeah.

I mean, yeah, and he only uses that power for good.

Because yeah, yeah, he does what a wonderful guy he was.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tremendous.

So yeah, she does that. And this is like a almost more

than the more than the sex scene.

This is like a this is like a step change for the

relationship, sort of like the morning after the sex scene.

She obviously is a bit glib about it and a bit like weird

and a little bit like self deprecating, maybe self loathing

a little bit. Maybe she's a little bit ashamed

of herself for what she's been doing because of the she kind of

refers to herself as as the you're good old spy fucker,

which is very funny, but also like really acerbic.

Whereas after this she has oh, she has a bit of a party

attackers. It's pretty traumatic.

And then she gets all together and then they do, they plan a

little con together. They do a little Ocean's 11 type

thing together. They do a little con on on

Higgins to get out of the office.

Yes, and even give us our little bird code name as well.

Sparrow hawk, right? Sparrow hawk.

That's right. Yeah.

All right. Cool.

Yeah. And through that discussion with

Higgins, they hold a gunpoint in the back of the car for that

discussion with Higgins. They, they just, they find out

that this hit man is called Jaber and he's worked and Sue

and the guy, the mailman guy have both been, have both worked

for Higgins before. Yeah.

No, Higgins, sorry for Wix. Sorry.

The guy called Wix, who was the guy who was in the alleyway and

got shot and Wix has now been killed as well by Jaber.

So it's this is like Higgins discovering that, oh, there is

something fishy going on. It's not just this guy.

This guy isn't this guy actually might be telling the truth

because like, yeah, hinky. And then we don't have the

benefit of Gene Hackman announcing it for us like he

didn't enemy at the state. But this is when the tables turn

a bit and they start like going on the offensive and getting on

the front foot. So Robert Rifford now is

actively trying to track down Japan and actually trying to

find out who's working for. And he does it by doing the cool

thing you described earlier. But.

Yeah, the phone. Freaking.

Phone freaking he gets into the yeah yes I guess it's a

switchboard. Is it the internal and external

switchboard inside the whole day Inn in which which he's staying

at? Yeah.

So he's in the hotel and he's hacking all the hotel phones to

ring up to his room. Listen to.

His walking, I use his Walkman like record the dial tone and

then he he puts it through like it's like an automated service

that does kind of like tone recognition.

Then it reads the numbers back to them.

Or is it an agent at the end of the phone?

It's like it's automated, I think, isn't it?

I was. Going to put this down as yeah,

potential oversell. It's like an automated phone

service in 1975 that could listen to what you're doing and

translate it back, including dial tone analysis that's

listening to pitch and decoding it and then sing it back to you.

But it's. Also a bit of an oversell.

Yeah, I think it made drove ourselves well.

So it's kind of cut back a little bit is when they've got

the footage of Job getting getting eliminated and I've got

the little video of A2 CV getting blown up in Beirut or

something like that. And it's like, it's like the

least analogue thing about a film that's a very much an

analogue technology thriller it. Really is.

The bit the the bit with the street map when it's bouncing

around, that's. Exactly what I was going to say,

yeah. Yeah, the whole of the Bronx is

talking to each other or, or something like that.

The whole of Brooklyn's talking to each other.

One of the boroughs. One of the boroughs, one of the

to the five boroughs, one of the one of them boroughs.

Dear New York, this is a love letter.

I got shout out to the shout out to the listener that we had from

New York City show up on the the the.

We've had a few we have, right. So we've got a few from New

York. If we're going to do this after

bring up, I can, I can name some of them.

So obviously we've got like a lot of from New York State as a

whole. Yeah, we've got some from New

York, NY, somebody from the books, somebody from Queens.

Hell yeah, man. Yeah, we haven't had Manhattan

or Staten Island yet. Yeah, man, we need, we need to

collect them all. We're going.

To get them all. That's the point when we well.

I think it's no, sorry. I think we've got Brooklyn.

We haven't got the Bronx. That's it.

Yeah. We haven't got the Bronx.

We haven't got Staten Island, we haven't got Manhattan, the

Village, the service world. Anyway, sorry, you know, I

didn't steal it. Except I just did.

Yeah. Cool.

Right, man? Yeah, that bit's awesome.

But the the phone, the phone. And it keeps like the maps

jumping around and it's like doing that.

It's like a little pin that's on a big map that's getting moved

around, and it's got a little camera on it, a little pinhole

camera. Is it a good little?

I'm obscure it. Yeah, Yeah.

As a big clunks and clicks and words and tapes and things

moving, It's class. It's like proper analogue

espionage. Your Walkman's a weapon.

It's mint. I love that that whole, that

whole sequence there is, is really great.

And I'll tell you what I do love as well.

And it's got big vibes of being in a meeting with the conference

speaker as a as a way he's talking to Higgins and he and

he's uncovered information about this plot, this Leonard Atwood

stuff, the whole thing about the Condor being an endangered

species, all that kind of stuff. But meanwhile, Higgins is

sitting in office and he's got like the people he's talking

about opposite to him. And he's like, what's the

matter, Higgins? We're not, we're not pals

anymore. Like, what's the matter?

It's like, and he's just like, oh, man, stop talking or I'm

going to get killed next. So that's cool.

Yeah. I love that.

And I guess you guess it's jumped on pretty quickly.

So from nearly the end of the movie.

So we have we have one thing I need to talk about, which is

Kathy's exit from the movie. So Kathy's pretty much done at

this point. They've had their one night of

passion. She's helped him kill a guy in

her own apartment. And apparently that's the that's

the line. That's the line that that she

won't cross. The rest of it she was pretty

cool with. But but that's it.

No, it's not even that, actually.

So she has a teeth for goodbye and she looks generally good.

It's almost like her being super flaky is like beyond her

control. She's like stood there at a

train station with like Robert Riff opposite to it.

And he's got like a couple of days of growth now.

It's like golden hair, you know, He looks rugged AF.

It's like this guy's getting more and more handsome as the

movie goes on and she's there. Like, I can't get on anymore

because I feel like you're not, you're not going to last very

long and I don't want to. I don't want to fall for you.

And then I can lose. You shouldn't say this exactly,

but she's, you know it's between the lines, right?

Yeah. And so when I'm monologue, yeah.

Yeah, and then then she leaves. She just walks away and like,

there's probably a dead body still on a flock, but she's just

she's she's ready to go. This, this probably, they

probably could have been. And I bet it, I bet This is why

what happens in the six days in the book maybe, is that that

body gets like dealt with by them or the company can collect

it while their own. She gets shot in the book.

What she got shot in the book. Shot and killed.

Now shot and badly wounded, but survives.

Spoilers for the book? Yeah.

So that's the three days they took out of it.

The three days was just like 3 days rehab.

In rehab, in agony in the hospital.

Like the first two is exactly the same and then they have a

three day like city break in Boston and then they come back.

That's where she and that's where she gets shot in Boston.

She says something snide about the Boston Bruins and someone

just caps her. Someone whips out a high point

and just puts like 3 in her leg or something.

Yeah, someone like hits her. Bang Bang, bang.

Go Pats, go Pats, go fuck yourself.

Oh my God she says something disparaging about the dropkick

move. He's in just like 3 off duty

cops shooter. Was only an aisles or a hero

with this goddamn house. Oh my God.

That's awesome. Yeah, that's just gone.

And then there's not much left for the movie Zoom now.

So my only real criticism of the movie, actually I think about it

is, so Turner goes, having used Jubez's location and stuff, all

that he's figured out who he's working for, it's LED outward,

who's the Salia, deputy director of operations for the Middle

East. So he goes to his house and sits

in his that, and that's my favourite.

I love this bit. So he's sitting in the guy's

office in the dark, and he just starts blaring like really loud

disco music. He's just vibing, man.

It's great. He's just chilling.

I got you where I want you. You just got to where.

You need it there. You know, after, after multiple

deals on the run from the CI, some people just need to do a

light breaking and listen to some music just to relax, man,

just to chill, you know, just to like just to recenter yourself,

you know, just just got the tunes on and flex your ultimate

superiority by not only breaking into someone's house, but

listening to his records while he's asleep upstairs.

It's incredibly based. Yeah, it is.

Yeah. It's so cool.

That's another classic trope that we're going to see in a

whole bunch of these movies is the I've broken into your home

and I'm waiting for you troop. But yeah, awesome letter that

would handles it better than I would have done.

Like if I heard like music player in for my living room in

the middle of the night, I would have come and says like what?

The fuck? I mean, if you're the CI is that

be director of operations for the Middle East, your sidearms

enter in the room first, right? And it's bargain like and it's

and it's and it's not going to stop.

I mean, you're even going to do a couple of dead cheques on the

guy once he's on the deck and he's bleeding out, you know?

Whereas whereas your your boy Redford is very, very cool, just

sat there comes a key gun there. He's got the gun just like, go

in, let's have a chat. Yeah, stop.

When they turn that music off, I need to talk about that music

when we do noodle drops, by the way.

So then they they guess you guess that Leonard and he's

like, what's going on? What's this all about?

This is about that report. I put in what was in that report

and he thinks for a minute for like the first time in the movie

about what was in the suggestion of the report and putts like one

and one together and comes up with that.

It's all about the story. And the story was all about the

securing of oil supply in the in the Middle East, which would be

a genuine thing that, you know, I mean, it wasn't the time, but

then even more so through the 90s and all season down.

Yeah, like and what 1 is a glisten the names of the

countries involved like Libya, Venezuela and it's like and and

and I mean, yeah, I think this is the point when there's even

that little half a beat after Venezuela when he's like a that

incredibly oil rich country a a. I get oil.

Do you get bananas? Yeah.

So yeah, it does that. And it's like oil, which is

cool. But because we didn't get to

understand what his report was really about at the beginning of

the movie, it does come a bit, like, out of nowhere.

Yeah. Which I imagine isn't the case

in the book. Right?

The book must go into more detail.

I'm not sure it does. Yeah, I've only read a bit about

the book. I haven't read the whole thing.

I can't have time. But, yeah, I, I just.

Yeah. I've also not had much time this

week because I've been busy with my own little proxy war artwork,

which I can't really talk about, but still.

Yeah, Cool. So awesome.

He understands what's all about. And then we see walk into the

room, Max Foncito. And it's like, no jigs up, Max

Foncito's finally here. What's going to happen?

And then, surprising everybody, Maximum, he walks over that.

He tells Robert Ford to put his phone in front of the handle, at

least the handle, you know, the clock handle.

So the hammer even I should say and and then he takes his gun

off him and then you think right, this is it Ruff, it's got

to go. But instead the CIA through

Higgins have rehired Max 1 Sido for I guess more money outbid

him. So our honourable I'll do

everybody for free. Sorry, I didn't get the first

time. Our honourable goods businessman

is actually not so honourable and went for the highest bidder

instead, and they're now working for the CIA instead.

And then he's bang kills Len outward and goes right.

Well, the person who told me to kill you, dude, I'm just.

Just doomed. So he.

Suicides him. Yeah, yeah, he does that.

He. Suicides.

Him, he starts like wiping stuff down.

What else You touched him here apart from the chair?

Did you touch the lamp? He says you didn't say.

Did you put on a funk record 5 minutes ago?

I heard it from outside. Yeah, I was like, I was dancing

to that music outside, preparing to kill.

Yeah, awesome, man. Crazy.

So good. Yeah.

And then they have probably 2 iconic discussions that happened

in this movie. And the first one is, is right

after the scene. So they're walking out of the

house and the sun has come up. It's like mid morning twilight

kind of thing. And Max 1 Sido asks him like,

can I give you a lift? Do you want me to drop you off

anywhere? And he's like, I want to go back

to New York. And he says there's not a future

for you there. It will be when it happens.

It will be like this. And he just really coldly and,

like, calmly just lays out how an assassination by the CIA

would look to for Turner. He says you'll be going out for

a walk, and it'll be the first day of spring.

And you will see a car trundle up next to you.

And perhaps a door will open and someone steps out of it.

And it's a friend of yours, perhaps someone even you trust.

And he doesn't even finish it. It's like right now I can see

the branch in the wall. Like this is how they get you

and then you offer. Him a ride.

By the way. By the way.

Me, a person who kills you. I've I've just, I've just told

you we're cool. Do you want to get in my car?

Yeah. First mistake, last mistake.

I'd be like, you know what, I think I'll walk.

Thanks very much. Yeah, I think it looks good,

pretty good. And then, yeah, it just cuts to

the next, the very next scene to that.

It's like the end of the movie. It's he's on the street.

It's probably a famous St that I don't know the name of because

I'm not from New York, but he's on the street where the New York

Times is based. And he sees Higgins walk out of

his office, calls him over. It's obviously an extremely

famous because it's probably quite close to the Walter sender

calls him over. And he's like super paranoid

now, as he should be. And he's like, right walk like,

hey, let's just say that I've got a 45 in my pocket.

Would you want to go for a walk with me?

It's like, which way West walk through four steps ahead of me.

And I love that, by the way. And I'm sure you do as well

because it's a really bad thing in movies where someone holds

the gun into someone's spine as they're walking and you're like,

you just ask him for the spin around and have a gun taken off

you. Basically, yeah.

But have not got a couple of steps of separation.

Allows you to go shot before anything happens.

Yeah, I mean, you've got enough to just like pump a few in the

womb and yeah, and like I said, 45 kills the soul.

So he's, he's, he's, he's going to be blown into tiny pieces if

it's going to range funds that'll be believed evaporated

into dust. And there's a recurring theme in

this movie of, of Robert Redford's having trade calf vibe

from reading books. So he's probably read about that

in a book. Someone has internalised it and

just went, yeah, do that, yeah. So he's very good at turning

that information into action. So yeah, he's got a guy walking

ahead of him, Higgins. And Higgins has like, you can't

do this. Like, what do you think's next

for you? You know, you kind of get you

like, it's over. Either you come back in into the

company or you're going to be dead.

And then it turns out he's handed the story off to the New

York Times, where, as I said, like you play games.

I just tell stories. And I love that bit.

So they have that argument at first about the morality of of

what the CIA has done here because all they've all they've

done really. And until the killing started

was until out some plans, basically some red teaming about

things they could do around the globe to secure America's

influence and and and power. And one of those was energy

security in the Middle East. And all that happened really

here is that that upward guy took it one step too far, was

about to start actioning stuff that was maybe not in his

preview to do. But obviously he is the deputy

director of operations in the Middle East.

So you probably just have a fair amount of authority to do that

kind of stuff. If it came out and people knew

about it like it was blown by someone like Robert Rifford in

his whole little building, it would obviously look tremendous

reputational damage to the US. So that's what we're arguing

about. And Higgins based point, which

is scary and true when it happens, when you don't have

power, when your car engine doesn't start, when your home

doesn't get here is you won't care how the how the government

squeeze away for you. You just want them to get it for

you. And that that is true with

people who, you know, live in countries where you're facing

these kind of problems, you know, and your security is at

risk. The basic right to walk down the

street or to heat you home, you know, you probably do your your

moral event horizon probably does just go a little bit

further away, you know, so they have that chat.

And then my favourite thing about the movie, I suppose, is

that it ends with on a really uncertain, like it's quite a

sour note. It ends on a bit of a bleak

uncertain, kind of like how do you know they're going to print

it? Like when you walk away, like

that's you done. How do you know you're going to

how do you know that they're going to print the story?

And if they don't print the story, if they don't run with

it, then he's played his only aunt and you just get and you

just get what done? And you got, I think like a real

look of that kind of consternation on his face as you

got like that freeze frame at the end of it contextually,

contextually were like sitcoms and stuff doing that freeze

frame on a funny moment kind of thing at the end of them.

Because I'm sure the worm sure. That was the thing in cinema and

comedies. And it was like, yeah, that's

like, it's it's just that freeze frame where you can see he's

he's seeing his own future and he's thinking this this this may

not be the master stroke I thought it was.

I have gone against, you know, the American Empire basically.

I've gone against this massive, massive powerhouse of both soft

and hard power, and he's winning for so much of the film.

And then at the end it looks like there's a coin flip.

Man, he could be completely boned.

Yeah, You know, he's put his hands, his life, sorry, in the

hands of these journalists, you know, and like, you know, the

exercising of a of a Free Press had just recently worked pretty

well with the The Washington Post and the uncovering of the

border gate and all that. I think we posted 74 when Nixon

resigned. So like, so this movie is pretty

timely production for I guess was around that time and then

obviously came out in September 1975.

So you know, that's, that's timely.

But then on the other hand, off the back of that big scandal,

it's a bit like the end of Clear Present Danger, actually.

You know, when the president's saying, like, how many more

scandals do you think the American Pub is going to wear?

Like, like, they've just had one big one.

They're not going to wear another right away.

They simply won't stand for it. They'll want a scapegoat and

they'll want it to go away. So there's a chance that this

doesn't make the waves that he thinks it's going to.

And yeah, you probably will get in the timely side.

And it's pretty, pretty bleak. Yeah, I mean, and he's offered

like he's and he's offered a way out by Max Von said.

I wasn't. I mean Max, Max von Saido almost

says the kind of I'll take you on kids kind of thing.

Yeah, yeah, it does, doesn't it? Like, and it's almost like a

second me kids, you know, I'll make him a little apprentice.

I love how he kind of pitches his own lifestyle.

It's no, it's actually quite peaceful, you know, like it's

and it does seem of a peaceful life.

He's painting miniatures. He's he's he's just travelling

the world in a low key way, just occasionally killing someone.

And there's that kind of almost the closest thing you see to any

kind of really patriotic statement in the film is when

Robert Redford says, you know, I was I was born in the United

States. I would miss it kind of thing.

And that's that's the only time anyone shows, well, talks about

any affection towards the country.

Everything else is just loyalty to the company.

Institutionally. Yeah.

That's a very good point. Absolutely.

That's the end of the movie. Has anyone got any final things

you want to say about the movie before we move into categories

or? Whatever, I will say something

about just the armoring in this film.

I have a feeling that the guns were kind of done on the cheap

because one of the 40 fives is actually a * knockoff of 11

chamber 9 millimetre. The little 22 calibre pistol

that that Max von Saido uses to suicide.

That guy is I think an Astra, which is not, which is another

like Star, a Spanish firm that made knockoffs of guns.

It's obviously knock off the vault of PBK, the C-96.

It won't sing enough of it, but I would bet money that's one of

like, I think it was Astra or Star in in Spain made knockoffs

to the C-96 as well. It looks like it was kind of

armoured out of out of pawn shops.

Like obviously the second whole thing that 90 millimetres are

often used to like pretend to be 40 fives because 90 millimetre

blanks cycle, but iron stuff for film.

But yeah, I just like the way it seems to have been like put

together on the cheap as far as guns go.

And that kind of pleases us because I like these that kind

of euro trash knockoffs that they use, you know?

On my back I didn't mention earlier on that I'm wearing like

an attempt it half hearted attempt at Robert Redford

cosplay. Well, this this particular

episode with the denim shirt and the tie.

I actually stuck on a denim shirt as well.

Did you get the little the end of the reviews wearing this cool

little necklace with a little stone in it?

Do you see that? Didn't, No.

Yeah, he's he's actually a little bit counterculture in

this movie. Yeah, I think he would have got

on pretty well with with with Frank Zipico, which is.

Yeah, totally. Timely.

Geographically relevant. Also movie produced by Dean De

Laurentiis. So yeah, there we go.

Right, all connected. All connected casting, right?

That's that's a start. There's a lot of people in this

movie and I haven't done as thorough as research as I'd

like. There's a few good ones I want

to bring up, though. So the mailman, it's portrayed

by a guy called Hank Garrett. And as I just alluded to, he was

in Serpico in 1973, plays a detective when Frank is like a

pretty junior still, like a uniform beat cop that there's a

suspect that he that he tracks down and chases down and

arrests. And then later he's going

getting interviews and this guy is just wailing on him, just

beating the crap out of him because he's black.

And then Frank walks in and he just says to find like, do you

want a piece of this so horrible piece of work?

Really terrible. Oh my God.

So I was only like 2 years before this movie.

He also after this basically did a tonne of TV work so he did

Knight Rider, Wolf, Simon and Simon Dukes of Hazard not

slanding like all that. Classic network America

television from the 70s and 80s. Alien Niche.

Yeah. I'm just having a quick look at

his filmography now. This guy has done a lot.

Wow. Oh my God.

He was a voice actor in GI Show. He's done loads of that, loads

of GI Joe. It's almost his legacy.

Oh great. Yeah, the other one I was going

to bring up that was Tina Chen. He plays Janice as his office

romance. She's also an Airwolf A tonne as

well. So just any excuse to play the

Airwolf theme gym that is basically.

Plastic. So yeah, awesome.

Do you have a one? I mean, we don't need to bring

up people like Max 1 Sido and Phase Zenaway, Robert Redford.

These names are a humongous. Yeah, there's been a few films,

I'm sure. I want to talk about Cliff

Robertson for a second as a quick bit of trivia.

So Cliff Robertson plays Higgins.

He was an escape from LA. He's Ben Parker in like the

Tobey Maguire Spider Man movies. So, you know, Uncle Ben on 9/11,

OK, Robertson was flying his own small private plane over New

York and witnessed the attacks from the air.

Isn't that crazy? That's.

Absolutely wild. I can't imagine I'm crazy.

I must have been. So that's that's casting.

Have you got any more? I don't have much more for

casting to be honest. I mean, you've kind of hit all

the ones that I was kind of looking at as well, especially

with just like you can't really kind of come at Robert Redfadden

fate, then always filmography and say, oh, they were in this

and this and this because they were in everything.

They've done so much. It's all so good.

It's all so good. So yeah.

I got one more, which is John Houseman, who plays Mr Wadosh,

who's the British spymaster at the CIA.

Oh. He's great, the character and

the actor. Yeah, he's great.

So. So he has, he has one grip.

Yeah. So he's talking about his

wartime experience in World War 2.

Anders, Anders Anders in the war as well.

He taught us as a pre war experience in the interwar era.

But yeah, that's. Right.

Proceed for the Great War in the 30s, everything.

Yeah, so he's it makes a cool reference to World War Two.

He says I sailed the agiasic with a movie star with the help

that's class, which is cool. That's a reference to, it's

quite, it's a reference to the Royal Navy Volunteer Reserve,

which was so back in World War 2, you had like the regular

service, which was made-up of people who obviously been in the

Navy before the war. The Royal Navy Reserve, which is

already established thing that exists and still continues to

exist, which is people who have left the Navy and want to

continue their service or civilians who just want to have

a job on the site. You know, everyone knows what

the reserve didn't. I'm explaining it.

What was made for the, during the war time for acidities only

was the Royal Navy Volunteer Reserve, which was officers and

ratings who were brought in just to cover off the, the, the

massive upscale of the fleet that was required to fight World

War 2. By the end of World War 2, the

Royal Navy was the largest Navy in the world by some margin. the

US Navy would then take over after that when we had to settle

over the stuff off because Britain was nearly crippled by

the war as we all know. But during that time the some of

the people who joined the Royal Navy Volunteer Reserve are

people like Alec Guinness, who who was a Lieutenant commanded a

gunboat. Nicholas Montserrat, the the

writer who that went up to write The Cruel Sea and and it was a

fantastic book. He also got there Evelyn Waugh,

the the the the writer again, you would think he would have

joined the army because if you read his sort of honour trilogy,

that's obviously by an army officer in a fictional regiment

called the Hubbardiers. But he did service in the Navy.

Ian Fleming, famously member of the R and VR, who then created

his character of James Bond to be in the RNR.

But yeah, there you go. So yeah, yeah, yeah, that's

that's what he's talking about. And then he has like brilliant

mind as well where he says, I can miss that time.

And the guys like the war meant no, the clarity.

And it's interesting to hear someone in the 1970s talk about

the murky business of of spying and substitution.

And obviously it's the peak of the Cold War.

So that that is a time where things were extremely, you know,

confusing but actually, Jesus Christ, man.

But come a day, if he lived into like the the 90s noughties now,

that he would look back fondly on those times because at least

you knew who the bad guys were, you know?

Whereas you're the murkiest, greatest of grey zones now,

aren't we? We'll keep referencing grey zone

operations in recent episodes for the people who want term

lead defence Bill Mike, can you explain what these grey zone OPS

please are that's. Actually a very good point,

right? Yeah.

So, so the grey zone is a state of, I would say if if people

think about the world that we're in right now and, and think that

there's a state of peace and that's a state of war, we're

kind of in neither. So people are quite happily

talking about Britain's war right now.

Britain's in peace. It's not we're in a state of, of

continual present contest. Our our defences are being

probed all the time. Our economic security is being

challenged all the time. And this is true for everybody.

It's true for the Americans, it's true for the Russians, the

Chinese, Koreans, everybody. Everybody's being challenged and

tested in different ways. You know, your critical national

infrastructure, your underwater infrastructure, you know, all

this stuff is being challenged. You think about things like

hacking attacks on remember when the NHS got hacked and

everyone's screen came up with a red screen?

You must have been there and saw that.

Yes, yeah. When I was working at AGP

surgery in the West End at the time and your.

Screen would have went red and that message came up saying pay

$300 to get this back. Everything was out.

I wasn't. I wasn't logged into a computer

at the time. What happened for us?

But I was doing, I think, like this was back in the day when

he'd still sometimes turn the computer off and do like,

photocopying and stuff and filing.

But yeah, like, it was like, oh, OK, everything's gone now.

Yeah. Crap.

I. Don't want to draw a false

equivalence between grey zone and specifically cyber, but but

it is heavily involved. Other things that are that would

count as graze on warfare is any kind of sub threshold attack

that that is basically fall short of an offensive action of

of war or declaration of war. So it's anything that's short

fall short really of a conventional like I'm sending a

missile strike on your country over examples.

Let's say the assassination of General Qasem Soleimani, the

Iranian spymaster, in 2020. Check 20.

Yeah. 2020, January, January 3rd, 2020.

There we go. Yeah, That.

That's a great zone attack. Yeah.

The Skripal poisoning in 2018 in Salisbury.

That that's a great zone. So all these things that happen

in the news all the time, like that's the great zone.

So, you know, if you look back at this movie in 1975, that

stuff was happening. It just wasn't getting into the

news as much because the, the, the rate of news was slower, I

would say. And things like cyber, the big

key thing about I think Greece and activity, which, which makes

it differ from more conventional war stuff is the, the public are

more involved. The public are it's, it's, it's

not just targeting your country's military ability,

hitting their civil infrastructure as well.

The Skripal poisoning is particularly here in this

because so the the story of it as if, you know, Kapal was a a

spy. He got turned and was a double

spy, double agent working for the UK and spying against the

USSR where he's from. And he's been imprisoned and

then very British spies type exchange.

He he's been swapped for one of theirs and he was back in the

UK. But the the KGB and Russia

always says, oh, once a tracer was a tracer.

You know, we haven't finished paying the British bill.

So they wanted to kill him and his daughter who were living in

Salisbury. To do that, two guys came from a

a special as part of the Gru, the, the Russian military

intelligence agency made a special task group.

I can't remember the name of it now because it's, it's a series

of numbers. It's like 92155 or something to

assassinate them. And what they did is they used

the the new agent, Nova Choc in a swimming the size of a perfume

bottle and brought it into the country that way and put some on

his door handle. And him he's also about for a

meal, even something. But on the way out of touch the

door handle, whatever and exposed to it that way.

About an hour after that, they started to feel really unwell.

So they went for a walk in a nearby park, sat on a park

bench. And then that's when they were

overcome by the effects of the new agent and taking the

hospital. And that's the site where

everyone like reacted and responded and obviously caused

like a big national thing a few days later.

So they got both got very sick. What happened after that?

Was the the bottle that had been used?

I had been discarded in a public bin in in town and then a guy

and I can't laugh about this because it's deeply serious, but

the guy took him fished out of the bin.

I saw it was obviously some false picking ball and I think

it would look like a tea or something.

So it had branding on it. So he thought this is actually

worth a lot of money, even it's a knock off.

So he went home, gave it to his his partner, he used some and

then she died, as you know, a British civilian that kills by

in a target of assassination by indiscriminately by the Russian

state. And they still deny it, even

though it's pretty much been as good as proven, and not just by

the security services, by the way, but by independent

organisations. But yeah, so that's, that's but

they haven't taken any formal responsibility for it.

And then they've off the back of that, there was a big bot

farming disinformation, information warfare campaign

done by the the Russians to try and again, wrest control of the

narrative, confuse things, you know, classic tonight, deny,

counter accused, but not just off one line of effort, but like

dozens of different varying conflicting claims, all to try

and make the one bit of truth get crowded out by, you know, a

lot of a load of lies. Essentially, Yeah.

It's like the the kind of a fire hose of falsehoods, right when

they just like totally contaminate the information

space with with all the kind of vote was Porton down.

It was actually the British and it's just this false work,

silly, unbelievable, so false work.

It's like it's one of. These unbelievable.

Stuff they did say it was Porton down, that was one of their

acquisitions. Yeah, yeah, so so yeah, so

that's that's that's a counter through an example of grey zone

when I saw what the grey zone doesn't talk about sub threshold

stuff like that. Cool quotes in the movie.

Yes, man, I. Think we are all thinking of the

Well, I think we're all thinking of a few excellent quotes.

I'll let you guys proceed. OK, right, I'll tell you what,

I'm not going to steal the sandwich that I know you

definitely, definitely, definitely want to eat.

So I'm going to say my favourite quote of the movie is not long

after Robert Redford is stressing a pretzel in the park.

Brilliant Which? Which is amazing that he gets

himself to a a pay phone and has a has a chat on the phone there

and they're trying to get convinced to come in.

They're trying to get him to meet him in an alleyway.

He says, I'm not mean you in an alleyway or anybody.

And fuck the Wall Street Journal.

But it's like, that's brilliant. Just like Nah.

It's an Evergreen meme now as well.

Anytime you just grew something the Wall Street journals put out

there, you can just put a picture of Roy Redford saying

fuck the Wall Street Journal. Incredible.

So good, that's my favourite part of the.

Movie. Yeah, just for the for the

writing, for the words on paper and the words on the lever in,

in the audio and the delivery is just oh, no, I'll help.

You can always depend on the old spy fucker, She actually said.

It's just brilliant and slightly unhinged.

Yeah, it's so good. She's a yeah.

She's a real one for that. She's a real one.

She's an absolute pistol. She's brilliant.

This is like the year after slapping herself in the face,

going I'm, she's my sister, she's my daughter, she's my

sister, She's my Yeah. So if anyone's on hinges, God,

yeah, you have a you see, Chinatown.

Right. Oh God, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, so good. She's my sister.

She's my daughter. I love that.

I love. I love the other one as well,

where he's like, I've got a plan to get him, but I'm going to

need your help. And she goes, Have I ever denied

you anything? Whoa.

All right. Whoa, man.

Holy Sonia, you got any? Got any quotes?

No, I don't have any quotes, I just read books.

That's good man, I love that. Sonia coming off the top rope

with the steel chair again. Nice.

I mean, it's hard to beat the spy fucker.

That's so good, the. I think the what about not

getting caught on a lie? Oh, that's it.

Same thing. Telling the truth, Yeah.

Yeah, right, Yeah, So that's that's a pivot one it's true to

boy, what is it with you people? You think not getting caught on

a lies the same thing as telling the truth which is word for word

used again in Michael Clayton which I love that movie.

Incredible. And there's a link there.

So Sydney Pollack, who directed this movie, produced.

I was one of the producers on that movie with Tony Gilroy and

was in that movie as well. Tony Gilroy again putting in the

good work. Tony Gilroy.

Getting closer and closer to having to do an episode on

Andor. I know, right?

It's getting a bit too real, yeah.

Man, it's getting real it. Wasn't.

Going up there. And, and the and the ridiculous

irony of that being a Disney show.

And then what's happened this week with Jimmy Kennel and

Disney? He's had bloody hell, man Yikes.

Needle drops. Yeah.

Right. OK, so.

It's the funkiest and jazziest spy film.

It's so good, right? So, yeah.

How's the funky music? So it's it's, it's Dave Grisson

was the composer. He's done a lot of stuff.

He's done loads of movies, most famously, I guess for people of

our generation, The Goonies. I'll just go to his page again

and double check the firm, Right.

So he's done a lot of Sydney Pollock movies.

So he did the Firm, he did Tootsie.

He also did the Graduate separately from from all those

ones. Havana.

Sydney Pollack seen elsewhere. Yeah, he's got a He's got a

long, storied career. That's right.

But right. Here's the thing that surprised

me about that, the incredibly funky song I Got You, I Want

You, which is playing in Turners in that Atwood's house.

That's also by Dave Christian. It's also just part of the score

for the movie. Whoa.

Yeah. Never.

Never that. That's absolutely crazy.

Technically, it doesn't come as a needle drop.

It's not a needle drop. A needle drop is like a jukebox

song. It's not.

It's just part of the score. That actually makes the film

even I didn't think the film got better in my opinion, but that

really does make it even better that he's then he's just gone

out there and made a funky disco song about having someone right

away want them kind of thing. And it's like it's like didn't

even spend the time to go through people's back catalogues

and find someone that lyrically and thematically matched.

He's just like, let's go. It's like that dedication of the

craft. It's like, have you heard the

story about how the people who were making the film, I think

surfs up? It was one of those dancing

Penguin films, asked Prince if they could change a line in Kiss

from girl to boy. And Prince is like, no, no, no,

no, absolutely not, Absolutely not.

And then like the centre might get kind of test cut of the film

and a few days later he responded with with like three

whole original tracks he did for the score or something crazy

like that. I've done the veracity of it,

but it's like that's that's been a composer, man, That's been

that. That's that's the art and the

craft. That is like just I'm.

Going to do a little bit of life checking out on some stuff here

because what if that's happy feet?

And if that's happy feet, then we're that's a great bit of

trivia. That's a George Miller film.

Obviously Mad Max babe big in the city, but Mad Max and the

rest of the Mad Max movies. 1 composer John Powell.

All right, OK. John Powell, you know, born.

Yeah. Right, let's take up this up.

This. I mean, this might be a total

myth. Shia LaBeouf Zoo additional

isn't that movie? I didn't realise I didn't.

I'm not even aware of this movie existing, but it's got some big

people in. You want Surf's up goes hard.

Surf's up. Actually, Surf's up some

mockumentary. It's a mockumentary.

Surfs Up. Surfs up as a mockumentary, the

trailers give you no idea. So yeah, it definitely wasn't

surf supportable. Happy Feet Surfs up as a

mockumentary, the trailers give you no idea.

We are being lied to. It's actually really good.

It's got all that kind of like like kind of shaky, calm

handycam kind of documentary footage.

It's Mink. That's class.

I got really excited for us for the second when I saw written by

Prince. But it's not Prince, it's a guy

called Prince Lilioku, and it's just as his surname is.

I'm going to go back to happy feet, man.

This is now This is podcasting. Now this is podcasting.

Yes, Bang. Prince did a song called Song of

the Heart for Happy Feet, and I'm almost positive the story

behind this is the like EE like refused to change girl to boy in

kiss and then comes out with this.

So yeah, the song came about when Prince was.

Approached well I was song kissed appear in the film Prince

was initially. Hesitant to sign off on its use,

but a great Watch the film before we made a final decision.

There's a yeah, yeah, there's, there's beach ball tracks in

both surface, obviously. Yeah, and and happy feet.

There we go. Wow.

I was I was wrong about the. I was wrong about the amount of

tracks. That Prince did.

For happy feet. He did the song song hard.

It wasn't like multiple. I don't know where I got that

from. That was like, but yeah, amazing

action. Absolutely.

No Scrubs is in the soundtrack for Happy Feet as well, and

that's a needle. Drop, right?

That's a needle drop. That's a needle drop, but that

would go. Cool trivia, right?

Movie trivia. You ready?

Yeah, ready some IMDb? Trivia man, right?

OK, first one I want to tell you right now.

The KGB, according to former. Soviet intelligence officer

Sergei Trechakov, A fictional clandestine office shown in

three days of the Condor, convinced KGB generals to

establish an equivalent office in Moscow.

That's the Scientific Research Institute of Intelligence

Problems. So like they just invented a

whole new branch of intelligence.

The read everything branch but everything.

It's like as. As as far as?

KGB jobs go again. That's class.

What's your job? I'm in the directorate of

shooting people in the back of the head in the basement of the

Labianca. What's your job?

I'm in the hanging out reading books directorate.

Man rules. It goes hard.

But of course with like Soviet like censorship and stuff,

they're just reading like the same like 3 or 4 books again and

again. It's like, OK, it's what?

Reading The Communist Manifesto again, our Marx's Capital again.

Have you determined anything? I've determined this is a really

cool job and I'm not standing watch on like the border of like

Belarus or whatever. So yeah, this job actually

rules. So I'm just going to read 1 of

like four or five books that were permitted to even be in the

same room as another couple of times and then take a little

vodka break. The CIA director Richard Helms

says here on IMDb Actors as a personal.

Consultant So Robert Redford for his ruling Condor.

That's kind of true. They pit Pollock and Redford

invited him to the set day during filming.

So we could kind of have a look around and just kind of vibe at

a movie set. And he's had a nice day.

Basically. He did have a little bit of a

chat with Rob Redford about like, how he could carry himself

to be more believable as a spy, even though the I don't mean the

sense the movie's not really about him being good at that.

But yeah, so I'm sure Robert Redford kind of really politely

took those notes. And yeah, that's it.

You didn't you didn't like do any kind of spy crafty kind of

consulting. You just kind of vibe on the set

for a day. Yeah.

Sort of like when the broad Wyatt Earp to be a consultant

on. Early Western films back in the

day, like John Ford did that, didn't he?

Yeah. Just like hang around and vibe

and. Be the be in the presence.

Of a young John Wayne who kind of osmosis, apparently some of

his personality and moves and vibes, if the tales ought to be

believed. Yeah.

So yeah, it's almost like a we've done this so we can see

that we've done this now as part.

Of the marketing here's a funny date from from Faye Dunaway, so.

In her biography looking. For Gatsby, she says in this

film, no, I'm sorry, but the idea of being kidnapped and

ravaged by Robert Redford was anything but frightening.

That sounds like a significant, significant number of the.

Reviews on Letterboxed, by the way.

Yeah, and at one point after after Redford temporarily left

the set Pollack. Took over his role still to get

the coverage of Dunaway for her reaction shots and she said

cameras were rolling. I was in position and suddenly

Sydney lunged at me, growling. I'm going to get you.

And that's my spin on it. I don't know how it sounded.

I'm tied up at this point, unable to get away or move much

at all. But Sydney kept moving towards

me, his eyes glaring at me as he went on detailing all the

horrible things he was going to do to me.

And let me tell you, Sydney has an inventive mind.

He's also a great actor and he scared the hell out of me.

Sydney kept the camera rolling and he was relentless.

Could you imagine that? Have you seen, have you seen

Eyes Wide Shut? Yeah.

And sitting. And there's the scene.

Where like Sydney pilot. Was getting his shirt off like

could you? Imagine that guy.

Lunging at you? No man, that's dark.

That's. Awesome.

Cool when Turner tracks the phone number like Drew Berkels

in the. In the hotel, he calls the phone

company officer and asks for ACNA, which actually stands for

customer name and address, and that's his only available to

phone company employees, which is why he said that.

So we could pretend to be 1. So that's how he gets it.

That's really cool. I didn't catch on to that

initially. I thought he was doing it

through. So yeah, there's a lot of social

engineering in this film, things like that.

When and also when he's like kind of eavesdropping in the in

in the shop earlier and he gets he gets failed in a ways

information the name and stuff buddy over he has all that

stuff. That's right.

Yeah, yeah, because of course of my name.

Yeah, it's like Kathy I haven't seen.

Yeah, like it's. It's it's incredibly cerebral.

Kind of spy craft with at times very limited in the way of

technology getting pulled out and stuff.

And, and it's just really cool things that you don't see enough

of. I mean, I always loved like

seeing a bit of social engineering stuff in, in, in

films. I mean, I found obviously, I

mean, I used to previously be in the NHS and oftentimes the GP

would ask me to call for a blue light for a patient who was

shown symptoms of a heart attack.

And the 999 operators will usually say, oh, what can I have

the doctors CSU for this? And then there's a bit of a kind

of, you know, see it now when you got to put the phone down,

then go and like speak to a doctor and stuff like that.

And quite frankly, it's, it's, I mean, I can say the sound

material, the NHS, it's ridiculous is if the doctors

told you to say, look, I've got a patient who's who's showing

signs of heart attack. That's like you need a blue

light like now. But I found sometimes that if I

put on a little bit of a posh voice on the phone, they would

just do it something. Hi Sir Rory to align patient

service officer from medical partnership.

Just requesting a blue light for patient who's got that symptoms,

please, or something like that, you know, and like, OK, cool.

I know that's not like a really great posh voice, but it's but

if you just put a bit of an edge on it, sometimes people are like

listen to you a bit keener and do things for you.

And it's and it's manipulation that it's social engineering,

but for a good cause. So Sydney Pollack, there's lots

of grit. True about Sydney Pollack

Sydney. Pollack sued a Danish television

station after they add a pan and scan version of this film.

In 1991. The the court ruled that the pan

and scan version was a mutilation of the film and a

violation of Pollack's dross morale, which is basically his

I've said that wrong. His legal right as an artist to

maintain his reputation by protecting the integrity of his

work, however, So they all did agree to that.

However, he's still lost the case because he doesn't actually

own the copyright of the movie personally.

That's him. So he's so he he couldn't really

claim to be the aggrieved party because it wasn't his thing to

own, which is a bit sad, but but weird.

Makes me think that he would get on well with Tom Cruise though,

because I imagine Tom Cruise would hate to have a pan and

scan version of his movie Z considering his already strong

views on just motion. Yeah, what's called motion

smoothing. So yeah, cool, I might as well

do the Sydney. Pollocks One.

He's in the movie 3 times so I spotted the first one, which is,

I don't know. I don't know if it's the first

one I spotted to where he's on the phone as Ben, Kathy, Kathy's

boyfriend, because I recognise his voice and it's like, oh

right, that's Sydney Pollock. He's also the taxi driver he

yells at. Really, Robert?

Redford, who nearly runs the movie.

He's like, dude, you're sleeping in the night time.

Like that guy? Galero, why you do you sleeping

at night? That's Sydney Bullock.

And the third, the final one is Redford's walking with Kathy

back to her apartment for the first time after he's, like,

hijacked the car. And an acquaintance says hi to

Kathy walking past and says hi, Kathy.

And then she doesn't say anything.

And then Robert wrote to, like, you should have said hello.

That guy is what, Sydney Bullock as well.

Get in. Yeah, and the last bit of

trivia. I've got here.

Is that the place where the Turner goes to pick up?

Lunch for everyone. The Lexington Candy Shop at 1226

Lexington Ave is still there and it looks the same and has a

steady clientele. I don't know when that was

written, but I like the idea that that deli still there and

operational. Let's let's hope it's still

there. What do you what do you send an

operative in New York just to? Just to see if it's sad, just to

get eyes on and proof of life. Yeah, I can go there and go

there and then go there. Yeah, exactly.

Yes, Yeah, Jen, Jen next. Time we're in the city, you

know, just just please. Scope it out for us.

A lot of people go to Kat's Diner, don't they?

For When Harry Met Sally. But do people go to the Candy?

Shop at Lexington Ave. They should do I bet.

I'm sorry this is a grown up. I bet $0.50 did.

Terrible. Yeah.

Very rare draw you. Can get rid of that one dude, do

you have some? These are going to be good.

Do you have some notes in the piano gallery?

Whoa, do I? These are great.

Now with the notes from the peanut gallery.

You've really. Got to philtre out the horny

ones. That's Muslim.

Yeah, yeah. So there's a lot of lot of

filtering. I've got to.

Sadly, I'm reaching a point in my life and I've got to take my

glasses off to read things that are close up.

Now 1975 Robert Redfield is the ideal Felix Leiter.

I'm right and I should say it anyway.

Red fat hot. This movie is good, blah blah.

The job he has at the start of the movie is my dream job,

etcetera, etcetera. Four stars from Hannah.

That's true. Oh, that's awesome.

There's one really long multiple paragraph here, one I'm going

to. Do the first.

Paragraph because it's it's got the brain of truth.

The lesson you learn from three days of the condors that if your

Co worker has tied you for the lunch run, don't crumble about

it. They may have done you a favour.

The lunch run man Pain 4 star here.

The CIA. Kills a bunch of nerds.

And Bobby, red fat and his golden locks ain't taking that

shit. So he kidnaps Faye Dunaway and

she fucks them because he said nice things about her boring

photos of the woods. The 70's, The 70s were bananas.

Max Von Seidel was the perfect person to play an assassin.

Because he's the sneakiest bitch.

Exclamation mark. I knew he was in this but

somehow forgot it really after it started and because they only

recognised him when he's in Bergman movies.

I had an epiphany in our raid when I realised that it was him.

Sneaky. All capitals Exclamation mark

she take pictures that don't look like she took them, but she

did take them so they. Do 4 star.

Review from someone called Skumbelina.

Love that username, that's brilliant.

Robert Redford unfortunately proves to us all that you

actually can't be too cool and sexy to die in peace.

Is there is a rare -1 one and a half stars.

This was bad, like bad bad. It had a stupid caught of lewd

plot that I didn't care about. And a horribly offensive

romantic subplot. I literally screamed get away

from her every time Robert Redfath's character even glanced

at Faye Dunaway. I'm angry and I laughed out loud

when I heard the line. There's a siga year within the

CIA. This movie was so dumb.

Disagree. But I can understand someone

telling Robert Redfath to stay with you from Faye Dunaway

because I mean, it is a bit. There is.

I mean there is a yeah there is that of a quote that we didn't

talk about, which is particularly great.

Isn't. It yeah, it's like have I have?

I have I am I wrong? Have I have.

I have. I have.

I have, I graped you and she says and she says the knight is

young. The knight is young.

It's like you might. You might.

Oh, man, when you're not actually a, say, a field agent,

but you read a lot of books so you know how to hold your own in

a fight. That one facing spy fucker is a

mood. Yeah, she really is.

My glass is back on now. Don't get old, kids.

Or if you do, do it better than me because good grief.

Most egregious oversell of the military industrial complex.

Well, I suppose in this case it's the.

Surveillance state Industrial complex, I think it's the voice

recognition software that decodes the phone dial to and

from, I think, or the funky scanner at the star of the

movie, which is. You see the lights?

Going over the line the box of text, and I can presume that's

probably transcribing it somewhere else, but I don't know

how that works. I think I've done a.

Little bit of reading up on freaking and I've read, I read a

book coming, I read, I read about a while ago, actually

years and years ago. And I know that you can sort of

if you're an expert with like telecommunications from back in

the day, you can I think tell what numbers being dialled just

off the tone. That's true.

So I wonder if the whole using the voice recognition.

System. Was actually kind of just a

storytelling kind of trick because I mean, if he just hears

something and then you see him type a number and that's not

super clear that he's that he's using sticky spy craft, I guess.

Yeah, I suppose I might be slightly confusing to to some

audiences. So.

Your alternative is a bit of a clunky scene where he's pressing

the buttons a few times to get the tones right and he's playing

it back in. Yeah, that's the true oversells

the deep. State caring about.

That 1X US. Marines hat size and inside leg

when the pull this D nails up right OK, I'm gonna maybe then

maybe then because because because.

We had kit record cards all the way up until like.

In the RN we have kit record cards.

All the way up until like 20 19/20/20, I think maybe get

rigour boots and that's where that kind of stuff was caps,

which is physical and no one cares about.

But now I have the my Navy app on my phone, which is obviously

riches to my service number. And in the kit section of that

I've got all my measurements. So I can order stores in any any

base in the UK, which is really useful, but also means that all

my measurements are just on a file somewhere.

So so hostile state actor and act of grey zone violation.

Kit, kit kit. Take your inseam and you have

size. What you're going to do get me

uniform that fits for ones. Man, that was perfect.

I. Set it up and you knocked it

out. Now this is podcasting.

Yeah. Like, I think, I think maybe

that little jumpy around map thing was, was also an oversell

of the surveillance. Yeah, really cool.

It did look cool, yeah. So much cooler than like

watching. Like on a digital screen, like

a. Little red red dot bounce round.

Oh my God. Now he's in Ohio.

Now he's in whatever. I know Kansas and like, it's the

fact that there's just the the increasingly fast mechanical

clunk, clunk, clunk as it's kind of bouncing around.

That was just cinema. That whole room is like

something from the prisoner. It's Yeah, it's crazy.

Well, I'll. Say something from the prisoner.

I mean like #2 just reading from the prisoner.

Yeah. Yeah, I think there was that.

I think that's the oversells. All over souls, would this movie

be better? I asked this every time.

This movie Be better. I've had Jack Ryan, Doctor

Richard Kimble or President James Marshall.

That's the wrong era for them, isn't it?

So you got to think, if it's Jack Ryan, who's what to say?

Is he? He's probably super junior.

Let's let's say it's like the TV series Jack Ryan, and all he's

doing is analysing financial transactions.

Yeah, he would. He's probably gets his eye into

it when he starts. Like I guess he's tracking.

Oil prices and stuff, maybe. Yeah.

And then he sees there's something going on and then that

have to be this kind. Of input between him and the

people who were monitoring all the books and stuff.

Like, he phones them and they're all dead.

But Condo, who answers the phone?

And Jack Ryan's the one who was like, are you damaged?

Yeah. And then then it's just the two

of them against. Against the Rogue.

Elements within the CIA A buddy spy movie A buddy spy movie Yes

we. Just invented a genre.

We invented a genre. Coming soon to the Kickstarter

near you. Exciting new franchise.

We could even literally. Call the film clear and present.

Dudes, yo, that's the logical end point of this whole

enterprise. You heard grief.

That is, this film could have. Featured a young doctor, Doctor

Richard Kimble. He could have been a a junior

doctor or a. Surgical resident.

At the hospital where where Wicks and Sacks ended up getting

getting getting killed in his hospital.

Bed. It would just be a cameo though,

and a bit of a paging Dr Kimble, paging Doctor Richard Kimble.

He was going to be in a film in about 15 years time.

You might want to mark that name, guys.

This is the same sort of time frame like so this is around the

same sort of time as the conversation came.

Up movie, movie. We talked about a lot of a week

and Harrison Ford is in that he plays a guy with a really shiny

suit on and one of his earliest roles and that's kind of like.

So I can imagine him being in this.

Yeah. He's like the right age to play

like a young young, yes, Yeah, I don't think there's any room

for. James Marshall, He's just the

wrong guy. He's the wrong era.

Complete. We're in cynical 70s post Nixon,

it's all gone to shit era. James Marshall is a product of

the of the Bill Clinton booming era, isn't he?

Yeah. I mean, James Marshall is like

Bill Clinton with muscles. He's like, it's like.

Imagine if Bill Clinton could fight, I mean.

Might be able to, I don't know. He's kind of tall but might have

could reach I guess. But he's also old now.

He would lose the President Fight Club against Obama.

Yeah. Yeah.

Barack Obama. Oh my.

God, it's Joe. Biden with the steel chair, he

just, like walks in really slowly and just I think that

would be a revocation of Robert Redford's.

Presidential Medal of Freedom Yeah, definitely would be.

Here's a here's a question that I know the answer to.

Already, will this movie have benefited from a weird little

scruffy? Guy played by Peter Faulk.

There's like 4C rules in this movie that could be played by

Peter Faulk. Yeah, he could be everyone in

this movie. He could be the guy who runs the

deli and the customer in the deli.

He could be every taxi driver. He could have been fair.

Dunaway. They're going to be really

progressive. He could have been fit.

Yeah, you probably could have been.

Fit in a way you could have been Fit in his boyfriend, you could

have been Max. Concerto.

You could have been, you could have been.

Wabash, you could have it would have been, could be anybody.

He's so good as Max von Sydow ask.

Assassin, because I mean. He's.

He's, he's just the kind of guy that you would like wave through

a security cordon, the kind of guy that you'd just be all right

with. You would only give him like the

minimalist pat down because he doesn't seem like a threat.

And then he's just ripping out a scope.

And I was AC-96 with a, with the with the wooden stock.

And he's just like, it's a different vibe.

But what he does capture is that kind of avuncular nature that,

like Muxman, sort of. Taps into a little bit, yeah,

yeah. Like, like he's kind of the

weird fish. He's like a guy doesn't fit in.

Anywhere. And yet there's something

weirdly pleasant about his aura. That's what Maxwell said.

Oh, kind of achieves. I mean, one thing about a month

like von von Sedow who's like. He's like he's faked us on death

right years ago, all the CIA faked that are making work for

the deep state CIA when the blew up as little as little sitter

and two CV yet he's he's travelling the world killing

people yet he's. Still got time to.

Travel with a bunch of little miniatures and they paint them

and stuff and, and I think that's like that.

That speaks to the kind of, as you said, avuncular kind of guy

that he is. What else is great about that is

that I've attempted to travel with miniatures before and I've

never been designed. To do it so he makes the time to

do the painting as well. And and, and he, I mean, he's

having to kind. Like he would probably have to

like source his own like like digs as well.

He wouldn't be getting like assigned 1.

They'd be like, look, just as there's still what I got to do.

He's obviously independently wealthy.

So he's he's going out there. He's he's gotten a place to

live. And he said, and this is a place

where I paint my little man. And it's like, yes, I love that.

That's great. I'm just looking at Peter Fawkes

sort of resume at this time. So there's 76.

He was in a murder by death with Alec Guinness.

Get in Mikey and Nicky, Nicky's on the run for the mob and he

turns. To his all powered Mikey for.

Help. Which one is he?

He is Mikey the cheap detective. After this.

Yeah. OK.

So, yeah, he's he's he's he's holding his own on that sort of

gumshoe kind of anyway. Cool.

Would this movie have benefited from Lieutenant Commander Samuel

L Jackson, U.S. Navy?

This is a rare occasion where I don't think there's a room for

him in this movie. Yeah, I feel like that would be

wrong. He doesn't fit the vibe.

Yeah, you're totally right, Sonya.

There's nowhere really we could put him.

In this film. I mean, for a start, the film

has no real kind of like military presence in it apart

from the ex marine. Who was was he with the death

squads? But he was the assassins.

But it's like, yeah. There's.

Sonya, you spot on. There's no real space for them

to have, like a young, angry Navy officer who's going to tell

you to shut up and get these snakes off his plane, you know,

if you're right. On the other hand, I think has

got a couple of rules in this movie, Jeffrey.

Wright could have done the Higgins rule, I think, pretty

well. God, yeah, yeah, and

controversial take, but I think he also could.

Have done the Max von Saddle role pretty well as well.

I. Think yes, actually.

So I can see him doing not so much the Ivanka a bit, but he's

very cool. I can seem very.

Cool and cold and dispassionate. I can see him painting the

miniatures and yeah, thriving on the position.

Incredibly measured performer. So yeah, definitely.

Definitely. He's he's, he's got that in him.

Yeah, the gravitas, you know, I can, I can hear him doing like

the, you know, it'll. Happen like this.

You'll be on there for a walk, maybe on the first day of

spring. You know, I can hear it in his

voice. Yeah.

Holy crap. Definitely.

Definitely, man. Well, here's a question for you.

And it's a weird one, actually. I'm not 100.

Percent sure where I sit on this is the.

Movie pro or untie CIA? Oh my God, we have been.

We have been thinking about that the entire time we've watched

this movie. Like we, we've joked about it,

but we are unclear. Yeah, I need to quickly give you

all a. Glimpse, friend the curtain.

Sonia and I are actually broadcasting from the same

secure location. Sonia is actually in the living

room and I'm in the kitchen. So that so the past few days

we've been discussed in this film sort of sort of offline.

But yeah, I mean, whenever I did kind of come up with with real

answer is a pro or Ant. I because I mean, Sonia, I'll

I'll let you a pain before I give my end of things.

It makes the CIA soft into a snake eating its own tail.

Doesn't it? It doesn't make the cellular

guess actively trying to reach out to that bit of corruption

that. Happened.

Yeah, like at the end of the movie.

It's not trying to clean itself. And reform have like you.

Know and do anything about it. There's no lessons learned by

the company. Yeah, like, like, like there's

no kind of if, if, if, if this is.

Somebody's unilateral wet dream, then that somebody is going to

prison. Well, he got deleted to me.

They just hired. There's hired bookmarks to kill

him in his house. Exactly, yet it also shows the

CIA can give you really cush jobs.

Like hanging out in a rundown little office where everyone's

really friendly, nobody spits in anybody's coffee, and you just

read poops. I mean you could literally use

it the first just few minutes of the film as a CIA recruiting

tool. Very very short film.

I would be like called like 3 minutes of the condo.

And that is so psych A brief day in the life of a CIA turbo nerd.

Look at this. He gets away with making jokes

about using an ice bullet that you read in a Dick Tracy story

and people don't call him an idiot.

You too can join the CIA and be a she.

Go and disregard the rest of the film.

It never happened. Could be a giant nerd got a

whole Asian girlfriend and. Be admired by all coworkers.

Then go to a deli and see yeah and everybody the deli likes you

and then seen Dun Dun Dun. Everybody likes you until they

don't. Yeah, basically everyone.

Likes to until you're absolutely screwed, so that's.

Why the film cuts off after like 5-6 minutes?

Maybe there's an uptick in CIA applications because they're all

like, here can I get that cool book reading job?

And then the best thing is The Walking into the city office to

fill in application forms because clearly that's what

happened in the 70s. Was the CIA really based in the

World Trade Centre? I don't want to Google it.

It'll lead us to some stupid websites.

I don't know. All I do know is that the movie

it was originally going to be set in Washington, DC and it was

Robert. Redford who pushed for it to be

relocated to New York for the majority of it.

So they might have made the bull transcend I think part of that

location shift. Oh you are going to Google it

and get on all those lists. I am really sorry.

I'm Googling the movie trivia list the FBI also I

accidentally. Typed in CIU rather than.

CIU, which of course is the working men's.

Clubs is is this film PRO and ICIU the Central Intelligence

Agency was not based in the World Trade Centre complex, but

it had offices in the 25th floor of seven World Trade Centre.

There we go. So the film, the film was not

factually correct because I mean it does very much infer by its

cinematography the the R in the World Trade Centre, the R7 WTCS

and I pulled out before I went down and we had rabbit holes.

Finally, gentlemen, Ding Chavez Award for the missed

opportunity. Of the movie, I've been

struggled with this because the movie rules and I don't think

there's anything wrong with it. It's that's so good.

But I suppose you had a comment about.

Max Funsido's miniatures. Yeah, like missed the

opportunity from like pain, like more of them.

The little French, the little French shoulders.

And maybe they should have been like Scaven.

Space Marines. I mean, I mean like at the time,

like as. Far as like fantasy miniatures

go, I mean. Like the kind of Ralph path that

were already making like look like DD miniatures and stuff.

But my my missed opportunity for that is, is that you're not

seeing them paint like just tonnes of them.

And then it cuts over just this gigantic amount that he's

painted because like he never sleeps and he keeps himself

awake to defend, to defend against his enemies by just

obsessively. It's insane who's held.

But he's still got a blank of woods down there, which has been

using for. The basis when he's spring

primer yes, yes, my God. And like, like and just there's,

there's, there's like a whole. Deleted scene when he, when he

just like, plays like a really complex war game against

himself. Like he's like, like, he's like

turning the table round and stuff.

Like, like, like a chess master. Yeah, he's painting, but where's

the codexes? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's like, Oh my God. He just goes to like a Games

Workshop and brings his brings. His militias there just has a

little bit of a paint that by inventing Games Workshop about

yes, before it was invented or whatever.

That's that's the missed opportunity of the movie is that

this this movie doesn't have a scene where Max Funcido walks

into. A Games Workshop and they're

like, oh, hi, Max Funcido, you're my favourite customer,

Jeez. And they do that.

They do that horrible. Like like 1990s, early 2000s

hard sell Games Workshop staff used to do.

But I said you find that that's shit, man.

Jeez, you should get something cooler.

Don't be a pussy. That kind of thing.

Honestly man, the hard sell. Jesus, it's like I was like, oh

Steven God, you're shit. God, I hate you.

I hate you, you little man. It'll happen like this.

It'll happen like this. A Games Workshop red shirt will

appear you from. Behind you.

Look at what you're buying. You look at your hand, he'll say

Empire great swords. You want to buy at a entirely

different range of miniatures. You will walk out hauling 2 high

alpha army startup boxes. This is how it begins, and this

is how it ends. Your plastic crack addiction

begins now. It'll be a friend.

They'll be small, even you you trust and they will start

talking about the codex's. Studies.

Oh my God, this tactic is not. Approved by the Codex's studies.

And then he just hands him his boulder.

Oh my God, that's a missed. Opportunity.

There's no. Intercessors in the movie,

nobody at any point pulls. Out like 5 millimetre.

Calibre semi automatic weapon firing rocket propelled

ammunition says a quick prayer to the weapons spirit and that

grips it, rips it a full automatic bull of fire.

There's no Tyranids in this movie.

Get unexploded on freaking St. You know no one says a prayer to

corn or yeah there is there is. There is 00.

Oh my God, there's a CIA? Then there's a CIA.

Within the CIA, then there's like a couple of people who are

in like a tiny little jeans deal.

I call yeah, it shoots the the director of operations for the

Middle East, and he turns out to have a. 3rd arm my God and like

and like Max. Side out Inquisitor Max von side

out. Like suffer knock the mutant to

live. Oh God actually has to go first

because he's psycho. OK, right.

I'm done. Done.

What is left for there to say about the wonderful movie that

is 3 Days of the Condor? All signs are already done, by

the way. Yeah, of course signs are done.

Yeah, well, if it's Condor, Kathy is.

Spirohawk. I don't know.

I remember the rest of them. The old lady.

Was wood pigeon or something? Yeah, something like that.

God. What's our next movie going to

be, gentlemen? A Sonia pick.

It is a Sonia pick and you've had two weeks to think.

About this two weeks and a good breakfast.

Well, I need more time to think because I was.

I was we got so. Into this Oh no, we need to do a

Robert Redford memorial. Episode that I.

Forgot to think about a different film and I was just

like, we're doing 3 days of the condo.

I can push this into the back of my head again.

I I've got an idea of what you might pick, but.

But. You haven't got that idea yet,

so we'll see. We'll see what we'll see what it

is. Cool, right?

In that case, all that is left. To say really, unless anyone's

got any final comments to. Make Speaking of forever hold, I

have no idea how this film would have gone down in.

Germany. I didn't even bother asking.

I knew, I knew. In fairness, it does have a fax.

Machine in the opening, so that's that.

Yes, fax machines, man. Cool.

You must return all that remains to say then I suppose is is.

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So I'll do that. But that's it really.

Apart from that, I can say that together we have been clearly

present. Dude, you guys are in the same

building. We are literally about. 12 to 13

feet away from each. Other stop sink shaming me sink

shame. And that's a good one, man.

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