No Way Out (1987)

Mr Deans. Represents a clear and present

danger to the national security of the United States.

You have. No idea what.

Men of God can. Do they needed a hero?

I understand he has a background in intelligence.

It's 2 tourists with naval intelligence.

Get him here. He liked excitement take.

Us somewhere. He wanted her.

Their passion upset the balance of power.

What's all this top secret business?

I've been hearing about it with the Pentagon.

You know, I work for Bryce. Then that makes two of us.

This one can do things for me like no other woman I've ever

met behind the cover up. Trying to understand.

The power, the important thing is to abort an investigation

before whatever gets to you. You haven't told me everything.

Who's running this thing at the Pentagon?

The new boy. Ferrell.

So we can take the fall in case anything goes wrong.

The loyalty I love. You.

I promise I'll work everything out.

How did you actually meet the Secretary of Defence?

I need a car to emergency. These people have already tried

to kill one person who knew bring.

This one down? No, no, you can't think.

That be hard your intention to bring down David Bryce and I

have no choice but to make sure that you didn't get away with

it. They mean to kill me, Sam,

because of the truth. There's no way out.

Kevin Costner, Gene Hackman, Sean Young, Will Patton.

No way out. Hello and welcome to clear and

present dudes. My name is Mike Dunbar and I'm

joined here by Sonia Bixon and my good friend Rory O'Toole.

Please say hello. I picked I picked the first one,

No way out in 1987 because it's like the the tour archetype for

like this kind of movie. It's a it's a political

thriller. It involves national security.

It's a bit sexy and horny and a bit weird.

It was a crazy plot twist. And also RIP Gene Hackman very

sadly departed from us. Only a few weeks ago as a key

player in this movie and we're going to see a tonne of him in

the rest of the movies we're going to be doing here, which is

a wide remit. The movie stars Kevin Costner,

Gene Hackman, Sean Young, Will Patton and that was directed by

Roger Donaldson and it came out in 1987, same year as The

Untouchables and it is the beginning of Kevin Costner's

absolute heater run of movies. So he does from here.

He does Bull Durham in 1988, then does Feel the Dreams in

1989, The Gun Runner and Revenge and then Dances with Wolves in

1990 where he stars, directs producers, wins 7 Oscars,

including Best Picture. And then he's in Robin Hood,

Prince of Thieves, made all of the United Kingdom.

Listen to Brian Animals for 17 weeks solid.

And then he's in GF K in 991 and the Bodyguard in 992, at which

point he's a household name. He's unstoppable.

He's one of the biggest players in Hollywood right up until

Water build in 995. But even that doesn't really

stop him because look at him now.

He's he's going strong with these with his Horizon movies in

Yellowstone and like all that good jazz.

But it all starts here with the Untouchables and No way out.

So the way out is a second adaptation of a book called The

Big Clock by Kenneth Faring, which I haven't read and I

haven't seen the original movie. But Rory, I think you have,

haven't you? Yes.

So I've looked a little bit into the film films that were kind of

spawned by the book The Big Clock.

There is the film The big Clock, the 1948 film noir.

And there's also 357 police Python, which is actually a

French film. So it's actually absolute cinema

just by identifying French. I've I've flicked through the

film The big Clock. Interesting love it opens, but a

kind of kind of similar scene to the way out kind of cityscape

scene, but shot from below rather than above.

And I think that's, I think that's quite cool to see.

I see that, yeah. So, so the Big Clock looks like

a pretty cool film, to be honest.

There's even the there's even the plot line of a kind of

ticking clock as an image is being created in.

In the case of the big Clock, there's an artist who's taken on

who's who's seen the guy and she's she's tasked with creating

a sketch of them. However, in a truly bizarre

current for any kind of a film noir, I think she's like this

cubist modern artist. So after this, this long, quite

tense period of, of waiting for this woman to finish this

sketch, it's like it's just a bunch of shapes.

It's brilliant so. She sounds amazing.

Yeah, man, that sounds dope. My my first impression of the

film is it's like 1948. It's a noir film.

It's in that kind of era when you've got the jetty age

aesthetic starting to come in. So you've got like the buildings

of upon more modernist because I mean in the film wall like the

city's like character, right. So it's interesting to see to

see the architecture in it. It's in order to see that as

part of its storytelling, you know, And then looked into 357

Police Python. And yeah.

So this film is on the Internet Archive in its original French.

It's on the Internet Archive in dubbed Spanish.

But where can I find it with English subtitles?

The trailer, what appears to either be a trailer or just a

mishmash of some scenes, does have English subtitles.

And it follows A follows a police officer who who is

basically tasked to thank the guy who killed the mistress of

his boss and of course his boss kill his mistress.

So that's, that's, that's the same kind of setup really with a

very French fashion on the age gap between the detective and

the girl is like massive. And he gets, gets incredibly

French. He, he looks like he's in his

late late 40s. Admittedly, it was made in the

70s. So like everyone smoked 2

packets of cigarettes a day. You saw 21 year olds who had

skin like lava. But I, but I think this guy's

easily in his late 40s, early 50s.

He's about 21. It's also very French because

in, in this story, the, the the boss, I guess the chief.

So his wife knows about this. His his his wife knows about the

affair because obviously it's French, you know, Oh, of course

he's got a mistress. It just takes, takes, takes a

bit of the work off me, you know, I mean, there's one scene

in the clip when she literally answers a phone call from from

from the girl and passes the phone to her husband.

And there's there's a scene at the end of the kind of little

trailer rock clip show when when the chief comes home and his

wifes like, Oh my God, did you break up?

He's like, yeah, I've killed her.

She's like, oh God, dear. Like if you kind of just

contrast that with with the secretary of defences whole try

to be low key about it. This French guy is like, Oh

yeah, hey wife, this sucks. You know, that mistress you've

known about for a significant amount of time turns out was

just killed out with an ashtray, you know?

Oh. That's incredible, man, that's

weird that there's some like weird little connections to to

no way out in there as well. I mean, obviously it's the same

story, but like the the the wife of of sentence of def SEC Bryce,

like knowing about the the affair and not really she's just

doesn't want to be there in public, but like there's kind of

otherwise ambivalent to it. Then there's a cool and there's

a bit where TomTom Farrell is talking about wanting to go and

buy some ashtrays as well. I wonder if that's meant to be

an odd I. Wonder I, I wonder if it is

something I've got mentioned about, about the big clock also

is it also features some kind of things like it's like an

operations room, but like a bunch of people moving in to

like kind of solve the clues and stuff.

But because this is like set in like a publishing company which

has a crime magazine called Crime Ways, there's actually

like a little board in the room that's got crime wares, Clue

board written on it. And I just think that's

delightful. That's brilliant.

That's like love of film that's got an operations centre in it,

especially if it's one that's been cobbled together and looks

a little bit crap, you know? We should do a power rankings of

all the best OPS rooms in in various movies.

I'm quite I'm quite partial. Should the, the bunker In Sync

the Bismarck, which is just like, you know, your classic

kind of World War? Like there's a big chart table

and there's like Wrens there like pushing the ships around

with little sticks. And there's like a, there's like

a, a neutral plane of, of smoke from everyone's cigarettes, like

hanging in in the sort of middle height of the room, like that

kind of stuff. And it and that, that kind of

thing is actually just why, why I joined the Navy.

And honestly I just wanted a plexiglass board and a grease

pen. A good China graph pencil.

Incredible. Incredible.

So I suppose not to completely realistic composition, I guess,

I guess we should probably have a quick talk about the movie

that we've that we're starting up to do about like why what we

thought of it. So obviously I quite like it

because I picked it, but I'd like to know what you guys

thought of the movie having having, you know, what your

experience was. Well, I just watched it

yesterday, just just mainly in preparation for this, and it was

throughout surprising. I mean it was unexpectedly

horny, which in fairness could have been expected giving that

it involves Navy things, but without killing the suspense or

taking away too much from the podcast.

VM just absolutely hit me like a hammer to be honest.

It's an all timer twist. It's up there with the 6th sense

I think in terms of qualities of like world changing twist like

usual suspects 1/6 sense, no way out like totally stands to to I

think. We should probably at this point

say as well that there are any spoilers in this in this

podcast. So if if anyone yeah, so if

anyone has has not yet made themselves fully you a fair with

the horny 97 masterpiece that is no way out.

But this podcast on pause will still be here when you return

and just go watch it. It's really good.

But don't do what I did. Don't rent it on YouTube because

the YouTube cut is only like an hour and a half, literally 30

minutes as as excised from this film for YouTube.

So after watching it, I was like, there's a few bits I don't

remember here, like me and there's, there's there's no, you

know, sex scene in the limo and the whole, the whole the whole

at sea sequence is gone. Like it's just not in at all.

The Manila stuff completely gone apart from one very brief E uh,

Tomtomtom drunk dials Susan, uh, that's it.

That's the entirely the Manila stuff.

So aside from that, I thought the film's great.

I've I've seen it before when I was quite young.

I do have a bit of a core memory of, you know, Sean Young got to

say, I bet I do I do. I think this was the kind of

time when it was the these kind of thrillers from these were the

kind of film that you'd end up watching like as a family.

But they were then surprisingly horny.

You know what I mean? Like, yeah, but yes, it's like

it's the kind of thing. So it's kind of film when, you

know, you could you could run into a lot of these in the 90s

because they were coming on to like TV.

They were coming on like VHS rental and there were a film

that you'd watch as a family and they were just very, very heard

up. Yes.

So straightway I was like shocked that they'd taken out

one of the core elements of the film, which is just how how

absolutely turbo horny it is. This film's like Diamond Cutter

nonstop. You know, it really is this film

has a cob on for like it's whole it's whole 2 hours.

I thought it was an excellent piece of piece of new and war

work. I thought I thought that it's

probably some of Kevin Cox has best acting, which is kind of

strange to say, but he is is is is really goodness.

I agree. And like he's yeah, like and

he's and understated kind of good is very believable as

action sequences, especially a really, really believable.

I think that obviously the the twist fantastic.

I love I love the I love the idea of someone as well-being

told you've you've you've you've got to investigate yourself kind

of thing. There's there's AI have 1/2

remembered recollection of some some novel that's about some

police officer who was like trying to infiltrate.

He's more to infiltrate the sell of anarchists.

I think it's like a 1920s and 80s novel.

And the final payoff is when he when he infiltrates the sell of

anarchists, It's all full of like cops trying to infiltrate

this anarchist itself. I love this like paranoid idea

of like having what haven't investigate yourself, you know,

I love that it's it's it's a deeply paranoid film that looks

if she was like power obsession, the attractiveness of power,

what people will do it again and what people will do and maintain

it, how people act when it's all the desire and what it does to

people. Yeah, man, absolutely valid

point man. There's a scene in the there's a

line in the final seats or who will pattern where he says a

great quote, which I think totally hits that that exact

thematic call that you just kind of alluded to there.

Which which Which lines that? It's it's, you have no idea what

men of power can do. That's what he says.

Man of power. I love that man of power.

That's brilliant. I thought it was going to be the

man of power thing. It's it's man of power.

It's amazing. I like that line.

I like that line because that's his obsession.

His obsession is power and his obsession is just being being

around it. He knows he's he knows he's

never going to be president, but he knows what he can do is be a

social climber through, through the American political

apparatus, through Pentagon, by attaching himself to people who

are powerful. He's a gross little expert of a

man. Definitely the what?

One of the worst people in this film, which has some bad fucking

people in it. Yeah.

You're absolutely Roman. Hey, let's, let's so the movie

starts with this extremely extra music by Maurice Shah, who is

famous for Doctor Zhivago Lawrence of Arabia.

And we and we do this big long helicopter shot over Washington,

DC, and we start at the Capitol and we go over all the sights.

We linger on the Pentagon for a bit.

And then just behind the Pentagon, there's this little

suburban street with a detached house.

And we first meet our our main character, Kevin Costner,

playing Lieutenant Commander Tom Farrell.

And he's in his trop whites, what we'd call Top Gun Rig.

And there's bits of blood all over it.

And he's being interrogated by two massive dudes.

And one of them is staring at him so intently that he manages

to explode a coffee mug in his hands by gripping it too hard.

And then they ask him, hey, how do you know the Secretary of

Defence? And he says, look, a man I went

to college with introduced them, a guy called Scott Pritchard.

And then he gets up and he's angry.

He's like really pissed off. And he walks in a two way mirror

and he goes, when's he going to come out from behind there

referring to some other guy who we haven't seen yet.

And then it goes six months earlier and we're off to the

races. Next scene.

This is the next scene is is superb.

I love this right. So it's a it's a big function.

Kevin Costner gets out of a car. He's been driven there.

He's wearing his dress Blues #2's rig, so he's wearing a a

cap, he's wearing white gloves, he's wearing the the dinner

jacket, he's wearing a, a yellow cummerbund, which if we're, if

we're tracking the clues as to the film's conclusion, which if

you haven't seen the movie already and you and you haven't

either the spoiler warning, I'm sorry, I'm going to say he's a

spy, a Russian spy. Clue clue 0 might be that he's

wearing a yellow cummerbund because he's not afraid of

coloured drinks getting spilled on it because they only drink

vodka, right. So.

They do. They do, Stoli straight up.

Yes, right, OK, so that's clue one.

But Thomas arriving at the function and we see our our

female lead, Susan Atwell, and we can tell immediately that

she's like this bored woman with extremely weird hair.

It's just in some weird up to that is not aged well at all.

They've really done a dirty and she's getting scammed by metal

detector and she says we're really thank God it's not a

bullshit detector or else none of us would get in.

And this tells us that she's bored and also she's over

Washington and she's and she's sick of the vibes.

And then we kind of like work the room a bit, but we meet

Scott Pritchard, who's this like, as, as you said, like this

horrible little wretched little sneevy man.

And his vibes are way, way off the charts.

And he meets Tom and he's like, oh, yeah, you want to work in my

department? I saw that note you sent.

And he's like, it's a Christmas card.

And it's said Merry Christmas. Like, this guy's a lunatic.

And then we cut around and we see it's such weird vibes.

And then we. And.

Then we cut around. He says so many weird things in

this movie, and he says in such a weird voice as well, like the

voice work he's putting on, because he doesn't sound like

that in real life. He's doing this kind of weird.

Is it Southern? Is it Yankee?

I do not know. He's like the dark version of

Niles Korean. It's got the same hair.

Yeah, he's got the same swimmers build.

That's he has. Oh, my God, yeah, that's who he

is. That's exactly who he is.

He's he's, he's, he's like Niles with all the safeties off.

Yeah, this is it. And we see that like almost

immediately. So we we cut around, we see

Secretary Bryce. Secretary Bryce is white Life

sees Pritchard and goes, oh, God's here and runs over.

And then they introduce, he introduces Secretary Bryce to

Tom. And Bryce doesn't give a flying

fuck. He's just like, oh, OK, cool,

you're in the Navy, are you right, Cool.

And then and Pritchard's like, we were at college together.

And he's like, that's that's good.

And just keep walking. And then and then Tom's.

And then Tom says he's warm, isn't he?

And then and then Pritchard goes, he's a genius.

The normal rules don't apply. And then he goes like way high

and right and goes like he's the most extraordinary man I've ever

met in my life. Even if it came to it, I'd lay

down my life for him. Sir, we are as a.

Function. You're scaring you.

You are scattering the women, the wives.

Stop it. You're scaring the wives.

You're ruining the vibes. But I think exactly, but hey,

I'm no screenwriter, but this is what we call in the business, I

think foreshadowing. And then one of my favourite

things happens. We hear Hail to the Chief play

and then the president arrives and we don't see him, which I

think is really smart because then we can just imagine it's

Ronald Reagan. But also, it's because Tom is

checking out Susan Notwell, so he's starting to do his like

moves. She notices.

I'm looking. They're both looking at you.

This is the first real evidence of the movie being like off the

scales horny because like the president has walked into the

room and these guys are already decided they want to fuck.

So then almost immediately, Tom is like making a beeline towards

her. She's whips up the cigarettes.

She's trying to get it lit. She does something which I think

is absolutely unhinged at this point.

She like she stood a level higher than the people.

She's like a guardrail. And then there are people in

tables and it's a little tiny man who she asks for a light and

he gets his cigarette lighter out, tries lighting it.

And because he's his eye line is like directly level to her tits.

She then goes, if you want to look down my top, maybe you

should be a little bit taller or maybe you shouldn't stand on a

platform that's like another 2 feet taller than he is.

But as soon as that happens, Tom is there like on fully

outstretched flame already coming from the lighter ready to

take over. Like fucking stand by shit mate.

The neighbours here. And then he's straight in there

and and then he's like, you're pretty impressed with me.

And she's like, no, he's like, yes you are.

And then he walks to the bar and then she's a bit like, fuck,

he's right. I am impressed with him and I am

going to just follow him to the bar like the pathetic little

scoundrel that I am. And then she goes straight there

and then this is when clue one happens where he orders a Stoli

straight up. And it's not the trend.

And I don't know much about vodka from the 1980s, but

apparently Smirnoff was a trendy vodka.

So the fact that it's Stoli is like oh this guy is hardcore

into his vodkas and only fucking Soviet spies and nobody else are

into their vodkas. Yeah, yeah.

I wonder as well if I want to think about what this is

actually seeing pick up artist techniques work, which is a bit

scary. Yeah, they they work in the in

the context of this fictional universe where.

Absolutely. That's absolutely scary that you

see them work in the film. Yeah.

Yeah, but it's the world's most unhinged woman as well.

Like, like she's she's a safeguard lunatic.

And I don't think it's meant, I don't think she's meant to be a

lunatic. It's it's just how Sean Young's

playing it. I think her eyes.

Yeah, absolutely. So they have their drink.

They have a a really short chat about how they they don't want

to be here. I think what's happening is the

band strikes up a really fucking weird cover of Do You Think I'm

Sexy? Like like Rod Stewart?

Which is weird because. From the YouTube cut.

Yeah, all right, this is amazing.

So before then they've just been playing shit like Little Brown

Jug and stuff, and then and suddenly the band's like the

guy, the band leader is like yelling out into the audience,

like, do you think I'm sexy? I said, do you think I'm sexy?

And then it starts like bow, bow, bow, bow, now brown.

And then there's like a woman stood on the stage who's like

dancing next to him. And then Sean Young says, and

what I think is probably the first occurrence of like that

sort of Buffy the vampire speak like that.

That was made popular like another sort of 10 years later.

She's like, oh, I think there's a Nas situation developing here.

And he's like, do you want to get out of here?

And then they immediately leave, having spoken to for about 30

seconds. And then they go into the what

is the famous? I don't know if it is famous,

but the famous limo sequence I'm going.

To take a brief. Pause here.

Yeah, I'm going to take a brief pause here and ask what your

opinion of the of the limo sequence is.

Did you even see the limo sequence on the YouTube cut,

Rory? It's not on the YouTube cut.

There's no swearing in the YouTube cut, the cut out Dolly,

the cut out, the whole bit with the with the ambassador from New

Zealand, I think, and the Maori dancers and stuff.

My first clue that I wasn't going insane to do have a

tenancy A gaslight myself. I was thinking, well, well,

maybe there wasn't that but heavy fucking in the film and I

was just kind of imagining things.

But then when I saw like the credits at the end of it and

it's like, oh, read dancer one, Maori Dancer 2.

It's like, hold on a minute. And then I'm like comparing the

run times and stuff. So, yeah, yeah.

So no, I am, I am. I am aware of the the that

particular scene. But yes, so much the film's

taken out. All of all of the swearing's

gone. The bullshit, the fact that

scene's gone, well, you're sick. Fuck.

But that's gone. It's yeah, crazy.

It's crazy. That's Wells.

OK, so here we go. I'm just, I'm just going to

tackle it just to RIP off the Band-Aid.

So they get into this limo and then a diabolically bad song by

Paul Anka starts. It's this is from the golden age

of writing a song for the movie and calling the song and having

a lyric from the song be in the movie.

So it works in Bond movies. I think it only works in Bond

movies. This is not a book.

It also it also works in black dynamite.

Yeah, yeah, it works about dynamite, I'll give you that.

Yeah, I don't, but but in this so.

So this is like a proper, like this is like one of those

mushy's ballads that has, it leaves absolutely no impression

on you. And all I know all I can

remember from it and I've listened to it about four or

five times and watching the movie over there to prepare for

this. And it's just him going like no

way out. That's all I can remember.

You'll hear the song. It'll pass immediately out of

your memory like you never heard it.

The song itself gives you anterior grid amnesia, but it's

important though, because the scene goes on forever and ever

and ever. And I'm assuming it's because

Paul Anka demanded that the entire song is played like from

start to end in the movie. So it's this goes on for about 4

minutes, but it's going to feel like about 15.

So we start we start the scene. They're in the back of this

limo. The the screen is down.

So the drivers just there, and this could have gone either way.

But in this particular instance, the driver's really enjoying it.

And then Kevin is like stripping her down.

And we don't like, we don't cut around this.

We see the whole thing. We seem like taking the top off

to really build her bra. We see her like pulling her

stockings off. It goes on for ages.

And apparently during this bit, Kevin Costner and the limo

driver improvised some dialogue with each other.

So he's like, hey, man, what how you doing?

What's your name? He's like, Bill, hey, how you

doing? Bill?

Do you mind shutting down the slide?

And he's like, oh, yeah, sorry. And he brings us slide up and,

and then Sean Young, again being a bit crazy, goes sorry, Dale.

And then and then as the, and this is my favourite bit, as the

as the slide goes up, we cut to like a slash cut to to the

Washington Monument, erect and lit by floodlights.

And this obviously symbolises Kevin Cosner's erect penis.

And you think that's the end of the scene?

Cool. But no, it cuts back.

And then we see, yeah, more of them making out and making out.

And then it cuts to like another monument in Washington that I

don't know as well. And then a couple more, which is

implying that this is going on for a very, very long time.

So the limousine we have to assume by the time they've got

to their destination is in an absolute state and stinks.

That's important because I. Was going to say yeah.

It smells crazy in there, man. Yeah, All right.

So then then the limo arrives at Susan's friend's apartment.

We don't know that initially. She just rocks into the

apartment. So it's bashed on the door, and

he's like, did you forget your key?

And she's like, no, I have a key for my apartment.

And then the door is answered, and it's answered by Iman, the

supermodel who was married to David Bowie, because it's the

80s. And Susan ejects her from the

flat and says, hey, get in the limo, go back to my place.

I've got food and I've got booze at home.

I just need to fuck this guy in your flat.

And if the phone rings, just ignore it.

But no one, no one's going to call.

Don't worry about it. But I need to fuck this guy here

in this secondary location. And to make that plain to you,

I'm going to take off my coat right now so you can see my

naked breasts in the middle of your hallway.

Also enjoy the absolute stinking and stained limo on the way

back. Well, yeah, exactly right.

Yeah, it's absolutely, it's absolutely wretched.

She's the worst friend. And this is another subtle clue

that Susan might be not a totally compass mentis person.

That's incredibly. Love them, I love her.

Yeah. And then so that happens and

then we kind of fades out and the next cut we go to is like an

undisclosed amount of time has passed.

They're in the back of a taxi. Tom is now dressed in full dress

Blues number ones, and he's shipping up to to go on

deployment. So we don't know how long

they've been together for, but they've kept it going.

So you assume with that kind of energy that would be A1 nighter.

But Nope, no, he stuck around. Yeah, that boom.

Next shot is an Adam's class destroyer shot in day for night

smashing through AC state. For nerd facts.

Specifically this is USS Cochrane in real life.

In the movie, you see them all wearing ball caps and the ball

caps say USS Billings, right? Next thing we see, it's night.

Tom is walking up to the bridge. I'm going to assume this is

somewhere in the middle watch, so between midnight and 4:00 in

the morning. And the office of the watch goes

a little early for you to be relieving me.

Meaning that Tom holds obviously in the dogs morning watch, which

is a bit weird because he's a left hand commander and you

wouldn't expect them to be an officer of the watch on a on a

ship of that size. Hey, whatever, I'm just a nerd.

They'll discuss how the the state of the they're in some

heavy weather. Sorry.

Go ahead, Sonia. Professional nerds.

Yep. Well, thank you.

Yeah. So they have a short exchange

the the standing officer of the watch and and Tom about the

state of the heavy weather because you could feel the ship,

it started slamming into some heavy weather a bit.

And they say, look, you're shipping to the folks or have

you run? You got to look out close up

there. And it's like, yeah, as best

standing orders as a lookout closed up on the folks and Tom's

like have you told the captain? And the officer watch says

something absolutely demented. He goes no, do you want to be

the one that wakes him up? Yes, man, Yeah, you do Like

like, like that's what he gets paid the big bucks for and he's

going to want to know. So like super nerd fact.

But ship seals normally have a set of night orders they give to

the office of the watches for ship driving orders,

instructions overnight and normally some standing ones that

are normally always in there. And if it's sustained high winds

and sea state, they're going to want to know about that so that

they can, you know, plastered not on it the right thing.

Else what should have done here is stop being a fucking pussy

called the captain. But before you even did that,

you should have brought the lookout in and said, look, we

don't need a lookout on the folks.

All because this is 1987 and radar exists and it isn't

reduced visibility, but the looks of things as well.

It's like a clear, clear night as well.

So it's like, what's this going on here anyway?

It offers to watch. Next thing that happens, they

talk about a Russian sub that's meant to be in the area and how

they're going to catch up with it.

Let me just say right now that lookout was not going to see a

Russian sub. And then Tom makes an offhand

remark about how he's not bothered about doing so.

He's like, Oh, yeah, OK, we find him, then you know, it'll be

over for all of us. This is clue #2 that he's not

interested in looking for the Russian sub and he's trying to

subvert the ship in its mission for doing so.

But then before that gets to develop forward anymore, the the

boosters mate makes a big loud LVA that the forward lookout is

down and he's fallen over. And I've got opinions about

this. So this scrambles a special

rescue detail to retrieve the man while the journal alarm

sounds. Hey, guess what?

The captain's awake. And then Tom, sorry about she's

got real zesty at this office of watch who doesn't exist.

Yeah, I brought it up yesterday, so.

Right. It's fucking bullshit.

And then then Tom runs out onto the folks or to rescue the guy,

OK. And it's painted like he's a

hero. And I, and I know why they've

done it. Like for plot reasons, they need

to get a picture of him in the paper.

They need to be heroic. And they couldn't have enemy

action taking place because he can't just leave the ship.

Then after that, I guess. So they had to make it into this

bizarre near miss situation. But let me just tell you right

now, the forward lookout was wearing a rest of wire, which

did its job. He didn't wash overboard, he

washed over the guardrail, but he he put some effort.

He probably got himself back again, but he was safe.

In the meantime, while the party that were getting rigged to go

out there and rescue him, Tom was not wearing the rest of

wire, made himself a potential man of a board casualty.

And if he'd gone overboard, he would have died 100% would have

died. Overall, this incident would not

have left the ship. They might have put in a sort of

near miss kind of report if that kind of culture even existed in

the late 80s in the US Navy. I'm not convinced it probably

did. But this would have been so

embarrassing because they would have started peeling back the

layers. They've been like, hang on a

minute, hang on a minute. So let me get this straight.

Like one of your pee was probably I got up in the middle

of the night, went to the bridge.

You were in rough weather, but the officer watched, still had a

lookout closed up and he didn't order for the lookout to come

back in or get or past that. None of you called the captain.

The guy got washed overboard and then you were out on your own

without an arrest of Warren to bring him back in.

Why didn't you call the captain and captain?

Why haven't you got better control over officers?

Just just just a load of fucking shit.

So, so that was A to me like military like fucking naval wise

looking diabolical situation. Shouldn't let the ship a total

embarrassment. Tom's a hero.

He's a fucking idiot. Anyway, next scene then we cut

to Thomas picture in the paper and Senator Bryce is really good

right. So Gene Hackman, Senator Bryce,

they're having a rooftop garden overlooking the capital and the

Washington Monument, all that good stuff.

And he's waiting for Scott Pritchard, his assistant to come

and arrive. And then when he does, they're

talking about their big deal they have going on at the

Defence Department at the moment, which is the procurement

of a new type of submarine called the Phantom Sub.

And it, it's this giant Sabrine that's supposed to be the size

of an aircraft carrier. It's costing a tonne of money

through the the lumbering behemoth that is the military

industrial complex. It's going to find its way to

fruition if it isn't killed dead by Secretary Bryce.

And he wants to kill it. You know what?

Say what you know about this guy.

I mean, obviously he murdered his girlfriend and everything.

That's pretty bad. But he's right about this.

Like, you know, simple physics dictates you you can't hide an

arc carrier underwater. You can do things to reduce your

acoustic emissions, but not that much should make and even pretty

much says so in the movie. So that's pretty right anyway.

I know all of this thing about the whole circus button sound,

yes. Like the bit about the whole

submarine mission creep thing. It's really interesting to me

because I mean, the, the film tells us that there's this

massive bloated defence procurement plan for this, this

gigantic submarine based on the fact that they think that some,

some mythical Russian submarine that they're going to, they're

going to be combating with it. And it's like, sounds about like

Infracoba for a start, which is brilliant.

But I, I, I just do love the idea that like it's, it's sort

of was it, was it the F15 project was born out of the

American paranoia that the Russians had some insanely super

fast interceptor that they just didn't have.

And ads, ads, ads, ads. Find that interesting?

Yeah, man. So I, I, I don't want to talk

out of school here about my own experiences with, with military

procurement because I don't want to bring my service into

distribute. Not that I am, you know,

equipped enough to be able to do that.

I, I don't have all the inside track, but from the stuff that

you've seen in open media about the procurement of the QE class

carrier and the Type 45 destroyer, a lot of these

projects, they're decided a long, long time ago.

And there's a lot of effort that goes into getting a design

together and a design freeze happens.

And then like we're talking 1015 years later, we're finally

cutting steel. So what you have is like these

projects are handed over to people after people, after

people and with like very little continuity.

There's the, the, the number of people who were at the very

beginning, let's say of the QEC project who were still there at

the final delivery of HMS Queen Elizabeth.

Like it can't be that many, especially not the ones in

military as well who are, are pretty much moving on after like

2 years pretty much in each job. You might have some mod civil

servants who who saw the majority of it.

But again, like it's such a long period, you know, it's unlikely

that someone would have said the whole time.

And that's pretty much what's going to be happening with this,

this phantom sub here. So they mentioned in the movie a

handful of different, well, they mentioned one contractor,

something called Gulf Marine. So that basically what happens

with these things is you, you have a, you have a, the

government facing procurement agency for the, for the, for the

military, the HMR forces, it's the defence equipment and

support agency DENS. And they are like essentially

the project managers of a, of a, of an acquisitions project for,

for the RN. We have the, the blue states

side of things, which is NAVIAC as well.

So the other people who are responsible to give, they ask

and DNS would be all responsible for putting together the project

management of delivering in. And then on the other side of

that, what you've got is all of the contractors and the various

other companies and corporations that are involved as the

delivery kind of thing, the OEM, the original equipment

manufacturer. So what happened is Navy will

say to DNS, we need an air carrier that needs to be able to

do these things. They put together that proposal,

send out a tender and all these other companies come along and

and start working on it. The problem that you get, and I

think what's being alluded to in this movie, and I've absolutely

no evidence for happening in in in the UKI should say is in

thriller movies anyway, is that there's a shit tonne of

corruption is like it's all glad handing.

It's dropped to the boys and it's it's all that kind of

stuff. And that's like totally a space

we're operating in in this movie.

It seems weird that this is like a little sort of it gets like it

gets like 2 scenes in the movie where they talk about the

Phantom sub. But to me it is like the mood is

operandi of the movie because like this is clearly the reason

why Tom is being positioned where he is like as in as in by

his handlers, whilst it isn't given much.

And and I quite like this movie, feel like trust in the audience

to like figure all that out. Like to figure out that, right,

OK, there's a phantom sub that clearly America wants to build

and this guy wants to kill it. Let's put a guy right next to

him who's going to undermine him so that they definitely,

definitely build this awful submarine so that we can easily

find this terrible submarine. Cool.

That was a bit of an aside. Next we go to Manila.

So man, I love this sequence. So it's so short, but it's so

good. So Tom, surely in the

Philippines, it hits within like 30 seconds.

All the classics for being out in the Far East in a, in a movie

like this. So the very first thing you see

is a cultivation prostitutes straight away.

Boom, here's your prostitutes. Then you get the next thing you

get is this little kid who's like trying to scam them and

it's really obvious. Can can I just I, I, if I've not

paid all too much attention to to the phantom sub theme

throughout the the film itself, unfortunately, but you've just

brought it to my special attention again and and I've got

giant bloody large bug on Cold War submarines in front of me

right now. And that that would actually,

given the procurement times and the the construction idea times

will actually add up with the US starting to develop the Wolf

Pass, which is, well, it would have been of of particular

interest from the Soviet Navy. Yeah, absolutely.

They started building them in the 90s.

So if if you're in the 80s and they're doing stuff in the 80s,

throughout the 90s, they were still building the Ohio's and

just start building them as well.

So this is, this is a very niche, nerdy thing to do right

now. But submarine?

This is a very niche nerdy podcast, Sonya.

The Cold War has been rather much faster than than military

procurement is today, I think. Yeah.

Oh, because there's way more money in it.

Yeah, it's it's totally different from from nowadays.

I think the the timelines and also the complexity of the

equipment, I think is, I think I don't know if it was faster back

then because because it wasn't as advanced.

I don't really know. But I think now the sheer amount

of automation that they they they put into ships, it takes

them quite a lot longer, I think to to to get those things

figured out in the in the development stage.

But that's a really good point. And while we're on the subject

of the of the submarine one was I'm like coming out pretty

pretty shortly after this movie, as as you mentioned earlier on

hunt for October and then Gene happen, of course, we go on to

being Crimson Tide. So that guy loves submarines.

So back-to-back to Manila, right.

So what little kid running a scam clue #3 OK, this bag

dropped with a little little St urgent.

So he hands in the bag even though he knows it's going to be

a scam at him and he's off to the watch pal go chase after the

kids. But he stops and he's like no,

let him go, let him go. What's he got?

He's got a bag with some some skimpies and a toothbrush.

No big deal. And that's obviously mentioned

in the final scene where he does say like the his handler does

say to him you're you're Little Joe Camilla with the bag of

underwear. Wasn't appreciated by the by the

grown-ups, but ha ha ha ha ha. Always, always, always, always a

sense of humour with you. And then it cuts.

Well then he says to his his friend he's going to go and look

to buy some ashtrays and then he's going to go and sample some

of the local folk dancing. Cut to a titty bar and and then

and then this. And then this is amazing.

So I don't really understand why he does this.

He's in a titty bar in Manila, but it doesn't matter how many

Filipino tits he sees. He really wants to talk to

Susan. So he's trying to connect to

call with her through a paid phone that's next to the bar.

And he eventually gets the call to connect to take the ages.

And then she she picks up the phone and she hears the sound of

the titty bar. And I thought the first time I

watched it, I was like, oh, she just like annoyed because it's

the son of a titty bar and just hangs up.

But no, she hears Tom talking. Then she has to hang up because

her super jealous Param or walks into the room.

So he hangs with the phone and then Bryce walks in and it's

horny olds defence secretary Bryce.

So that's that's who's that's who she's with besides Tom.

And then Tom in response to this and I, I think this is probably

in the script, but I would love it to be an outfit.

Tom just tears the phone off the wall and then he orders a beer.

Yeah. Which of us hasn't done that?

To be fair, I don't know if you know this, but payphones from

the bar are free. I keep several payphones in my

office. You know this, but you can can

totally hook up stolen payphones to secure lines as well.

This. Would still let people use their

landline to make a phone call. My God, Yeah, I don't remember

that. I don't know why online phones

still have a landline on them. Yeah.

As we had. Good time.

Yeah, yeah. Sorry though, that was just a

total lamp. Mourning the death of the fax

machine. Oh well, we're going to talk

about media that prints. You've come to the right movie,

man, So. We'll get you that one late.

So so that was his deployment. So he basically sailed to

Manila, got himself involved in a terrible health and safety

incident, did some property damage, and now he's flown home.

So the next thing we see is Farrell getting out of a car,

arriving back at his his flat, his rig now is chop threes,

which is what he's going to be wearing for pretty much the rest

of the movie. And then he goes in, he sees his

typically uncertain landlords because he doesn't have a very

strong accent because I think that would give the game away

too much. So he's just got an accent from

somewhere. And then he drops on Susan

straight away and she calls him the Ancient Mariner, lol.

Which is funny because Kevin Costner would then play the

Mariner in Water World. And then, and then it's really

apparent, and this is another, and this is another subtle clue

that Susan might not be all there.

So this is like the middle of the day, right?

And she is blitzed. Like she's absolutely she's

playing it like heavily drunk, right?

And she's being, and I don't know if there's Sean weird, Sean

Young being weird again. And then what happens is he

picks her up because the script I guess demands that he picks

her up and takes her to bed. Although I would say that this

is ethically not really on because she's so drunk.

Anyway, she again does delivers some kind of Buffy the Vampire

Slayer level dialogue. She's like, I wrote you, but I'm

semi literate. So it was a wastebasket time.

If you call gonorrhoea, I'll kill you.

And I'm like, what the fuck was that?

And it's like blinking, you'll miss it, but but this woman has

like no personality, like apart from just being really weird all

the time. Wasted And now she announces I'm

wasted When when he when he comes like like like like just

be literally not just deer drinking.

She's been breakfast drinking. She's like breakfast martinis

with the girls and by the girls. I've been just me, and by

breakfast martinis I've been half a bottle of Stoli.

Bloody Mary, hold the tomato juice.

Eat. I think this might be the

performance that Tommy Wiser was looking at when he thought, this

is how I'm going to play Johnny Drunk in the room.

I love you, darling. Just just like it's the same

character. Yeah.

So, so Tom's carrying out the bed, right?

And he carries it into her bedroom.

And this is good 'cause we got a nice geographical layout of the

room she's gonna get killed in later.

But we carries to the bedroom and she makes.

Yeah, exactly. And then she makes some kind of

oblique reference to how Tom's about to raw Dogger.

And Tom, even Tom finds this a bit much and he starts to blast

and, and then a whole bunch of stuff happens in like 20

seconds. So like she receives a phone

call. And because she's so paranoid

about the phone call, she Yanks the phone out of the wall and

puts it on the floor, which we don't even look at because the

camera is panning away to to to Tom as he's about to hide behind

a curtain for some reason at the same moment.

It's really nuts. And then she gets up, runs

across the camera, pans back, and she picks up a polar camera

to take a picture of Tom because he's blushing.

And then Tom, this is clean #4 Tom says in a super serious,

like not fucking her own way, no pictures.

And then and then if eventually he starts laughing, but he

obviously what intelligence operative once their photo

taken, not this one. And then eventually he kind of

chills out and relaxes. They do take a photo, but at the

precise moment he takes the photo, he looks off to the left,

which is not the goof. There's a little goof potential

error by the by, by the filmmaker later on when you go

into the the Polaroid. But anyway, Tom, sorry, then

Susan, sorry, then looks at Tom's penis like like he stood

up. She's like on the edge of the

bed and she's like, you probably haven't seen any of this, Rory.

And then she's like caressing like his junk.

And then she says a sentence which is so incredible that I'm

going to leave you in suspense until we talk about our

favourite quotes in the movie at the end.

It's absolutely insane. And I'm convinced, I am

convinced this wasn't in the screenplay and it has to be from

Sean Young's mind. It's so twisted.

So that's that. And then finally the movie

starts and we go to the Pentagon.

So I think we've discussed already maybe that quite a lot

of the movie was actually shot on the Pentagon, including in

the actual defence secretary's office at some points.

And you see like a lot of these really long hallways, like you

see the NATO hallway, all the flags and stuff.

But like, it is legitimately the Pentagon, which I think is kind

of amazing access. Wild to me.

Bear in mind the kind of of the film, yeah.

How much kept from kept from the Pentagon.

I wonder how much the DoD actually knew about.

Well, yeah. Ah, big sign.

It's a subject on a film. What?

I mean, it's like, yeah, we're just making a thriller.

It's it's it's actually pretty periodic, guys.

Yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

No, it's so. Guys, we're just done filming

our boobs. Can we have the situation room

for a minute? Yeah.

It's like, right, OK, that's, that's it for titty shots.

That's that's do the serious stuff.

Let's get back What's the Pentagon?

Into it properly. Show me the big computers with

the tapes. You know what?

I really want to exist. I really want that to exist

somehow. I really want that to somehow

exist. Behind the scenes footage when

Sean Young somehow got herself into the Pentagon and she was

just wandering around like beer drunk, out of character, just

beer drunk. It's just Sean Young, just like

just like talking a random like like like like like like random

fucking O sixes and stuff and be like hi, I'm Sean Young.

I've got borderline personality disorder.

I'm drunk. I'm going to steal some

stationary now, you know, like like it's like yeah, it's like

Sean Young like walks in like the ladies toilets on on like

the fifth floor next sets the toilet paper on fire just to

Sean Young. It's like can't help me to

Pisces. Oops, I'm a Capra son.

Sorry guys but the vibes are wrong and I'm going to just do

some awesome now. I think she's good.

She's it's going to hold her boobs into the face of the chief

of Naval Operations and then told him for being short or

something. I was like, look, look at this a

little bad. All of your all, all of your war

machine can't get this. That just works out.

Amazing. I would like to say that

actually Sean Young brings an important energies to this

movie. She'd just been a bit less of an

interesting character. I don't think this movie would

have worked as well. I don't think it would have her

character being alive for as long as she's alive in this

movie considering she's the inciting incident.

Wouldn't have worked, I don't think if she'd been like less

interesting to watch the fact that she's like absolutely nuts

and it's probably quite divisive, like some people

probably hate her, but I think she's incredible.

She's just she's got like a manic expression on her face the

whole time and it's just it's just so weird.

And like if you go from like people our age, like we first

see Sean Young and and for a lot of us only see Sean Young in

Blade Runner, right? Just go from her performance as

Rachel and Blade Runner to this like a few years later.

Like, those five years were hard years for Sean Young because

like some, you know, she must have been like, struggling.

She probably thought she was going to get a big break When

when when later on I did so well and she kind of did some of the

big, bigger stuff. But like, she was really

struggling to get taken seriously and just get the big

rules. And I think she was getting

market corrected it by people like Michelle Pfeiffer and

stuff. So yeah, hard time.

But I think should bring this. Yeah, I I think she brings like

a like a fantastic energy of the film.

And I think it was probably hard to replace and that role as

well. Yeah, I was trying to, like,

rock my brain for like, who would work instead of Sean Young

because the character's so unique.

She's like she seems at once like really worldly but and

bored like when she's like arriving to these, these these

sort of soirees and stuff. But she has like a real naivety

when she's doing like the sexy stuff, like she's almost play

acting what she thinks a sexy person is like.

And it's just it's just it's just hits.

It's like this is like maybe like the kind of mentality of

like a teenage girl maybe, which I know it sounds like this.

I'm not trying to be derogatory about her or women or anything.

I'm just saying, like, her character just comes across as

someone who's a lot more naive than she lets on when she's got

her armour on, when she's suited and booted for these these sores

and stuff. Like when she's with Tom, she

kind of like strips down to, to this kind of like really weird,

vulnerable, but also like, manic state.

It's so weird. Yeah.

You can't tell if it's chemically induced or if she is

just generally that happy. It's so weird.

Yeah. So progressing with the movie, I

guess. So Tom, we basically catch him

arriving at the Pentagon and go straight to the deaf sex office

and, and Bryce gives him a little brief about what his job

is. He says he's going to be

assistant and he's going to be a liaison between his office and

the CIA. Because what he wants is he

wants the DoD to do a little bit of spying on the CIA to find out

all the data that they've got on the phantom submarine.

So what he believes what Bryce is is pretty paranoid about is

that they're going to try and push through the phantom

submarine by over again the numbers and how good it is.

He wants the raw data so he can refute those claims and kill the

project. Then as we discussed already

about the the the submarine thing, then Tom is showing down

to the room by one of my favourite characters in the

movie, this weird little bitch ass of Lieutenant whose career

path I can't possibly fathom. Like, like why there's some

lieutenants running around in the Pentagon, like who give them

security clearance. Like these guys don't know the

rash from their elbow. Like what's going on?

Like, no, no. Well, hang on a minute.

That might have come off from that's not what I meant saying

yeah, but like, whatever. What I mean is you believe in

your heart of hearts, you should be.

As a proposed and somebody's cried out in pain and then were

silenced. We've all been one before, man.

We all know what it's like. Oh, you know, you, you don't

know your job yet. That's the whole thing.

But I think maybe this guy might have some influential family and

maybe that's why they're there. I don't know if they let

sublifants into the Pentagon, into the situation of the

Pentagon. If they are, you know, please

write in, let me know. Cool.

Tom busts his chops as he should, and then he sees his old

pal. I mean, like they, they often

joke like if you're in a piss in the Pentagon, like if you're

even if you're a commander, you're probably still like the

least senior person in the room. And you're probably making the

wets like a so lieutenant's got no chance.

So Tom sees his old friend Sam Hesselman again, who would

presume must be from like, when he was at the Office of Naval

Intelligence or something. And this is one of the cool

things in the movie. This guy's a wheelchair user.

And it's never mentioned once in the movie.

It's like one of the only things that I think age as well.

Yeah, definitely. I've.

I've got a few opinions about Sam as well, a few things that

have noted when I was watching the film.

I like how he appears to be one of the first iterations of the

kind of worky forensics guy, the kind of quirky, quirky forensics

guy in the military slash law enforcement setting that

eventually kind of builds up to like the kind of total, total

quirk Lord characters would say like Abby and NCIS, who's like

just like a hot topic shop exploded inside the the lab, you

know, with his, with his, with his, with his stick arrows

caught some drug drive. And I'm not a I'm not a

stuntman. I like that.

Yeah, yeah. I've also got a theory about him

because, and this is because, yeah, because this is me being

noticing wardrobe kind of things.

I noticed that he's he's got his watch turned round.

Allah, John Wick in, you know, that military fashion that

people that like and like John Wick, it's used to show when

he's going into action, he turns his watch round the faces.

Look at him, he has his, uh, still suit rigged that, that's

that fashion with his, with his watch being all John Wickerfied

and uh, you know, in, in, in what people think of as in terms

of visual storytelling. Azure what military dies too?

I wonder if, I wonder if these he's actually ex forces and got

himself injured and then with his GI, Billy went to college

and became a computer science guy.

And I like that for him. I love that for him.

Hey, man, that's, that's a really good theory because like

he's also cutting about in one of those like, umm, hunting like

vest things with all the pockets on it.

And I like to imagine probably like before, before the

accident, before the IED or whatever it was.

Yeah, he probably like used to do a lot of hunting and stuff.

That's why he still has it. And now he just carries those of

pens and shit in it. Yeah, and now he's and and look,

and now the hunting he's doing is forensically through

computers and the Fournier sequence and generative AI.

Fuck yeah. Easy to use, just computers.

Everything is. Cool.

So now here comes a scene that I don't think you would have seen.

So the next thing is we're back at Susan's and just to wake us

all up, after all that exposition, Kevin Costner not

wearing a shirt and he's just wearing jeans and holy crap,

he's like an incredibly hairy chested man.

I didn't I didn't have that on the cards for for Kozna.

But then we see and then we see Susan pick up this jewellery box

and we're going to see this in flashback layer as well, because

it's a it's a, it's a, it's a plot relevant jukebox and she's

put on some earrings and that and then she they have a bit of

an argument because, because Tom is a bit jealous, because all

the men are jealous in this movie.

Like every man is jealous. I think of somebody else.

And then Susan reveals that she's shagging Bryce and he's

like, Hey, you know, I work for him, right?

You know, I work for Bryce And she's like, that makes two of

us, which is that doesn't doesn't go that hard because she

doesn't actually work for him, but she is paying his rent.

Apparently. We we learn later on.

Cool. And then Pritchard goes to pick

her up for this function because obviously Bryce can't pick her

up because Bryce is going to take his wife.

What a drag. And then we see Tom and who is

going to the same event, right, but wasn't getting ready.

And then we see him in the house wearing his like dress trousers

and his shirt unbuttoned, no tie and he's smoking as if he's

contemplating whether or not he's going to go to this event.

And then he does go to the function.

And I, I initially said he crashes the function, but he

doesn't see hands over an invitation.

So he was invited. So he's just tardy so that he

goes. And then what happens is that

you miss. So this whole function is a

celebration of New Zealand's National day.

It's worth pointing out right now that Roger Donaldson, the

director included this because he wanted stuff from like around

that part of the world, but actually he's Australian.

But anyway, Rig, I'm going to point all the rig all the time.

It's white. So he's doing trop number twos

now. So he's wearing white jacket,

black trousers, yellow comma band again.

And then we see this Mario dancing.

So like there's a bunch of guys there and they do the hacking

and they've got weapons and stuff.

And I don't know why that was kind of your YouTube version

because that's just culture. I don't know what the problem is

I. Mean I'm I mean that's bullshit

made-up. Sorry to be very blunt, but I

don't get why that specifically was cut out.

I mean, I can understand. I mean, I don't agree with the

removal of the sex scenes and all the swear words and all that

cool things that you know yeah, agree to and you tell YouTube,

yes, I am 18 yes, I am totally cool with seeing Sean Young, you

know, getting done in the back of a limo.

That was very eloquent there, Rory.

But yeah, but yeah, and and and it baffled me why this scene was

was taken out. Like what what man, people being

cool. It's like, I mean, is is is is

some like fucking anti Maori agenda going on here because

that's bullshit. If there is or or or did the but

I mean, because the studio's got to be providing this to YouTube,

right. YouTube probably don't have the

rights to say we're going to cut this out, we're going to cut

that out, We're going to your, you know, remove that and yeah.

It strikes me as like one of those like aeroplane cuts you

get where like they would cut out like all the all the fun

stuff because you don't want like kids in the adjacent seats

seeing you watch the fun stuff. I wonder.

But yeah, weird. There's an abrupt cut now to

their dirty weekend. So basically the next thing that

happens is Tom and Susan are playing a little chip away.

You have you have another interaction with the ethnically

uncertain landlords who says he's prying?

He's asking. He's asking like what they're

doing, basically. And he's like, oh, I'm sorry for

prying. You enjoy your weekend.

We got a driving montage with another cheesy a song also by

Paul Anka called Say It. And I don't remember a single

bit of this one. And then and then and then like

in quick succession, a handful of demented things happens

again. This movie's so strange.

So they're driving along in the car and then and then you see

Tom like eating something and then Susan's like, are you

eating bugs? Like that's gross.

And he's like, Oh yeah, I'm just going to get another one.

And he stands up in the car, reaches around the windshield.

It's like, umm, it's like a drop top.

And he reaches around the windshield, picks up a family

off the off the windshield like a dead bug and shoves it in his

mouth and starts eating it. And they're laughing about it.

And then she's like I. Love.

Tom Farrell I do, I do, I do. And it's like same person would

have got the ick there so hard. Like I would have stopped the

car and be like mate, you need to get out.

That's insane. Yeah.

I mean, I'm like, I'm a boss, Kevin Costner, who does that

amounts of risk. But still, it's like it's as

Kevin Costner. He was just straight up eating

insects at this point. There's a substantial here that

that Tom Farrell, who's obviously on assignment here to

sue this this woman because she's she's close to Senate

Secretary Bryce is almost like he's chanting himself to see how

much much you can get away with and still, still shagger.

It's almost like, right, OK, what, what can I possibly do to

get this woman in the egg and then see if it works And I go,

right, I'm going to eat some bugs off the windshield and then

just see if that works and it doesn't work.

I'm going to take this fucked up hotel where it clearly looks

like AB and D and yet the bellhopper going to take us to

the room is wearing some kind of weird French revolutionary garb.

Like what the fuck? I love it.

It's ridiculous. It's like someone from the cast

of fucking Hamilton. It's amazing.

You can expect them to say little, like how does the

custard of and Sons of a Whore and the Scotsman, etcetera.

It's amazing. He's just just like, like we had

like Revolutionary War kind of dandy.

He was just like high. So that's yeah.

So there's one more thing about the the bugs.

I don't know if you are I'm assuming you you're weird

survival training stuff that your army does is the same.

But like having to eat bugs is like very I'm doing special

forces Co-op hiding in the woods things.

So I'm pretty certain it's having to to survive somewhere

without food and eating bugs has probably been been part of like

weird Russian. Oh yeah, training their

equivalent of of sea and and of eating like bugs and stuff.

You. Know weird not to to.

Such a weird collection. Yeah, the Soviet version of Sea

Out was probably horrendous by the way in.

In, in, in Soviet, in in Soviet Union, but no windshield in in

Soviet Union you eat, but because you have not had food,

he's like. Ah, delicacy, just like Papa

used to catch. He just, he just flashes back to

what he's like 7 years old and he's like searching for

cockroaches in the Moscow in that rule.

But it's like Ratatouille. I mean, he eats one and it's

like brings him right back to his childhood.

Like, it's like it's the best buggy he's ever eaten.

It's like, it's like the ones that mum used to make when I

fell off my bike and skimmed by knee.

Oh, my God. Yeah.

What must have his SEER training been like?

Because, like. All right.

So as a glimpse into into like British armed forces SEER

training, like at it's worse, like see a Charlie basically for

regular personnel, you have to, you get dumped in the in the

middle of nowhere for a bit. You've got to survive for a

period of like hours. What happens is they dump you

off in the middle of nowhere and then they send people to find

you with like dogs and stuff to sniff you out.

And your idea is that you're going to survive off the land.

You're not meant to go to people's houses and take stuff

off them. You're going to survive off the

land. And so eventually you're caught

and you will get caught eventually.

And then they punch into a back of a van, take you to another

undisclosed location, put you on a chair and they do some like

sort of stuff that's like sketching the, the edges of

breaking the Geneva Convention. So they might hug you for a

little bit, they might tie to a chair.

And then they interrogate you to check that you are given like

the stock responses. So like your service number and

like you might have say like by the Geneva Convention, you're

not allowed to ask me that and that kind of stuff, which is

ridiculous. And then the big day about CA

training is that they're, they're only allowed to hit you

twice or something in the, in the back of your mind, I

presume. I haven't actually done this

level of CA, you know, total nose bag talking about this.

You know, in the back of your mind you must be thinking like,

well, he's only got like a couple of hits in him and then

it'll be all over. So I'll just keep my gulp shot

until that's finished. And this is the training that

like fire pilots and stuff go through in case they're damned

in like, you know, hostile territory and stuff.

What I'm imagining Toms was like was probably like that bit in

Casino Royale where where Daniel Craig stripped naked and put on

a chair with the bottom taken out and then bit in the box with

a with a rope. So.

What makes you think this was my first time?

Currently, the Soviet military didn't have a formal, formal ICR

training programme, but instead things like survival, escape and

invasion. But just like kind of routinely

rolled into their training. Apparently, according to some

Google, and I've just done so, the ability training included

this stuff, but it wasn't like a formally named programme.

So I was really going to run a Google desk because I thought I

wanted to see it was really bad. Like it was like fucking really

brutal like 10 then leave and only 9 can come back.

You've got to eat one year course mates or something, you

know? Just drive you out to a field

and like right this is the Thunderdome 2 men enter one man

and the guy and the guy who leaves we had to we had to

auction all his kitten and and the guy who killed him gets to

keep the boots. Does not leave the thing.

It's a spare boots. You know, he's like the only

boots are an issue for the next 25 years of service.

You know what, while we're Googling random service related

things, I might have found out what's what's just irritating me

so much about about the rank slides on the UK.

So just context for this. Sonia is unhappy about the size

of the stars on Tom's uniform. Not not not just the the stars,

but the the general size of the entire rank slide.

So I I I've looked it up. Theoretically they are supposed

to be the same width that your ranks slides are, and are around

1 1/2 centimetres wider than the ones I get.

What they do tend to be, however, is significantly

shorter. So they are they are about two

centimetres shorter than you this yours, or a lot more than

mine. Probably this.

I'm aware this makes me probably sound severely unhinged and

autistic, but they they do just look too giant because they're

almost, well, square. It's weird.

They have, they just have generally weird proportions.

Well, that don't worry about looking intense autistic.

You're on a podcast, mate. Yeah.

I mean, we're all we, we all float down here.

So the next thing we see is Tom goes to rent a yacht for Susan.

So we got on a boat for a bit and there's only a shit little

plastic ones. So he bribes the guy there so he

can get the owners nice fancy proper yacht, like some sort of

some sort of sailing contested type thing, which he does.

And this is important because this guy, as is the weird

Bellhopper, both going to come back later.

Cool. And then they go to see some

really kind of like sad dower 80s music plays a little bit

serene on for some reason yells, God, I wish the Navy was still

like this, Which, you know, I don't think ever was like that

because, you know, you're just tooling about a yacht.

But cool. Ultimately they do a little bit

of semanship movers. I think they they get ready to

attack and he talks her through how the attacking and she gets

to the to shout Helmsley and all that stuff.

And it's really nice. And what I would say is this

scene walks. So the sailing scene and topkick

Maverick could run absolutely great.

And then and then finally, at minute 45 into the movie, we

return home and this is it, the murder.

So firstly, can we just address how late into the movie that

Susan has killed? Her death is like the inciting

incident of the plot and it happens like 46 minutes into the

movie. I think it's excellent.

I think it's a very good choice in the film.

Yeah, same. Because you're expecting her.

If she were, if you were, if you were thinking she was going to

die, you'd expect it to be killed at like minute 25, like

top of the first act, right? It has developed very slowly it.

Doesn't fold in a way that I don't think.

Despite the fact that movies are a lot longer now, generally

speaking, than they were in this time, I don't think this kind of

movie is being made as much. And I think if it were, I don't

think they roll out these inciting incidents like whatever

page on the screenplay this is at.

Yeah, I mean, if if anything was starting with the with the with

the flashback still, but it's going to be a flashback to her

getting killed rather than to Tom being being being

interrogated. And then through the kind of

like storytelling we've seen films that are coming out

roughly in kind of current year would would sing her, her taking

up some of the film, but not a whole 45 minutes out of.

No, she's she's, she's dead. She's dead wife at the start.

Isn't she kind of thing. She you see her like in videos

that people look at on their mobile phones and stuff.

You don't you don't get to see very much of her at all.

I don't think the other the other thing.

Actually would like more on flashbacks and stuff but yeah.

Oh, totally right. And then I think the other thing

you miss as well, if you're making this film now, what

they'd cut out was all that stuff at sea, all the other

stuff. What would happen is you

wouldn't have two functions. You'd have one function in the

first act of the movie. And what would happen is you'd

go to the function Pritchard was introducing to Senator Bryce.

And because Senator Bryce, this is my friend Tom Lewis had calls

together. This is the guy I was telling

you about. He's the hero from USS Billings

who saved that guy's life. And then he's like, ah, I could

use AI, could use a hero at my department, come to work for me

tomorrow kind of thing. And then that's how you'd get

him into the door of the Pentagon.

And it was cut out about like 1520 minutes of the movie.

Which sucks because and also yes, yes, the record, that's

partially what the YouTube cut does because it gets rid of the

second function, however you do so get obviously Bryce's.

We had actually like, oh, this is this is my friend.

Yeah, OK, cool, whatever kind of thing.

But yeah, yeah, you are totally right in that assessment, man.

Yeah, right. Cool.

So anyway, back to the murder. So, yeah.

So Bryce, basically what happens is they they arrive back home

straight away, and as soon as they arrive back, the phone's

already ringing and it's Bryce, and he wants to go and see it.

And then there's a bit of an argument between Susan and Tom,

but Tom's like, what the fuck, man?

I'm just going to leave like some kind of thief in the night

of the back door. Like, I'm shagging you.

Everyone should know that I'm shagging you, not Bryce.

And she's like, if you want me to say it, I'll say it.

I'll leave them, Tom. I'll leave them.

She won't leave him. And then he says he's coming

over, and then she's like begging Tom to go out the back

door. And he's like, no, when I leave

it's going to be out the front anyway.

Gilligan cut to him leaving out the back door.

And he stood in an alleyway in the dark and shrouded in shadow.

And he sees getting out of his car, Bryce.

So there's a moment there where Bryce observes a man looking in,

but he doesn't know who it is. And Tom sees Bryce going into

the apartment. As soon as Bryce gets into the

apartment, he's under the idea. He's like, who's that guy?

Who else you fucking, who you were with all weekend?

Who is he? I don't know who he is.

And he punches her in the face and then she runs upstairs.

He follows her. They have a tussle on the bed.

He slaps her again. I think he exclaims while he's

kind of choking her that he pays her rent.

And then they fight in the hallway a little bit again.

And then in a weird moment, he pushes her and she falls

backwards over the balcony. And then this is cut and filmed

really weirdly. So it goes into super slow

motion. He's like, you can see Bryce

trying to grab her to to save her because he already like his

gut instinct is that this is the wrong thing to do to grab her.

But then she falls and she kind of like they must have loaded

her on a wire and then this slowed the footage down further.

So they must have filmed at high speed, slowed because her arms

are flailing like tonnes in what must have been like a split

seconds fall. Yeah.

Like. A Yeah, it's a bit like it looks

really awfully done. It looks like some you see in a

Kate Bush video. And then she hits the glass

table. The glass table completely

shatters into pieces. And then she lies on top of it,

kind of like dead like Ophelia on top of the on top of the

river kind of thing in Hamlet. But there's no visible damage to

her. But we knew later that she died

of a broken neck. But it doesn't look broken when

we see it. It looks really nicely composed.

Anyway, Ice freaks out, goes to see Pritchard, and then he says

to Pritchard, I think I killed Susan.

And Pritchard says, what happened?

And then Bryce says, I killed her.

Yeah, mate, you killed her. Good, that question.

And then Pritchard goes to clean up Susans apartment to try and

remove any evidence of Bryce being there.

So he's he's pocketing stuff, he's looking around the place.

He finds the negative from the Polaroids that Susan took of Tom

earlier on very important. And then he nearly hears Tom on

the phone. What happens is Tom calls the

apartment when to talk to Susan and then he hears Susan's answer

phone message and I presume must get the ick because Susan's

answer phone message again is you get more evidence of her

character being a bit crazy. So her message is this.

Susan can't come to the phone right now, but wait for the beep

and tell me everything. And like, you've got to imagine

like what that would have been like if she was just alone in

her house recording that message for her own amusement.

Like, I mean, God forbid to go hobbies and stuff, but that that

is crazy. Like so told me hears that he's

like, you know what, actually, I don't have the energies to talk

to this person and then hangs up.

And that probably saved his life.

Next we get a really important bit of exposition between

Pritchard and Bryce where they can cut the whole plan to pin it

on another third person. This this agent called Yuri, who

didn't really exist. Code name Yuri, who all the

other intelligence agencies believe is active in the DoD.

So they're they're going to say we're doing a manhunt for this

guy called Yuri who's connected to this killing.

We're going to find him. None of you guys get involved,

especially not the FBI. Please don't to get involved.

FBI, definitely not the FBI. And then for reasons we learned

in due course, this is to play ironic because the next scene,

Tom is placed in charge of that investigation.

And then and then Thomas handed the dossier of all the details

about who it was because he just thinks, oh, right, there's been

a murderous woman. OK, cool.

He doesn't know that Susan's dead.

He picks up the file, looks at it, sees it's Susan and then he

excuses himself into Bryce's personal toilet and then has a

bit of a panic attack. Clue number 5 or 6 or whatever.

He's panicking because he's just realised that he's the Yuri,

he's being made to hunt, and he thinks that the Yuri hunt is

actually legitimate and it isn't just a cover up.

Yeah, cool. Right.

So the next scene is we're back down in the Situation Room,

which we got introduced to earlier.

We're going to see a tonne of this space now pretty much for

the rest of the movie. So the first thing we see is the

initial investigation, start their home down phone records.

They're talking about doing credit card purchases, but they

haven't started yet because back in the 80s would like a week for

that data to come in anyway. And they're cataloguing physical

evidence taken from the house. So Pritchard, Evil Niles drops

in, he comes in and he drops evidence back with a Polaroid

negative in there because he's confirmed with Bryce that Bryce

isn't in the photo. And then he and the Army major,

there's an Army major plainclothes, he's also heading

up the investigation alongside Tom.

And they're talking about how that picture could still get,

you could still draw a picture from that, that negative, even

if you can't quite see it on the negative, because it could go in

the photo lab. And there's a brilliant bit of

accent from Kevin Costner because he walks up to them just

as that happens and you hear Tom clock it and you see a little

visual pit of dread passing for a split second and he's back in

the room again. So he's been like, that's the

first bit of like, fuck, this could come back to get me.

Cool. The next clue happens here.

I think it's clue 6. So part of this part of his job

is he's talking to the CIA about this phantom sub thing.

And he managed to convince the guy from the CIA to take a

meeting with him and deliver him a drop copy of the report that's

due at the start of the month early.

So this is like, so you can see he's already working his way in

and he's doing his job for Bryce, but he's also doing his

job for his handlers at the same time.

This guy comes in and wants to pick up what they're meeting.

Pritchard's like, just cancel it.

And he's like, and Paro's like, no, it'll look suspicious.

So I want to take the meeting. And then during the meeting

again, Pritchard orchestrates an escape by getting someone to

call them and they're in there. So we can say, Oh, I've got this

agent called before I leave. And then Pharaoh's like, no, you

going ahead. I can I can manage this because

he obviously wants to get that information because now the Nets

closing around to me, he still needs to leave with a product

for his handlers, right? So that's that.

That to me is a clue that that that that he's not always seems

like the fact that he's distracted enough that to

continue wanting to do this this, this stuff, even though he

doesn't really care. Gradually wraps up his spycraft

as the film goes on. Yeah, absolutely.

And this is like, I think that's the first proper 1 of it

actually that you see is the OK right.

He's still on on mission. So the next thing we hear is the

autopsy report. This is interesting for many

reasons. So they, they, they get really

fixated on the stomach contents of Susan at the time of death

and they positive theory that they can use the chemical

pollutants in the fuse that they can extract and analyse and then

they can track down where she ate on her last day so as to

pinpoint her movements. And when I first saw this, I was

like, is, is that a thing? It seems mega advanced for and

really workforce intensive for them to do like now, nevermind

987. My, my, my gut feeling would be

you'd have to have quite a sophisticated database of, of

background data already to do the triangulation.

And this would be like a continually ongoing like

process. I mean, then we've got Roy.

You said you'd find some stuff about this.

So I did look into this briefly. I, I fired up a Google newspaper

search because Reddit was, is this because they say it's up at

Chesapeake Bay, right? They say that they can narrow it

down the up at Chesapeake Bay. So I pulled up like a bit of

Google newspaper searches and a bit of Google and in general on

Chesapeake Bay and turns out incredibly polluted.

And at the time there was a well, it's still kind of going

on. I think it's still a bit messed

up. If you look at like contemporary

newspapers from the 80s and stuff, there's loads and loads

of articles about how how bad the water is in Chesapeake Bay.

If if you Google it, you can see that there's, there was like a

marine dead zone there at one point when there wasn't enough

dissolved oxygen in the water for sea life to exist.

And the interesting thing is it's, it's mainly caused by

agricultural runoff and urban runoff to a lesser extent,

specifically manure from farmers fields.

And there's this whole kind of big kind of controversy with

like a lot of Amish farmers were were doing it as well.

And it's didn't give a shit because that's what they do.

They just raise bonds and just don't give a shit about

technology really. What what what what they're

saying is very matter of factly. Yeah, she's eaten like the poop

fish, you know, she's she's eaten the fish that's full of

shit. And I just love the concept of

of the shit fish because number one, it sounds like a Jim Leahy

like metaphor from Trailer Park Boys.

Like when I got so few whiskies and it was like Randers, they

shit fish and swim in your way. Randers, there's a shit fish

swimming awards. You're Randy Bo Bandy aside

aside from something, as a matter of fact, he just said,

yeah, these this, the seafood, it's full of shit.

It's full of manure. It's full of urban.

It's full of it's full of it's sort of runoff from farms.

It's shitfish, it's crab oysters.

You know it's it's. She's.

Yeah. Devoured the faculans.

She has, she's like devoured the faculant.

It's like so so it's like, yeah, it's it's the fucking hunt for

Brown October, you know what I mean?

Holy crap. Holy crap.

And deep, man, I went deep on that one.

It's that's yeah. We'll get ready to get deep

again. So the next people we meet are

the goons that are working for Pritchard.

So we've got 2 two big tall drinks of water here who are

introduced as having worked with special forces to which Thomas,

like, what the fuck do you mean worked with special forces?

And it's really, really becomes really apparent that they were

guys involved in the US training teams involved in training the

the El Salvador paramilitaries who are supporting the the right

wing government at the time in their long standing civil war

against the far left Marxist groups, which was still

technically ongoing when the movie came out.

War star technically in 1979 didn't end until 1993.

I think a bit of a, a bit of a topical thing in the movie was

these, these two guys who'd been involved in, in, in training

these death squads who, it's perpetrated these, uh, immense,

uh, human rights violations and these two really big massacres

as well. Really interesting.

And when we talk about how this movie had such access into the

Pentagon, I'm assuming that, uh, the military advisers didn't

read the scripts too closely. Were they with the death squads?

They're assassins basically. I'll, I'll really love this

piece as well because you see the visceral reaction, umm, you

see a really visceral reaction from, from Tom against these

guys. And this again, this kind of

shows his, his ideologies. I mean, the fact that he is, he

is still still served in the Soviet Union.

And these guys are, I mean, the part of the American defence

separators, I guess, the part of American foreign policy and the

pretty nasty part of America's kind of hard power.

But also these guys fucking suck.

And to him, these are the guys who there is nothing redeemable

about these guys. These are the guys who were down

in Guatemala or wherever the school of America's they're on

student visas with relaxed groups, women and they're just

teaching teaching. Like you said, they're teaching

people how to kill communists throughout their driving through

for Vilas on dirt bikes and shooting local labour organisers

in the head throughout that killing leftist politicians

throughout their arranging fucking Chilean helicopter

rides. And he's just very, very, very

viscerally pissed off at these people.

It's it's one of the few times, along with no pictures, if you

will have that he that he almost lets it slip.

He's a good spy, but there's a few things that make him kind of

snap a little bit. And I think that's one of them.

And I love these guys. I think these guys are fucking

brilliant. Canon probably will talk at

length about these once, once we dig in and the two sequences

where they really shine. Oh yeah, these two guys, let's,

let's, let's give them their due as well.

So we've got Let's get their names up.

I think you've got Marco Bell. Yeah, by Fred Thompson and and

Leon Russell playing Kevin O'Brien, I think.

No, no. So the goons are Contra number

one and Contra #2 that's Marshall Bells.

And contract 2 is Chris D This This is possibly the best

casting of a Chris single initial since Chris R in the

room. You know, Christie's actually

the singer of a punk band called The Flesh Eaters.

I did not know that. That's incredible.

Yes, Christie is, in fact, has been the same.

Yeah, yes, Yes, it is. It's also a punk band.

It's been gone since like the 70s, I think.

And Christie's been their front man for forever.

Yeah. So the guy playing Conroe woman

to Marshall Bell, who's a character actor who's done a

bunch of roles, He's he's been in fucking everything.

Oh, he's been in Total Recall. He's in.

Stand by Me. Star Ship Troopers, would you

like to know more? Oh, that's.

Right in. Regard it also, and he's still

very active now as well. Yeah, he was at Slide Us.

He said what episode of Slide Us?

Yeah, I'm looking at IMDb at this point, but yeah.

That's tremendous. He was, he was.

He was in one of the best episodes of Millennium.

Oh man, that's, oh, I've definitely seen that then.

That's brilliant. So good man.

Oh my God. Holy crap.

He was, he was in, he was an Operation Dumbo Drop.

He's he's been in everything. Dick Tracy, Air America.

Holy crap, he was in. He was in tour of duty.

What the fuck? This is a Oh my God, this is a

this is a great movie for that guys.

Absolutely fucking a nightmare on sheet 2.

Freddy's revenge. He's he's he's a guy who's been

in every film regard, hardest of genre.

It's brilliant. He he just works.

He just gets work. It's fantastic.

Christine's been in like a handful of films.

He's been in a few shorts. He was in Lethal Weapon as well

as as a mercenary, obviously the same year as No Way Out.

So I guess that's kind of, I guess that's his mil year.

Just like I'm a Paul Lanky, kind of sinister dude who's who's

going to do horrible things to people for money.

Amazing Wow. We give it up for those guys

like, well, you know, we need them on those wall.

We want them on those wall, Right.

Cool. Yeah.

So it's got had a question about whether this movie was going to

be pro or anti CIA or not, which I was going to come back to at

the end, but I think we've pretty much answered it there.

But the presence of these guys, despite the unprecedented access

into the Pentagon, and despite the fact that our Petragnus

turns out to be a bad guy, I don't think this movie presents

itself as a pro CIA movie. No, that's not.

That's not. Cool.

So then Tom is a bit shaken up. He hasn't been meeting with

Pritchard. He learns and if it commas that

Susan was Bryce's mistress, but obviously he already knew that

and he's this is when he first posited the he he's pretty, I

think in the back of his mind, he's pretty confident that Bryce

did it. So he wants the FBI to

investigate it like cleanly strictly by the book.

And then he wants the legal framework to to do its job.

Pritchard says that Bryce didn't do it and he wants to protect

him. And Tom calls his bluff and

says, well, he didn't do it. Let's let's let the FBI

investigate it and then he can take his chances.

Pritchard threatens him is not to sorry.

Pritchard threatens him that that's not going to happen and

that he's going to protect Bryce.

So we've kind of lined up who are are conflict of the movie

now Susan's dead. There's a manhunt going on.

It's a cover up. They're going to try and make

Thomas fall guy and Bryce is getting protected even though

Bryce did the murder. So that's kind of like we've set

up our our chess board now kind of thing for the rest of the

movie. Meanwhile, we get that explained

to us in detail by a a cup to Langley where the CIA are having

a chat about it. And that's when they bring up

for the first time that Pritchard is gay.

And this is probably one of the bits of the movie that ages

pretty pretty badly. So you're you're allowed to have

obviously heroes and villains or whatever character be gay, but

they kind of make his gayness a big part of why he's a bad guy

in this movie. Like he's driven crazy by his

jealousy because he's gay, which I don't think is aged well at

all. Yeah, yeah, great.

I will say though, well, I think I think there is when you think

about it, himself, Ice and Susan essentially love triangle

because Bryce is is leading him on in a way of manipulating him

in a way huge pivotal moment. It's obviously when Bryce goes

to his apartment and he's like, I think I've killed her.

Well, I have, I have killed her. I'd just be a chill before I go

to the police. And he's that's massive

emotional blackmail of this guy that he knows really, really is

is is besotted by them, you know?

Well, yeah, big time. And like, he goes to his place,

he's wearing his clothes, the bridge is there, and just he's

like dressing down as well. This is like the the sort of the

Smithers fantasy of Burns flying for the window kind of thing.

Oh God, what he just totally is. But but but yeah, like there is

that great kind of snappy line. Will, will, will, I'll be

damned. Oh well, so will he.

If you go by the Old Testament that it's like on.

And brought that up. It's pretty bad.

It's pretty bad. So now we've had that kind of

explained to us. We come back to the pen and that

gets really interesting. So we are now on the subject of

the Polaroid negative that was on the deck.

And this is like the first time I think I can remember of seeing

generative AI. Being talked about in a movie,

especially like 1 is from the late 80s.

It's not talking about it in the way that we think of AI now in

terms of talking about it more in the sense that you would a

really advanced version of like how in Photoshop you could erase

stuff like remove it and then you could take a feature of a

picture and it would paint in what the rest of the pixels

behind it would be doing, judging by the pixels near next

to it. So that's exactly what they're

talking about. So yeah, there's a brilliant bit

here. There's actually a really good

comedic bit here as well. So basically what happens is

they go to the the the situation room and he's and he gets and

that's when he tells him like, yeah, so we have this pillar

negative. It's really bad.

It's been, it's come back from the full lab and they they can't

do anything with it. And then he just goes, damn, too

much to hope for. Guess we'll just have to forget

it. Yeah.

Nice try, Tom. I get it man.

Just you know. Guess we'll never know.

Guess one. No anyway.

I guess we just, I guess we just have to solve this thing without

any evidence. But there's two, there's two

really cool things laid out in this scene.

So 1 is that that work in progress of the generative AI

photo that's gonna be running on a CRT monitor in the middle of

the lab all day. So they say that they're gonna,

we're gonna have to set this thing rendering and it's going

to be rendering all day long on this screen that everyone can

look at all day long. Gradually the face of the man

who spent the weekend with Susan is going to become apparent.

And that's basically our killer. That's what they all think.

So that's like a ticket time bomb.

So that's like you're, you're, you're, you're like sort of

countdown almost for the movie. So they say like it's going to

say like 12 hours could be a week, could be 12 hours, but

they're going to try and speed it along.

So that's that's a great source of attention.

And then secondly, the first hit on the phone numbers from the

phone number cheques to Susan's house come in and it's a man,

Susan's friend who rang it just before the murder.

So that sets of our next scene, which is Tom and Pritchard going

to visit her. So they go to her apartment and

and they they kind of start questioning A Pritchard kind of

takes leading role. Tom just kind of stands at the

back and then boom, clue number. I think we're at 8 now clues

that that that Tom is a double agent.

So it's there's a bit of ambiguity as to whether Aman,

her name is, I think her character name is Nina is, is

going to grass up Tom for being in her apartment.

And I guess it must be like months ago at this point because

he's been and done a deployment. He's come back, he's taking a

new job and stuff. But it's it's not clear whether

or not she's going to go. Well, yeah, I do know a guy

actually that that she was seeing.

He stood right behind you. So Tom kind of just does some

business in the back of the room.

He's kind of wandering around, and then he picks up a vase and

you just seem really carefully, like, take the flowers out of

the vase and put them down on the sideboard.

And he's like positioned as if he's about to smash Pritchett in

the back of the head as soon as it starts to go South.

But then she doesn't do it, so he puts it back down again.

That is obviously the clue that, like, there's something fishy

with Tom and like how? Because he's going like, from

nothing to like lethal force as soon as the idea that he knows

Susan is brought up. Yeah, yeah.

Because I mean, like, I mean, it's not, I mean it's not a

comedy. He's not going to like bop him

on the back of the head with, with a vast, he's going to be OK

10 minutes later. He's using a heavy object as a

force multiplier to start what's going to be a very brief, very

fucking terminal struggle, you know, like, and it's escalated

really quickly. And the only logical explanation

for that is because he believes there's a real manhunt going for

an agent. Yeah.

And he needs to maintain his cover.

And for him, maintaining his cover is more important than

establishing his innocence of murdering this guy because he's

just going to get disappeared back-to-back to Russia if he has

to. So anyway, that happens and we

go back to the computer room and Tom is starting to do his first

bit of obfuscation of the investigation by committing

using loads of computer resources to hunt for credit

card purchases that wouldn't have come through yet in the

1980s. So this is like a couple of days

in, you expect about a week or so for for credit card purchases

to have gone into through the system and and be held at the

banks that they go through because it takes ages for a

check to clear or credit cards to to clear back in those days.

So and he gets told that much by Sam and he's like, just do it

anyway. But he's like, oh, we have

computer resources we could be using elsewhere.

And again, it's implied that he means the the rendering image,

but it's not set out loud. But yeah, so I mean, if they

really want to sit on the AII, suppose what they could have

done is said please and thank you to it.

And that would have that would have caused it to.

Topical. For the higher draw on its

server, apparently topical zerk, the next thing we get is another

look at the the food pollutant thing, But this time you see a

biography depicting what the pollutants are and a cool little

heat map of of where they are. So that that was pretty cool and

and we've established another that actually is a bit more

plausible than I initially thought it was.

So that's cool. Yeah.

Yeah, and then Tom's in his office and a guy from CID comes

and drops of a jewellery box that had been found in the

apartment that they'd be hanging on to, that I guess Pritchard

didn't have a clue about at all. So we handed to Tom.

Tom's like I've seen this Drew box.

And then it does a flashback to show us him asking about the

jewellery box and how it was a gift from Bryce and how he'd

received it from someone else. And then Tom goes and sketches

his little sub Lieutenant and bitches them off to to to find

out where it came from. Just above.

You win a 5 minutes late for the podcast.

Delegation in the streets and bitching off at the sheets.

Bitching off Establish. Right.

And then the next scene is Rebecca Bryce's office now and a

guy who we haven't even mentioned yet, a guy called

Senator Duvall, who was the guy who's really keen to get the

phantom sub through is kicking off.

But he's kicking off not about the phantom sub.

He's kicking off about how the, this, this mad investigation is

taking place that none of the other intelligences are involved

in because he's this guy, he's like in deep cahoots with the

CIA. So he's he's kicking off about

that. Pritchard then goes, oh, hey, by

the way, while you're here kicking off all this, we're not,

we're not fully decided on the fountain sub thing.

So, you know, we can have a talk about that and maybe there's

some ground we can give. And that comes down when he

fucks off. Price doesn't like this, doesn't

like, doesn't like being out diplomatic by this guy.

He hates this Duvall guy. So he repairs Pritchard's favour

by lobbing a folder on the head and it's an amazing, it's

amazing shot of, of of of Will Patton just taking this folder

bang on the Dome and like better reacting.

It's amazing, very good, very good value.

And then the reason the scene exists is because he relates to

Bryce that in the interrogation of Iman Nina earlier on, Nina

mentioned Bryce. So she's the only person

connected with the murder so far that isn't Bryce.

So Pritchard sends his two goonsword guys on together.

And as soon as Tom realises this, he runs down.

Comedy is a car and he gets to chase them down.

He wants to get to Nina 1st and we have our first chase

sequence. So oversee Roy to describe the

chase sequence. Oh my God.

So first of all, out of both of the films major chase sequences,

I mean like the odd perfect but the cinema, but the great pieces

of action filmmaking. I think the characters of those

involved are shown through the sequences.

The decisions made by three parties from chases and then

Contra One and Contra 2 and the nameless goons.

So the car chase sequence where he's pursuing them by car, which

then then sees like the hunter free imbalance reversed and

finds himself running from them, which was part of his plan to

distract them. First of all, it's got what I

would argue, what I argue is some great action driving.

Costner is believable, I think. And Rick and this big American

gas goes around the park and garage and when it gets down on

the roads of DC, this overpass that our American listeners

forget and he might be disappointed and we've not been

able to name. And that's what I think a

decision that's in line with this character, in line with the

situation that is in. And it shows again, graspless

firecraft and stuff. Now we know that he's already

prepared to do acts of real violence.

We've just discussed the scene in Nina's apartment when he was

was ready to fucking kill, you know, Richard, he was ready to

absolutely kill him. But now he's out in public, he's

he's got to try and remain 10 low key.

So he sets up what to me it's like an excellent, it's like

lower visibility car crash, if you will.

It's aggressive combat of driving, but which crucially

could be taken by passersby as just someone being a bad driver,

just a loss of control. He he chases behind these guys.

He pulls up against him. He's like, oh, hi, you kind of

think that he overtakes him. He just kind of puts his car a

bit of a scared and the T bow in him at very not very low speed,

but low speed enough for no one to get killed.

So it's just it just looks like a loss of control and there's

there's no pit manoeuvre. There's no pulling alongside

them and pushing them through the concrete siding of the

overpass. I mean, with the with the size

of that vehicle, he probably could have he doesn't not deploy

his sidearm. He stops the vehicle, he takes

away the mobility and then he gets time to chase him.

And I think it's done in such a way that he's he's aware of the

situation in which he's operating, right?

Like he knows that you're not going to start a gunfight just

in the middle of DC on this fly over.

He knows that he's he's not going to kill these guys because

that's going to get loads of heat on them.

So he does this excellent bit of like I'm going to cause a little

accident and essentially get a mobility killing these guys and

distract them and it's great. We'll see the sober splint chase

when he he runs off across traffic is people go your

asshole giving him grief and stuff like that.

And then we'll see again is the spycraft and it's physicality

don't fully gel because he gets in the tree and he can't make

that a lot of branch, right? He can't make one of the branch.

He knows he he's, he's he's got the plan.

He's got the plan, but he can't quite make it physicality wise.

But he's still moving. He's still booing along.

You know, he runs out, he gets he gets hit by a car.

Apparently his agent, I think was really pissed off about that

because like, Oh my God, you let my actor get hit by a car and

stuff because he does his own stunts.

And I don't think it's the agent like them doing his own stunts.

So then by this point, he's already starting to run out of

steam. He's already starting to gas a

little bit. And he's, he's, he's being

pursued by these inexorable fucking goons who, who do not

appear to show any kind of, you know, slowing down any kind of

weakness. I will say that Conrad #2 Chris

D does run a bit weird. You guys both run.

I don't I'm I'm a little fat goblin, but you guys run.

That's a weird run. He's got right with his with his

arms down there with his hands were a bit open.

Yeah, it's a strange gate, definitely.

It's a very strange gate, but he's rapid.

I mean, they're both rapid and they don't appear to show as

much kind of exhaustion as we bought Thomas.

And of course he's down in the metro station.

He he does what you know, he he listens to the intrusive

thoughts that I get at Haymarket metro station every time and he

slides down the middle between the two escalators.

What I love about this as well. So he he gets himself on the

train as the goons go down first day goon 2 again, just fucking

fully pushes someone off the escalator.

I love that. It's amazing.

Isn't it One handed, single single handed, just pushes him

and he goes. I think that's actually amazing.

It's like like it's. The most seen, if I actually

think about it, it's like, yeah, I could be running away from 2

goons and be totally out of breath the entire time and then

fall off 3. I could do that.

It's low. Key it's believable and of

course then they get to the point when the rat the train

he's he's inside the train at this point they're aware and

we're going back like visibility and stuff and just kind of what

you can do and what you get away with in certain situations.

They've missed chances where they could have got them in an

alley, but now for the Lord witnesses.

And at this point if quantum brought us a weapon and shoots

through the window, which they can do.

Oh my God that guy just shot a fucking Navy officer on cool

blood in the middle of the metro station.

Bloody hell, man. Yeah.

And it's some of these guys could probably get away with

down the line that could probably get covered for it.

But it's a choice that they decide not to make because, you

know, the foiled for now. But they are part of America's

inexorable killing machine. And if they want to get you,

will get you and. Another good thing I like about

this is that you see how puffed out Kevin Costner is Tom because

the temptation in a lot of these movies because this is like a

classic scene. The guy jumps onto the the train

just is pulling away and the other guys are stuck behind it.

Yeah, happened in Spender. It happens.

It happens. Everything mentioned mentioned.

Well, that's the data stop. Like topical joke, but.

Yeah, so you got that. But the temptation is it's for

like some kind of like, back and forth to happen, some kind of

communication. And all he can manage is like,

he just, he's obviously hanging out.

All he imagines is like he punches the side of the fist

onto the window in a sort of physical act of like, fuck you.

But he doesn't even, like, he doesn't even like flipping the

bird or anything. He's just like, Oh yeah, fucks.

Yeah, I like that. Like, like, it's brilliant.

It's an excellent chase scene. It's an all time bar.

It's very, very good. Yeah, so there's and then the

next bit we get is so out of the subway train.

He then rocks up at the the mall and there's another little but a

chase scene, isn't it? That's right, yeah.

And again, it was sort of a good mould chase scene I think as

well with, with with like, it seems a bit of like storytelling

that is very peculiar to film set in America.

Wonder what like is, is the like a national alternative to your

mould chase scene? I think maybe it's railway

station scenes for, for like European and stuff, you know

what I mean? It's like, yeah, there is, there

is, there is pretty excellent ball chase scene.

That's class as well, I must say.

Yeah. Or it's like the marketplace or

something, isn't it? Yes, yes, if it's anything like

kind of like kind of like Eastern European or Middle

Eastern kind of thing that that roof area from like Eastern

Europe through the corners of the Balkans down like the MENA

kind of area and it's always running through a bargain and

and like you're like knocking, knocking fucking pubs of.

Doesn't doesn't like. Every James Bond.

Yeah, no, Sonia, Sonia is absolutely right there, Like

every James Bond ever. Yeah.

Like, and if you go to the Middle East, it's it's a SOOK

and yeah. Some someone totally needs to

put cards and Poland stand or something.

I can't remember much of it. So what my key take away from

that scene is, So he gets, he runs up, he gets to the shop

that that Nina Iman works at and I can't remember what it is.

It's like a fashion boutique or, or jewellery store or something.

And then he pulls her out there and he's like, he tells her,

like, you are in grave danger. These guys are coming, they're

going to kill you, you need to disappear.

And then they got those guys catch up pretty quickly.

And then he fights them to to slow them down while she

escapes. And then there's amazing bit

where he Ruby tacks one of the guys, slips him up and he

charges into the second guy, pushes him into like a big

flower stall type of thing. And then the other guy gets up,

pulls a weapon in the middle of the mall and puts it to his back

and goes, I think we should get back to the Pentagon, Sir.

Just fucking wild. Yeah, is it?

If anyone else heard that, they'd be like.

Yeah. Exceeded your lunchtime by 15

minutes. I'm going to put a gun on you.

So fucking. Yeah, yeah.

It's like fuck it out, man. It's like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

I fucked in fight, but it's late, dude, you know?

Come on man. So yeah.

So they so he gets so they're taking back to the fence again.

Pritchard is is pretty unhappy with him and he's like, don't do

anything that kind of shit again, that kind of stuff.

And it's clean. Now they're on, they've marked

the lines. Now they're on separate sides of

how they're handling this, this thing.

And Tom, this is quite cool. So Tom kicks off him and goes, I

don't believe there is a Yuri is there, or that he has anything

to do with that murdered girl. And like, if you watch it for

the first time, you're like, Oh yeah, OK, he gets it.

He understands it's a cover up and he's figuring it out.

Cool. And then you're watching a for

the second time, you're like, Oh, this guy's doing a misdirect

because he thinks he is the Yuri and he's just trying to clear

his own yard arm. And and then he so he leaves the

office, goes into another woman's office who's working and

she's like, he just says, I need to use the phone.

So and just things her out of her office and she's like, oh,

I'll be careful what you say because big brother's listening.

And then and then he rings up his subby that he bitched off

earlier on about the jewellery box and he tells them that it's

Arabic, but it's a Moroccan dialect of Arabic.

To which Tom responds, good boy. Just just just just a reminder

that being a sub Lieutenant is a hard life.

I think, I mean allegedly, I report everything, but if I

think if my, my last commanding officer topped off his

conversations with calling me a good boy, I probably would have

just, I don't know. He yanked his face off.

Now that that's all happened, we are now entering the, the very

long portion of the movie. Now it says it feels long, it's

only the last half an hour or so, but it's uh, this is the

process of Tom trying to get a print out from the Department of

Protocols, which states that the jewellery box was gifted to

Bryce from a Moroccan diplomat and therefore places Bryce as

knowing Susan and therefore it'll be enough for Bryce to

kill the investigation because he doesn't want his name coming

out in the investigation. So what's going to happen now

for the rest of the movie is we're going to get scenes where

Tom is visiting a big dot matrix printer over and over again.

But before we do that, we go over to the generative AI screen

again. And just a fun detail.

I don't know if you guys noticed it, but there's a handful of

screens. One is the picture, which is

incredibly blurry and kind of orange.

It doesn't look like anything. Yeah.

There's another monitor next to it.

And it's just a, it's just like a, a wireframe of a human head

just spinning around on his X axis just like over and over

again. And they're like, what's that

for? Is that is that, is that meant

to signify that the computer is thinking about heads?

The human head must examine the human head, maybe.

Joke in there somewhere. The movie is terrible only most

of the time. Beyond the realms so that so Tom

goes to see Sam again at the techno wizard and he does a

really irritating drip feed of information to Sam.

So you could have just told Sam everything straight off, but he

doesn't do that. So he says to Sam, look, I'm the

guy in the picture, but I did not have sexual relations with

that woman. Sorry, I did not kill that

woman. So I need you to I need you.

You had a lot of sexual relations with that woman.

I need you to slow that picture down, which is wow.

Because like what you could have asked for is that picture

developing in the in the situation room is really

distracting. Can you just turn the monitor

off, You know, Anyway, then we take our first proper visit to

the printer. So what he's doing now is he's

waiting for the stock makers printer to to print off the list

of all the items that have been gifted members of the US

government from various diplomats and stuff.

Obviously they need to be recorded.

Some of them are a bit spicy. They all have monetary value and

it's brilliant. So we got a we got a rundown the

list and it's fantastic. I'm going to give you a rundown

of the list that we see right name first one, Edward V

Amarillo is gifted a Sony Walkman by the ambassador from

Pakistan. Orgp Bookburn is gifted a Cat's

Eye ring stroke platinum band from the British ambassador.

Fred K Blitzman is gifted patent leather shoes by the German

council to the UN. Fred Bloomgaard is gifted a gold

brooch and a diamond inlay by the Dutch ambassador.

And then some of these are partials.

John Paris is gifted A Rolex by somebody.

Glenn B Borden, A is gifted A bulletproof vest by somebody.

That sounds like more of a threat than a gift though, it,

doesn't it? That's like, hey buddy, just

thinking about you, man. Here from the American you are

going to need. To thank you for visiting my

country to watch Be Awful of something What happened to you?

It still smells faintly blood. It's like a battlefield to pick

up. So we we, we get some more

awesome things about lists, but that's the first hit of the

list. Don't worry, we're going to come

back to this printer again and again and again.

Let's say it for a second though, somebody is just seem

vaguely nonsensical as gifts. I mean, the, the, the German

dignitary given someone some other shoes doesn't sound in the

slightest bit Germanic. Sonia, can we have a can we have

a confirmation to giving the gift?

Yes, please. We're going live for Germany for

a query about shoes. I can do the accent if you like.

Shoes is is a weird one, I think.

Yeah, so, So what, what I've mostly had to do, I mean, in

fairness, this this is in a rather standardised naval

environment. But what we tend to do is like

with plaques and pictures and documents and and whatnot.

But I, I think shoes would have been very odd and personal thing

to do. Yeah.

It's not like, I mean, I could, I could get like, I don't know,

maybe the polo or, or something that, you know, something that's

got a print on that's related to a certain event having taken

place or something. But shoes is just.

But we've got to know the size. What's the protocol?

Yeah, asking this American politician about the shoe sizes

a week ahead of time. But hey, just random question

man, what size are those grip as?

I just really want to know that this is this is an issue for for

this is the issue of diplomatic importance.

What size of your feet? It's bizarre.

I'm also not a fan of the gift from the British dignitary as

well, because it's just like, yes, I will give you this

ancient ring. Hand it down to be from the

lilies of Merlin himself. It will give you a + 10% damage

bonus when you fight with goblins where it turns green and

when there are Russian spies in the area.

But who warned it is haunted by the ghosts of Borgana Le Fey?

That's just weird. It would have been a bottle of

fucking Scotch way, man. Yeah, it's not.

It's not. Oh look, I'm giving this fucking

random DND random fucking treasure table who are rolled at

27. There's your fucking ring, me, a

cat's eye, whatever in it. Going going right back to the

start as well, every Amarillo getting gifted A Sunni Walkman

by the ambassador from Pakistan. It's a bit like you're you're

American. Here's something that's

Japanese, but you know, here's here's here's you can pick up

pretty much anywhere. Yeah, basically because the guy

from Pakistan bought it. Max.

It's Max to me of sorry. Go ahead.

So basically the guy from Pakistan boarded the airport

because he realised he'd like, like, he'd probably left some

like incredibly beautiful piece of like artisanal craft in his

office. He's like, fuck man.

Oh, Americans like Walkmans I guess.

Cool. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Oh my God. It smacks to me a little bit.

Like, do you remember when Barack Obama went to Poland and

they gifted him a copy of The Witcher 2?

That's incredible. That makes sense for them

because they they obviously made it and it was a great big thing

for them. But yeah, could you imagine

being Barack Obama and being like, right.

So normally when it comes to these things, someone gives me

like, a bottle of Scotch or like a tapestry or painting or

something for the White House, you give me a copy of The

Witcher 2. Didn't even give them, you know,

an Xbox to play it on. Maybe they just assumed the hard

one. I mean, like, come on, he's the

president, got whatever he wants.

Well, exactly, but that was present.

So now we, we got the next bit of news for Tom's incredibly bad

day. So, so like what you're saying

about the, the chase sequences, I think, I think Tom in this

entire movie is just a guy who's constantly living on the edge of

his wits doing immediate like reactive decision making to get

through the day. And never more does it happen

than than here when we start bringing the witnesses into the

Pentagon to try and find him. So they're convinced that the

Yuri guys in the Pentagon and they've they've tracked down

that the the guy who rented the boat and the bellhop from the

hotel have seen the guy and have given a statement as to his

appearance. They've said he looks

exceedingly average, meaning that all bets are off.

It could be anybody. So they figure out the best way.

The best way to find this guy they're looking for is to get

these witnesses and March them around one of the biggest

buildings in the world and go room by room, looking at all

sorts of sensitive spaces that are probably way above any of

their security classifications. Yeah, there's been no like,

vetting already. But yeah, exactly in order to

find evidently there's not been very much vetting because we've

got a, we've got a, we've got a Soviet spy on the loose.

But the whole thing is work. But my favourite thing about

this sequence that we need to pay attention to is that it

keeps it nice and simple for us. Simple done movie viewer.

Because both of these guys were wearing the same outfits they

were wearing presumably months ago when they saw him in the

first time. So the guy, the guy who the guy

who had the boat, that is, is fine.

He's just wearing denim. He could considerably be wearing

that every single day of his working life.

We'd never know any different. But the freaking bellhop from

the hotel is now walking around the Pentagon dressed like he's

in a production of Hamilton. And it's like, dude, if I were

that guy, like I wouldn't wear that uniform.

Like on the walk between leaving the door of the hotel and

getting to my car. I would have taken the neck

thing off at least. It's amazing.

That's incredible. He loves you.

You wouldn't have caught me, not outside.

It looks like he's about like just whip out the rapier and

just like duel. You read the death.

But one thing that's important to think of here is it's a horny

film, right? I mean this, this, this this

film's God, it's dander up. It's it's not just, you know,

like it doesn't need to just be horny for women.

Now, my theory is that Prichard when he was said ringing up

about us. So this is bellboy.

Oh, bellboy, you say. What kind of uniform does he?

Well, you say his trousers are how tight?

Wow, this is a matter of national importance.

Let's. Get him here, Certainly.

I mean, they're certainly snug, you know, And I think it's been

a case that Pritchard was like, it's very important to national

security that he doesn't get changed out of his uniform.

I need this guy. Absolutely.

Wandering, wandering the the the halls of power.

Those fucking wiggly tight trousers.

Because God damn it, Bryce doesn't give me anything I need.

I need to see those preachers. Do his shoes have those little

buckles on the front? Oh, tell me they do.

Yeah. So I think, I think like Richard

definitely wanted to see him do a little turn in his in his

little gear. That's great.

You're absolutely right, they do.

They fucking do. Unbelievable he's missing the

goddamn. Tricon Hat There's a man who's

not throwing away his shop. He looks like he's on his way to

steal motor latest work to sell it off as his own.

He's got other deist it. Will be really funny if like was

the scene when he's going through the the metal attack as

Pentagon and it just takes like a brace of flip locks out of his

breeches and just puts them on the table and then like puts a

few bags of like gunpowder and like musket balls and stuff.

Probably during that that scene from Pirates of the Caribbean.

I mean that that Keira Knightley does, where she keeps taking

pistols out of her clothes somehow.

Oh. It's an absolute swashbuckle.

I love it. Fucking tears in my eyes at this

swashbuckling bellhop. Oh God bless her, but all these?

Amazing. We we do see it again a little

bit later, but in between Tom goes down through the nasal

hallway and looks to a wedge of payphones.

And then we get clue number. I think we're 9 now.

Clue #9. But he's a dodgy, dodgy spy

because he makes a phone call on the payphone.

We only hear his side and he's talking about trying to arrange

a meet up with what sounds like his handler.

Yeah. And he's explaining, explaining

the precarious, the precariousness of his situation.

Then we get more printer time. He's looking at the printer.

The information he wants has not yet come up.

The printer. We get a little bit more fruity

bellhop time and then we get another cut back to the printer

and then we cut to a bunch of reports out to the Pentagon.

Yeah, because they've got a problem now that they need to do

a shift change of, of, of personnel.

And it's not staggered. It's just one big wedge comes

leaves shift at 5:00 and another, another wedge come on

at the same time. And they're trying to figure out

how they can get these people in and out of the Pentagon because

you really might get out. So they they do a drip feed of

people through the exit with the witnesses that they don't spot

him. So they're thinking, well, he

must have got away. I really like all the witnesses

just straight up putting their hands on people, by the way,

like they're standing there like the the the big boat hire guy

puts his hand to sort of do it, pulls in water and manage have

no, he's fine. He's fine.

It's like these, these these guys who have 0 fucking security

clearance. They have zero reason.

All right, They there, they're just putting the hands and

people, people let them get away with that.

It's brilliant. It's it's crazy.

I love it. I mean, obviously Gopalo gets

away with it because he's from the like, you know, like 17th

century, you know, I mean, I mean he's he's got the right of

pre monoptium from people and say, Oh, that what not the plug

out. Unfortunately, by sight hasn't

next man. You are also not the plug in

speak no more. You will find this man from the

Dutchie of Muscovy if it kills us.

Do you think they picked him up by do you think he got on the

tooth Pentagon strong carriage? God, that's fantastic.

Yes, like the ring him and they're like, you've got to come

to the party. Give me a SEC.

I'll come in my own way. And he just said that's on a

fucking stallion. He just like digs those spurs

in. He's raking that horse down the

Beltway, man It's crazy. It's like the horse scene from

through lies, except except just a lot more effete, delicate.

Also the power of raging 19th century swordsman.

We're creating some fucking head counting show for this guy you

can't see. It's just like something leak to

fill a bit this film, but it's meant.

It made the hotel look distinctly untrustworthy when he

first showed up. But but him just showing up to

the Pentagon. The hotel looks like just like

AB and B, like a standard B&B. He's got no reason to be wearing

that outfit. Absolutely.

I'm not even convinced that maybe, maybe he doesn't.

Maybe it's not the fact that he's wearing.

It's the Pentagon maybe indicates that it's not a

uniform and he he actually they are his clues.

Yeah, it's like. Friend of the podcast.

Friend of the podcast, he just makes us think of, you know, I

don't know if it's a trend now, but at one point there was a

time for people to tweet like photo of usually an actress

like, like Gillian Anderson. She was she was insane for this

one. And she was just standing there

and and it's like, yeah, yeah, this guy's like that.

She was insane for this one. But he's literally just like

standing there dressed like he's just fucking successfully fled

from the headless fucking horseman Jesus.

He's like, oh, good day to go to the witch trials, such as

popping down to steal up to see some people get persecuted.

Like wonder which Good Wife has danced with the devil in his

woods this week. We've got into the weeds for

this, this one. A lot of this is probably end up

getting cooked. It's just a massive fucking.

Right. Should I, should I move on to

the next bit, please? OK, right.

So, so our two witnesses unfortunately don't spot Yuri as

as the shift change is happening at the Pentagon.

But undeterred, the major reinstated search says he's

still going to be in here somewhere.

We're going to go everywhere. We're going to start in the

Situation Room where Tom is once again his favourite spot, the

printer during this time, Tom then leaves the printer and goes

and tells Sam what's really up. So he's already told him that he

didn't kill Susan. Now he says Bryce did kill

Susan. And Tom is he's so sick of

waiting for the document, which he's been spooling for hours at

this point, says can we just interface with the Department of

Protocols computer and essentially start a new print

job on the specific file he wants.

And then they kind of do something a bit like that.

So the print job is still running.

They go into the computer, enter all the detail of the item that

they want and and then I guess they try and prioritise it to

print. But then Sam says the reason it

hasn't come up the printer yet is because the printer's finding

the appropriate place to put it in the print file.

It makes no sense, but I guess fine, whatever.

But what it does give us is more printer time.

And this time we just get the gift and it's a belly dancer.

Harine girl declined C department regulation.

And then a number and the next one is 12 boxes Cuban cigars.

And then we get for a split second, red kimono filigree.

And then Tom is back at the printer like he's a like he's

got CEOs monthly books tomorrow. These three gifts seem a lot

more fun than like the the Walkman and the shoes and stuff.

And it almost upsets me a bit like not not know which which

country provided the the harem girl.

I think it'd be funniest if it was like 1 you didn't expect

like it was like Luxembourg or something like like, yeah,

Luxembourg just turns up with with this harem girl and like

it's like, oh, sorry, it's a re gift.

You know, someone from Saudi gave me this girl and it's a re

gift you take out like can't take her.

So now she's just, oh, stateless I guess she's abandoned.

This reminds me of a Navy debt weirdly, of a the goat that got

gifted to an orange ship out in theatre like in the Persian

Gulf. They have to take it because

it's obviously incredibly rude to deny the gift.

Then they have to figure out what to do with this fucking

goat once they got on board. And I think they ended up taking

it to like some kind of goat sanctuary somewhere else.

But the, the whole thing of like gifting stuff that you don't

want and then having to deal with it afterwards is like a

huge thing. Like in the Middle East, there's

a there's a there's a camel sanctuary in in Bahrain purely

because the Saudi government gifted a major camels to Bahrain

and they didn't know what the fuck to do with them.

Sort of like sanctuary, I guess, yeah.

Yeah, I guess we'll just keep them.

I guess we'll just keep them alive and we'll and we'll let,

we'll let people ride them, I guess.

Yeah. Thanks man.

Cool. Awesome.

You can imagine that you can hear like these are the ones you

like, aren't they? This is the one you wanted.

Yes. Yes.

These are the camels, man. Yeah.

Thank you. 2 humps. Bed and hump. 1 hump.

Thank you so much. Cheers.

Meanwhile, like the ambassador from Bahrain, it's not like a

lot of Rolexes that he's going to give the guys from Saudi and

he's like, sorry. So then the search party arrives

and Tom once again, like thinking on his feet, spills a

little coffee in himself so that he can angrily storm off to his

office and get changed to where he has his second outfit change

get back into more a trop threes in the same day because he's got

he got changed after the foot chase.

I was getting changed after the coffee incident.

Yeah, but he goes in there, hides in the ceiling and the and

the tiles, and a bunch of guys come in and look for him.

And there's that classic thing you see in movies all the time

where you see the guy looking out of a really obvious opening

in the ceiling, but nobody spots him.

Yeah, that seemed a bit unbelievable.

Ridiculous. The next thing that happens is

Sam then calls Pritchard and grasses on Tom, which is a bit

bad. Obviously snitches get stitches

and Sam gets some pretty epic stitches.

So he gets, if I had to, a little secret meeting in the in

a some sort of underground gymnasium in the Pentagon.

Umm, which seems a bit unnecessary, but apparently

there is one. And then he explains what he

knows about Tom to Pritchard and Pritchard shoots them for it.

I think what And obviously like it seemed like a bit of a crazy

thing to do, but I guess this is to demonstrate the point that

Pritchard's got a gun, right? And also speaks to how much

Pritchard's losing as grip the situation.

He's becoming increasingly unhinged as the film goes on.

He starts out being this very he kind of I mean he's he's

dispassionate what he needs to be when he's when he's doing

crime scene clean up the crime scene cleaned up and Susan's

house, he's incredibly dispassionate and he's

incredibly detached from it. This may well be the first time

he's cleaned up a dead one's house while Amber had body is

still there, but he's very dispassionate about what.

However, by this point in the film, he's he's dripping with

fucking flop sweat and he is just beyond the edge at this

point and. Yeah, you've got to imagine he's

a civil servant essentially, like, like what he's doing now

is is is sort of seeping into, like, organised crime and

racketeering almost. Yeah.

Listen, listen. Like his, this isn't his milieu.

This is, like, way out of his bounds.

He is the kind of guy who writes like a zesty memo and is like,

whoa, oh, my God, man, that felt that felt good.

I can't believe I said that. Yeah, I did it.

And it was just like, didn't, didn't say.

Hope you're well at the start of the e-mail, you know.

What I mean, yeah. Or like finishing an e-mail, but

happy to discuss in person. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

How I move. That's the kind of thing that he

does. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Happy to discuss. Yeah, absolutely.

I bet he's happy to discuss. A few people, yeah, but but it's

like, yeah, everything's broken down within him now.

He can no longer kind of compartmentalise what's going

on. He can no longer kind of tell

himself everything's going to be OK, you know, He's lost on the

source. He's lost on them.

He's lost the source, he's too online, he's lost the context.

And now you've got, like, tom-tom and Richard and I like

both at the same kind of point. They're both going a bit crazy.

Yeah, like it's stick crazy. They're both kind of trapped in

the Pentagon at this point, so it's weird.

Then we go to we got another cut to the printer, Jesus Christ.

And we get some more gifts. So it's partially obscures, but

I think it's Melanie Rathsborne is is gifted a tweed coat and

some slacks, which is the odds. And then finally we get David

Bryce jewellery box and he grabs the so he grabs that print out.

This is it, This is a smoking gun and he's intending now to

take it to Bryce and show Bryce the print out.

Fucking got you. Just as that happens, the El

Salvador des Squad Spooks arrive and then we have Foot chase #2

inside the Pentagon. Rory, our foot chase

correspondent, what have you got to say?

So basically with this with this scene, again, it's in a similar

VN to the car chase scene and what follows it, you do see a

little bit more of the the the personalities and wants of the

freight of the goons again, and it's basically what they're when

they get them into the stairwell.

And now now we've got them. You see, you see, you see,

obviously this is like this is kind of you've got this like

kind of like nice, quite sloppy ish scene on on the on the

status when one of the goons falls over, but he's running.

And then obviously you guess you got Tom Farrell takes out good

number one with, you know, the the the fire extinguisher out of

the face, which I mean, but definitely kill him, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's definitely killed

him. I mean, I mean, you don't see

the guy again. So he's dead.

He's been connected to God's Wi-Fi.

He's done. But then the most telling thing

that really, really, really just underlines the quality of people

that these Contras are is that Contrat 2 gets his hands on Tom

Farrell. And at this point he doesn't

pull out a pistol to kill him. He doesn't pull out anything

that's a purpose built weapon. He's straight in there with a

click clack, the fucking straight razors coming out.

He pulls out a fucking cut throat razor and immediately

begins to just evil him with it. And it's like, I love that this,

this just shows the degeneracy of these guys.

You know, it's like it acted as the writers room and the saying

what kind of weapons this guy got.

Someone says, oh, maybe he pulls on some brass knuckles and

someone's like, no, this guy's a real sickle.

He's a freak. And yeah, it works so well

because he is a sickle. He is a freak.

I mean, you say him fucking bodily push a man off a

escalator. He's the driving force.

He's the intimidating one who's fucking staring come with the

eyes at the metro scene. He's like kick in the film of

just like sickle sadism as when just no hesitation.

He's in the middle of one of the world's biggest buildings, in

the middle of the beaten heart and thinking brain of America's

defence apparatus. And he's kind of fucking killing

man and with a cut throat razor because he doesn't give a shit

because he spent the last couple of years, like I said in the

global S, killing communists. You know, it's like you're a

telecommunist for fun, you know, but for X amount of dollars

we'll cut them up real nice. Yeah man, I mean you got to

think this guy has been trained people how to decapitate people

in like fucking this massacre. So like, he's his moral centre.

Is way up and he's like, yeah, I'm I'm just going to whip out

this friggin yeah have to who's who's carrying a cut throat

razor. It's not an efficient weapon to

kill someone quickly, you know. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah. It's it's it's for torture or

it's for killing someone real real slow.

Like real, real fucking slow. I mean, obviously it's not

something that you can use to like quickly and efficiently

strike an organ that's got a lot of vital blood vessels in it.

I mean, I guess you could make the argument you can use it a

kind of cut someones through and you know, 'cause like

catastrophically bleed out that way.

But also it's like, I mean, it's, it's, it's a very sadistic

thing I have and I think it's just brilliant.

It's a brilliant choice for the film.

It just really underlines the fact that this guy's the real

sickle, you know? And I like that.

Yeah, totally agree. So, so the chase comes to a

pretty abrupt stop. They they get to the door of the

I guess it's the I guess it's the outer office of the defence

Secretary where the security there Tom like punches the guy

in the chest wins him and he falls down and he orders the

guards to arrest him, which they do he.

Kicks them. Which went remarkably smoothly

for him because like if he's the one getting chased, you think

they would arrest him and then he's just like I rank you arrest

him and said this guy in plain clothes and that doesn't works

and then he barges way. Hit some of the.

Balls as well. You can't see.

You can't see the confusion on our sergeant's face.

Fucking officers gay what they're like.

Yeah, all this 50 minutes before Andover sake.

The fucking paperwork has been a gentle.

Some of somebody got the evidence kit.

Where's the evidence kit? Oh God, I can't remember the

safe combo for the evidence kit. Oh man, ridiculous.

Tom barges through the other offices like you can't go in

there, I'll go in there. He barges in.

She follows him in like what what what she going to do?

But he whips up the print out and he and he says to pricing.

I know he connected with Susan. Look at this, the jewellery box

with this jewellery box. He's like, I don't know

jewellery box. Well, the Department of

protocols have got it here. As I added, declared to the

Department of protocols, which means what we actually saw

earlier on was him inputting the data into the database and then

asking you to get printed. And then he demands of the

search to be called off. And then the major comes in who

earlier on in the movie, by the way, the major refers to to Tom

as Sir and takes an order from him.

They are both the same rank. A major isn't away free elephant

come out isn't away free. So he shouldn't have been

calling him Sir anyway, that aside, he comes in and tells him

that Sam has been murdered and then Pritchard comes in and then

he thins out the major in a really obviously shady way.

He's like, that's great, that's great.

Well, you just keep up the search.

You just get back to your search.

Thanks for that. You've done a real good job.

You've done a real backup job off you fuck.

And then and then he says, look, Tom is the man that saw you at

miss out Wells. He was at miss out wells.

Therefore Tom must have killed at miss out well.

And therefore we know that miss out Wells Yuri.

Therefore Tom is Yuri quad errat demonstrandum.

And then in response to that, Tom banged him out.

Reasonable thing to do then then pitch pills, get out and then

declares you have no idea what men of power can do, which which

I think is opposite in the current political climate.

And then and then actually they have a bit of a tussle.

And then Bryce steps in and this is the only time in the movie he

shows any kind of contrition for his just general demeanour.

And he says that he admits that his actions were inexcusable.

But then it becomes really clear during this that he's going to

sell Pritch it out and knocked on because he knows that

Pritchard's killed Sam. There'll be evidence that leads

back to Sam, probably. So he thought, well, I'll just,

I'll just, you know, two birds, one stone.

I'll just have him be Yuri as well.

But then he starts to poll Jiggly saying like, I'll get you

the very best lawyers. It'll be done all properly, you

know, I'll get you the best lawyers.

And then Bryce is selling it to Tom at the same time.

He's like he was facing jealous of Susan.

A man like that, you understand, Obviously.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then another thing that doesn't age well during this

this is that it becomes a bit of a clamouring kind of sort of

tussle going on. And at one point, Pritchard very

tenderly tries to put both his hands on Bryce's cheeks and

please David. And then Bryce is batting away.

He's like, get your hands off me.

And it's all, it's all a very homophobic.

And then David reaches for his gun while while Tom and sorry,

David, a Pritchard sorry, reaches for a gun while Tom and

Tom and Bryce are having his big argument.

And then he's like David and everyone tends to look at him.

And then he just domes himself, which which is which is

obviously like a call back to how he would lay down his life

to save Bryce's life earlier on. But it's fucking nuts.

And then just at that moment, Cid, who probably standing

outside the door this entire time, burst in.

And then they see Pritchard dead.

And then they immediately pin it on him.

He's Yuri. That's it, I'm done.

And then another little great bit is so Tom's like, why the

fucking had enough of this, even though clearly what's meant to

happen now is like hours of debriefing.

He just storms out. He gets the print out and for

the final time, he bitches off his little study and tells him

to deliver it to Marshall at the CIA.

And then he storms off. We finally got a bit of

conclusion on the generator of the eye and we see the complete

photo. And yeah, it is Tom, but it

actually doesn't match from when we saw the photo we got taken in

the scene where the photo was taken.

So in the picture here is where his hands up by the sides of his

face. If you listen for the shutter in

the scene earlier, he's like looking off to the left.

So it doesn't make any sense. And then finally we see Tom and

he's gone off to sit and seclude a little patch of wood on his

own. And then two big burly men who

we assume are U.S. intelligence operatives of some kind come and

fetch him. And then we go back to the scene

that we had at the beginning in this house and he's being

interrogated. And then we get back to the part

where he's pretty much picks up from where he left off.

He's up against the two way mirror and he's like, right,

when's this guy going to come out then?

And then he does and it's ethnically ambiguous landlord.

And then he starts speaking Russia.

And then so does Tom start speaking Russian.

And then they talk about Dostile and Tolstoy and he talks about

Saucin it's and and then and he wants him to come back to Russia

and you must miss Russia. And he's like, actually shit,

man, I don't miss Russia. Russia's shit.

I really like hamburgers. I have a corn fed Iowa boy.

I'm staying here in the US even though my name is Evgeny.

And then he goes to store at the house and the two big burly guys

are like go to pull a gun on him and kill him.

But ethnically ambiguous landlord goes, oh, let him go.

Besides, Ellis has he to go And then he drives his little drives

his car away and that's the fucking end of the movie.

Like the end. He just drove away.

He was a Russian all along. Which I mean, isn't a surprise

to listen to this podcast because we've been talking about

it for like 4 hours. But but like at the time, it's

like it's like when he starts, when he starts talking Russian

and it's like in big chunky subtitles, like on the film,

it's an amazing. It's like, Oh my God, what the

hell? And he's like, he's pretty,

pretty convincing accent. I obviously don't speak Russian,

but like a nuts. So that was the end of the

movie. I mean like, what do you think?

Excellent absolute cinema. Absolute keno.

You know, it's sexy, it's horny, it's got thrills, it's got

spills, it's got some really weird technology stuff in there.

It's got some really weird messaging about, about the CIA,

about military procurement, about the, you know, the

military industrial complex more broadly, about the intelligence

apparatus of the country. It's just what the fuck?

And it's Reagan. It's pure Reagan.

It's a big 80s movie, you know, Yeah, it's tremendous.

Umm, cool. Any any any final thoughts on

the movie before we take a break and then go into our categories?

Right. So I don't know if it's that

crazy actually, but as Yuri as a Russian spy within the US

military, arms actions sort of speak would scam me out here

mixed kind of allegiances or anything about it.

Because as a spy within the US military, the smartest thing he

could have done would be to allow the secretary, the

secretary of defence to get away with, with killing quote unquote

Yuri. You know, allowing Pritchard to

be identified as Yuri, which then means Yuri is destroyed,

which means the real Yuri can, can work without any kind of

impingement. He can work a lot easier.

You know, However, he has said that he wants to remain in

America. You know, he's, he's, he's not

that fucking into being for the Russians anymore.

I guess. He's also acting to essentially

remove the secretary of the secretary of Defence from power

by passing on the evidence that he did in fact kill Susan.

So this will then lead to the sector being removed, which will

then lead to probably this ridiculous monster sub project

not being killed and the US wasting a significant amount of

money, resources, manpower, and possibly becoming weaker on the

world stage when pitted against the Soviet Union.

I think that it's just interesting to me, like nothing

perfectly adds up with the outcomes from this, you know?

Yeah, man. So the fact that they got rid of

the Uri for me is a bit of a green light to crack on and do

what they were doing. But the handler at the end is

like, Oh my God, they're on to Yuri.

It's too hot. It's going to put you out.

They've got an excellent, an excellent kind of way through

this. You know, he's dead, ladies and

gentlemen. We got him with, with the kind

of, with the kind of political climate at the time.

You just know they'd be pinning like extra stuff on, on

Pritchard as well. Like a significant amount of

Iran Contra would be picked on Pritchard.

You know, the, the, the, the whole bungling of the rescue of

Iranian hostages. Richard, he was involved.

Richard Pritchard did everything, man, you know, Yeah.

His fingers at all the pies. I heard that actually.

But yeah, so I think that I I'd know like the ending, it's like

it's kind of oddly ambiguous, as you say, because the final

problem back. But then but it's the best

position. He's just the big American hero,

you know, he's he's he's now closer to the secretary of

defence than ever before. If he just leans into it and

says, well, certainly got rid of Yuri.

Didn't have a wink wink, you know?

That's weird and in his hand though says he's a hero of the

Soviet Union at the end as well, so it's not like he's fallen out

of fader back home. They just want to pull him back

home for some reason. It doesn't make any sense.

That's baffling me why they want to pull him home.

And I mean, I'm sure there's yeah, I'm, I mean, there's

surely you could do an insanely deep dive for the reasons of why

they want to pull them. Or maybe, maybe maybe they think

he's acted somehow incorrectly. Maybe the felt that he fell in

love with Susan and I shouldn't do that.

You know, you meant you meant you meant the honeypot.

This woman you're not might have fall in love that maybe that was

what it was, you know, or maybe he was maybe he was getting too

good. Maybe they wanted to take him

home for hero the Soviet Union medal and then a nice cup of

polonium blast tea. You know.

Yeah. I mean, he's done his job.

He's been useful. And the saw meeting bugs off a

window. The for man, if you bring this

down, do this. No see.

Yeah. That was that was my little like

kind of weird. We had just kind of take on it

that like not everything aligns perfectly with one one side's

end game. But I don't know.

That's me. Sonia, have you got any

reflections on your your final takes of the film?

This, this is obviously hindsight, but I have been very

oblivious to the old Dury subplot.

So really still, even at the final end, the the whole Tom is

really Eagle from central Russia thing still took me somewhat by

surprise. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Like the first, the first, the first time I saw it, I didn't, I

didn't catch like any of the clues apart from when he's in

the pay phone and he's having that one way, well, one way

call. I remember thinking like, who's

he calling? Like who's he friends with?

I suppose we're meant to think maybe he's talking to Marshall

at the CIA and maybe that's why he also gives the scene where he

bitches off the sub Lieutenant to take that that print out to

him as well. So where that backs that up a

little bit. It's evident, I think, I think,

I think I think it's evident at the end.

It's the, it's the, it's the landlord guy who's he's

handling. Yeah, it it, it just just all,

all the weird. Panicking he does in between

still works if if you just see it as him trying not to get

pinned for him. It's like Doctor, it's like

proper Richard Kimball and the Fugitive, kind of like constant,

constant head on a swivel, constantly trying to like, you

know, evade detection. He pay for one scene.

I think it's really good because the film doesn't do a lot of at

that point storytelling to make you assume who he's calling and

just present to you with really the evidence that he's making

this phone call. I remember because I did like,

watch, watch, watch that particular part of the film

twice because because I was making a few notes on it.

And yeah, the film doesn't implicitly say, oh, he's calling

Marshall, he's calling someone else.

He doesn't have that many people in his life at this point.

He's going to call. Especially not from the fucking

people. Yeah, we don't see, we don't see

any, any, uh, any broader life. And now that we know that

everything that happened in the movie was him doing work, we

don't see any, any of his inner life.

We don't see anything at all like everyone's on a is part of

the job. Yeah, I think it's AI think it's

a pretty pretty well put together screenplay to build

that much ambiguity into it without it feeling like it's

hiding information from you. Like it's not.

Obviously he's on the foot of somebody.

We don't hear the other side of the conversation.

Yeah, but like throughout the rest of the movie, his

motivations read equally well for being an innocent man, which

he is in some respects. He didn't kill Susan, but an

innocent man just trying to get to the bottom of this, this

cover up or on the on the flip side, you watch it a second time

and yeah, it's a spy trying to avoid cover getting blown and

they both read exactly the same. Cool, right.

Should we should we take a break there?

And then we'll come back and do categories.

Let's do it right. Cool.

Let's start with the categories. Then the first category I've

got. And these might change as we go

forward, man. But casting, don't get me wrong,

there's there's there's a much more famous movie podcast that

does these and we are definitely and we are definitely copying

their format. So so the first one here is is

casting. I've written I've written stars

and that guys, and here it is what ifs.

So the only one I've got for this having looked at did some

some Internet research was Patrick Swayze and Mel Gibson

both turned down the role for Tom Farrell.

And I think in even those situations they would have been

really different movies. I would have killed to have seen

the. I would.

Have especially loved to have seen the Patrick Swayze cut, but

only if Fred Chad could have delivered the I used to fuck

guys like you in prison line from from.

Broadhouse Oh my God that would be epic.

I don't think Mel Gibson would have been able to pull off the

he seems fucking mean to do that.

I think Kevin Costner shows the right amount of vulnerability in

this film. Like, you see him getting a bit

shirty, a bit Moody, a bit like upset at his relationship with

with Susan. He gets a bit immature with it

as well when he's taking a bit of a hoof, you know what I mean?

I think it's a good bit of new one starting by.

Don't think Mel Gibson can pull that off.

Yeah. I mean, I think if, if, if there

was like about five times as many Dublin kicks and stuff,

which he could have, could have nailed it.

We don't get as wrong. Yeah, yeah.

But don't get as wrong. He's a good actor as well.

He's on some really good roles. But he's he's he's he's not my

guy for this, unless Tom Pritchard can say, I used to

fuck guys like you in prison. The whole, the whole, the, the

whole end scene, instead of shooting himself, he just goes I

used to fuck guys like you in prison.

And then Patrick Swayze just tears his throat out, just like

in Roadhouse. Sure, Yeah.

And then and then the COD rush in and then Gene Hackman

immediately says. He was saying some crazy stuff

about he didn't want to go back to prison, that he tore his own

throat house. That's amazing.

The other one I have is that Michelle Pfeiffer turned turned

down the role for Susan Notwell as well, which that would have

been a very different, different part, I think, if if she'd taken

it. That's right.

There's something, I mean, right, So Sean Young is, is a

beautiful woman, but there's there's something about her

where you can believably see the naivety that she kind of

displays later in the movie through the the fact that she

seems like she's kind of lied in this position where she's she's

with this powerful man and she's got this of a a hot Navy guy

that she actually loves. And she's like a little giddy

schoolgirl. Like it's almost like she

doesn't she's not used to the attention.

Whereas I think Michelle Pfeiffer wouldn't be able to

pull it off. It would just be a bit like, why

if you don't have that attention before, is there something wrong

with you or what's going on? I think definitely right there

will be a completely different film with with Michelle

Pfeiffer. I'm struggling to find anyone

really mentally now who I am struggling to think of someone

who could who could have had that we had.

She's she's got weird energy like like she's got kind of like

she was an absolute pistol. She's got this strange who

energetic energy. She's like she's got a lot going

on. It's a kind of 1 moment.

If you weren't on a date with that, it'd be like a 60% chance

of the night being thoughtfully destroyed somehow, somehow.

But she was decent with it. She was definitely a bit damaged

and she in herself is as as a person ultimately doomed for

her. There really is no way out

because she's playing the fire. She's going to get burned.

She's got involved with these men of power who don't want to

share the women. And the sad thing is just she's

she's a doomed character really from from the start.

She's she's going to get eroded and torn apart by this world

that just put herself in. And it's fucking sad man.

And. That's exactly what happens to

her. Uh, there's a version of this

movie where we see a lot more of her character and it's told from

maybe a bit more from her perspective.

I mean, it probably would have worked, but but you get the

middles like 1 scene missing where she talks about her past

with with with Tom and like the guards down.

You know, maybe like during The Dirty weekend, she's like she

has like 1 kind of weird ethereal kind of pillow talk

moment where she talks about how she doesn't believe this is all

real and she's got to go back to DC tomorrow and it's all going

to be back to the how it was kind of thing.

There's like a scene like that missing, I think to really round

her out. But but yeah, that's it.

That's casting, right. OK, best quote of the movie.

Have you guys got any any any quotes that you particularly

like for the movie? I have all right okay so mines

amazing. So you might not have seen it in

the YouTube cut, but there's a moment just before it's during

the chaotic phone and Polaroid picture scene where where Susan

is like lining up to to give fellatio to Tom.

And you see her like caressing his his sort of crotch area.

And then the camera pans up to to Tom.

And then you just hear her talking and she says it looks

like a baboon trapped in the closet at midnight.

I love that. No, I have not seen that part of

the incredibly odlerized adapted sliced up YouTube cut.

Yeah, it's incredible. It's the best, it's her best

line by by a country mile, but she's got some great lines and

then fun little facts that goes with that as well.

Is that the generative AI picture when they're?

Showing you the training. Tape when they're introducing

the concept that that that is and.

This is actually one of my favourite quotes, which is

computers don't think if we programme this to come out the

car instead of the monkey, you'd be looking at a hairy Buick.

Brilliant. And like I said, it plays the

sound is a bit of a kind of quick Lord, funny, interesting,

kind of worky forensics guy. You know, it's like probably one

of the one of the beginnings of that trope of character.

But I love us computers. Don't think if he programmed

this to come out the car inside of a monkey, he'd be looking at

a hairy Buick and say yes, no notes, 0 notes 100%.

And just and, and just the sight gag as well because of course

the cameras looking at the, the, the very boldly coloured

fucking. It's not a Gibbon, is it?

The voice broke down. It's not a Gibbon, is it?

It's, it's, it's like this, like fucking baboon and baboons just

make scenes 10 names funnier. And yeah, it's the, it's, it's,

it's the Harry Buick for me. I love it.

Sonia, have you got a favourite quote at all?

This is horribly underwhelming, but but just the whole absurdity

of the the second foot chase culminating in that absolutely

confused marine guard and that kick in the crotch and then the

I. Love it if it was, I love it.

Brilliant. It's just so, so weird because

it's just gone from from. Being the fugitive to oh look,

I've got a rank slide on and it's bigger than you and

suddenly he's back in charge and he uses that to just bring out

that one so. That is, you're actually right

that that is a a text because appointment of rocket.

Is so good. That is just a little kind of

comic timing that he pauses for a beat and he said shoot him,

you know, like if there's A and it's and it's and it's a great

comic scene. And of course, he's picking them

in the balls as well, which is brilliant and and injects some

comedy into the film, which then obviously then goes into a scene

when when an apparently angry, scorned gay man blows his own

brains out inside a Pentagon office.

So you need a bit of light before the darkness.

Yeah. Oh yeah, absolutely.

So my next next category was the Needle Drops.

There weren't really any of the movie.

All we had was the really awkward cover of If You Think

I'm Sexy. And there's two Paul Anka songs

that that I'm sure we'll all hear when we go to hell.

About the opening theme is, you know, it's just when Sean

Young's name appears on screen, this is like big, like synth

like kind of thing that it's like, it's almost as if the

composer said, yeah, remember her?

She was, she was, she was, she was the robot girl in that film.

Yeah, yeah. You know, Blade Runner.

Yeah, yeah. You know, you know.

Yeah, you know, too bad she won't live.

Yeah, I, I, I felt that was too, too perfect and not being put in

there when I say blam, remember Blade run out from a few years

ago, guys. Too bad she won't live.

Hey, I think there's there's, there's, there's, there's way to

that as well. Because Jesus, what's the name

again? Michelle Jar.

It's like, oh, no, it's not right.

It's 2 seconds is. Maurice Char, Yeah.

Maurice Char. Sorry, Maurice Char, he he also

did the score for witness and the witness soundtrack sounds

quite a lot like the Vangelis score from Blade Runner.

I I, I I to check while I was watching it, I thought this is

Vangelis and it's not it's, it's more his job.

So singer composer. Cool, right.

So I've got some IMDb trivia. So it's quite a lot for this

movie. I've I've narrowed it down to

the ones that I think are broadly interesting and that we

haven't really talked about. South.

Sean Young said in an interview that she was fine being naked in

certain scenes, but Kevin Costner, who was dressed, was

very nervous about her being nude, which I totally get.

And then Sean Young also said interviews that director Roger

Donaldson made her lift her shirt in an audition to shoot

her tits. Yeah, that fucked up.

That's like, yeah. I mean, it's like what would do

kind of joke about Sean Young being a bit crazy and like, you

know, a bit of like a real life. I mean, Sean Young does.

From what I've read, Sean Young has got at least a few kind of

suits and S qualities IRL. She's obviously had a shit run

of her. I'm I'm, I'm, I mean, if you're

being told things like, you know, get your tits out, that's,

that's shitty. That's, that's absolute

bullshit. And I'm, and I'm not here for it

being done to people, you know? Indeed.

Next, next little fact. We've already talked about that.

Hang on. Next little fact.

A lot of people say that this is Brad Pitt's first movie role as

an extra because of the guy in the opening, in the opening

function is a guy in the background who looks a lot like

Brad Pitt. But it can't be Brad Pitt.

Brad Pitt was way too young at this side.

He was like, he plays, I think he did a movie The same.

Yeah. And he played like a convincing

teenager. And the guy we see is like, you

know, 30 year old looking Brad Pitt.

And he's barely in focus as well.

Another cool fact. The movie's original title was

going to be finished with engines, which is a nibble term,

which essentially means that what it means, what it says, you

get alongside, you shut everything down and you order

finish from an engines and you that which permits the engineers

to bring them offline and then you give them a notice period.

So like finish a minute engines take all men in machinery to 12

hours notice. We'll see something like that.

It's a shit name for a film and it makes no sense in in in this

movie whatsoever. But it just made me wonder like

if you got any ideas what would be a better name for this movie?

One of the ones I thought of was when the yelling about you have

no idea what man of power can do.

Man of power. I can't think of another one.

I feel like there might have been 1:00 somewhere in there.

It's like the kind of movie where they say the name of the

movie. You will get the Phantom

submarine. So Kevin Costner and Gene

Hackman were both considered for the leading roles in The

Fugitive, Obviously. What's the Harrison Ford and

Tommy Lee Jones and No Way Out. This is a good one.

No Way Out is one of two movies in which Gene Hackman plays AUS

politician who kills his mistress in a fit of rage.

The other is Absolute Power, the Clint Eastwood movie where he's

the president and he killed. Yeah, that's a pretty funky one.

I would have liked to be. Specific.

Yeah, I should go imagine what the what the situation would be

if if The Fugitive did star Kevin Costner and Gene Hackman

and we had the cast of The Fugitive but into but in there

and no way out. Do you think that would you

believe Tommy Lee Jones in the Secretary of Defence role and

Harrison Ford in the role of Tom Slash Yuri?

I would believe Harrison Ford, I think.

I think, I'm not sure I believe Tommy Lee Jones just because I

like Tommy Lee Jones too much and I don't see him being he.

Seems. Like too much of A He seems like

too much of a straight shooter to be.

He's he's an absolute straight shooter.

I agree with you. He's got he's got too much of

the Wild West lawman about him to to be kind of believable as

an incredibly slavey politician. I think.

I think that's always going to be with him.

Jude was just just his essence, you know, like he's like he's

very much a good guy, you know, I couldn't buy him as like a

slain ball politician who kills his mistress, you know, but I

could definitely imagine. I could definitely Harrison Ford

as as as as Yuri slash Tom. And of course, Harrison Ford did

go on to play another guy involved in in espionage who has

a good Irish American name, because of course.

Jack. Ryan, of course, because,

because of course Top, because you've got Jack Ryan, Tom

Farrell, who good Irish American names that aren't too Irish

American, you know what I mean? They haven't gotten oh at the

start of them, but there's still a good solid Irish American

name. Yeah, man, right.

Should we do should we do some some notes from the peanut

gallery, which is where we we look through Letterbox and see

and see some of the funny reviews from Letterbox?

I'm not going to be calling up people's names and stuff.

So on the kind of look at this person, 1 user says 3 1/2 stars

and just the word horny in all capitals a great 1 here.

They're not wrong. Tapping my hand on this movie

like the trunk of a car. Look how many Cold War anxieties

we can fit in this bad boy. They don't make them like this

anymore. Three stars.

We have screamed at the final twist.

It has no bearing on the rest of the movie.

Incredible stuff. Also, Kevin Costner charms his

way into Sean Young's heart by pretending to eat bugs off their

car windshield. I don't think he's pretending,

man I. Don't think he's pretending.

Yeah, he's not pretending like like he's he's he's he's not

joking, he's serious. But eating those fucking bugs,

man, Kevin Costner eats bugs or capitals out of a moving cause

windshield for no good reason. Capital last four words Did

cinema peak in 1987 Question mark four stars.

It absolutely did a very very to the .1 which is a pretty holy

review of a horny film. Still good, hot, now slim and

sexy. Gene Hackman in scumbag mode

will patent out of control at every scene.

He really is out of control in every scene.

Need more movies like this. I agree with his review,

Definitely scumbag mode. Gene Hackman's brilliant and

patent is out of control in every.

Scene. That's the greatest.

And and scum scumbag Gene Hackman is a character we're

going to see loads and loads of times and loads and loads of

movies. He's he's an absolute master at

playing a scumbag. You know, you see it you see it

in runaway jury, you see it in the firm, you see it in God name

a Gene Hackman movie. Yeah, for the connection.

I watched I watched night moves recently and he's amazing in

that and he's not he's not even that much of a scumbag in that,

but he's got scumbag tendencies. I've.

Got real? Yeah, I need a friend I can kick

out of their own apartment to have sex on their bed with a

complete. I guess I'll start by actually

having sex 1st and then work by way up Four stars.

Excellent. There's Yeah, there's kind of

long one here that would read a few, read all of it, but it's

opening beat is good. We need more protagonists

kicking other dudes in the Dick where it's not played for

laughs, it's not played for laughs.

It's funny, but it's like kind of funny.

Funny unintentionally. It's the first move of the

dramatic climax of the film. It's like, it's like it's cues

you in that shit's about to go down.

This man's been kicked in the penis things about to get.

Right, I have. I have a 2 1/2 star.

That's quite scary. Yeah, sure.

I don't know if it's scared, the goal kind of damning with faint

prayers or praising with faint damnation.

Evan Costner fucks and drinks and runs a lot.

Heed Hackman. Come on, Rory, dude from

America. Gee action looks like a thumb

that got sucked in a cock. The man's dead.

Can't do it. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. It's like thought that God's

stuck in a cut doesn't make sense.

It doesn't make sense. He has no thumb like qualities.

He doesn't have any thumb like qualities in my opinion.

Is he not just? He might just you see a little

bit red in some of the movie, I don't know, that's all.

Right. Yes, I I am sorry.

God, you got one more. And do have a really good one.

Again, this ones kind of horny. I like watching Kevin Cost and I

run around and his little white uniform.

Sorry, I'm losing my voice because they're laughing so

much. I like watching Kevin Costner

run around in his little Whitey U3 stars.

That's one. Of my favourite genres of movie

is is men running out in their little white uniforms.

Good grief. Noise.

I did not think the notes from the peanut gallery would have

been that destructive, but that was great stuff.

That's awesome. Should we do the next one?

Yeah, OK, Right. So next next category is A1 I

cope with which is most likely course of action stroke, most

dangerous course of action, which is a military terminology.

Military terminology for what you think you're opposing force

is most likely to do And what is the worst case scenario what

they could do applied to this movie?

What what what, what's Lieutenant Commander Farrell's

MLQA sorry and MDQA. So I think I think is my

personal opinion is his most likely course of action is he

goes back to work, but he he's always he's obviously finished

spying for the Soviet Union. So he puts in his newest, he

leaves, and then he just bums around Iowa, and then he

eventually hears a voice and then builds a baseball diamond

in the back of his farm. And then, and then, and then,

and then he goes and travels around the country befriending

various people who are tangentially related to the

sport of baseball, including the JD Salinger of that particular

fictional universe. The Most Dangerous Course of

Action, on the other hand, is Lieutenant Commander Farrell

returns to work, but he remains A Soviet asset until the

dissolution of the Soviet Union, at which point he's approached

by the burgeoning FSB and asked to remain as a sleeper agent

where he which he does for the next sort of 20 years.

And then finally, he strikes from a senior position within

the US Naval Intelligence construct, probably at an U F5

level, to derail the war in Iraq following 911.

At which point Captain Tom Farrell USN preempts the GCHQ

whistleblower at leaks stunning intelligence reports of

falsifying reports on weapons of mass most egregious oversell of

the military industrial. Complex.

This category is about. Which part of the movie implies

A significantly higher level of capability than any current

armed forces? Possesses good examples of this.

In the movie Executive Decision there's a stealth fighter that

can link to the bottom of a of a 747 jet, and part of the heads

up display in the stealth fighter is a perfect wireframe

of the plane that's approaching. How the fuck does it do that?

Arc technology I don't think exists.

Well it does now, but it's optically in the movie.

It's meant to be radar. OK cool.

In this case I think it's actually pretty honest about the

state of military procurement and suitably nihilistic about

the Phantom sub. So there isn't really any

egregious of a cell. I think it's a pretty accurate

cell one. It's projecting the false idea

that we have the the ability to keep up with forward lookout in

in Gale force. Oh yeah.

So the most the most egregious of a cell is actually is the

office of the watch is poor decision making.

The egregious of a cell is that is that.

U.S. Navy can navigate, yes.

Yeah, you're absolutely right. Yeah, there's no like we love

ourselves. Here, but it doesn't go under

the kind of the kind of almost speculate.

Affection that you see. Some techno, well I was going to

when it said all of a sudden there's one, there's one piece

of equipment, there's one McGovern, there's one component

on on a ship or part of a vehicle.

So you said had a display or something or one particular

weapon that said. Just not fucking video or not

believable. It's very grounded.

It's not really a film that relies on it to do Bush for

storytelling apart from the investigative things and the

operation centre. So, yeah, it doesn't really, it

doesn't really oversell anything apart from, I mean, were they

really able to use generative AI at that point?

Probably were if that we talk about it.

I mean, it's not like they're making up the concept of

generative AI in that it's speed and discovered years later,

right. I mean, yeah, maybe it's

presenters in a slightly more efficient way than than it is.

Yeah, that's a that's a fair one.

I mean, I'm not even sure that it is because I'm being.

Is even then that they do present it in a kind of?

This is going to take a long fucking time.

You know it's not like zoom in and ants if I 5000 times my God

yeah, that's true and pictures have been doctors but so yeah,

it's there isn't any really agreed to silver cell.

But I can identify that you guys haven't.

Tackled. So yeah, my next category is,

would this movie be better? If it had Doctor Jack Ryan.

Doctor Richard Kimball or President James?

Marshall brackets go off my plane.

Close brackets in the movie. All three, all three, all three.

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, it would be better in

all case of Yeah, I feel that hope to see the president in

this film. Right, Right.

Yeah. So the this is so this is my

point, right. So I was going to say yeah, when

we hear. Here's the chief.

We should get a quick shot. Just like one shot of Harrison

Ford for like a split second and then we see him do a double take

as Sean Young, right? And then we just crack on like

nothing happened on like nothing happened at all.

And on the sailing boat scene, the overtaken by another sailing

boat. That's got that, Ryan.

And Kathy Ryan have a nice chilled out weekend stealing on

by and with a little with a little for a Birch and then

doctor Richard Kimble. I've really struggled, Dr Like

put that sarcastic. Doctor at the start of.

It like like like in the fusion of when Tom Jones was like,

you're a fusionist Doctor Richard Kimble, fucking nerds.

This fucking this fucking stupid qualification Dr, this bitch,

that kind of thing. It's like so so like so like

Doctor Richard Kimble is just checking out of the the big in

big because he's because at this point he's actually on the run

and he's and he's yeah, and he's hidden at the baby because

nobody else is going to fucking go that luck from because

they're all freaked out by like just the fact that like the

shellfish is just full of human faeces, man and manure.

This is and he's leaving the the BND.

But he's dressed he's he's dressed like he's about to just

join join. I've almost said George.

Bush, thanks. I'm so tired.

He's about ready. To join, join George Watson, the

fucking Valley Forge. He's dressed in his colonial

gear. He's he's just looking so, so

goddamn extra. Yeah.

Cool. Next on to the last two

categories here. Would this movie have benefited

from Lieutenant Commander Samuel L Jackson, the United States

Navy, from Patriot Games? Yes, my personal opinion.

Do you write it words? Absolutely.

What what what should have happened is he should have been

exiting the outer office of the defence secretary at the same

moment that they were running towards it, at which point he

would have turned and shot Tom in the head.

It would have been a brutal end to the film, but it would

certainly be a be a gritty 1 and.

Certainly in keeping with the film's kind of doomed, doomed

vibe. What do you think about it being

truly for Tom? There would be no way out for

Tom, doomed and doomed. Or on a serious note, he could

have been the so see I did that he would have been classed.

Yeah, OK. I think we've already answered

the question of this movie as pro.

Anti CIA. So I think it's pretty, pretty

clear it's anti CIA, but I want. To I want to make a category and

keep score as we go through these because it's I think it's

going to vary wildly. And then right, next category,

OK, I'm going to call this the the Ding Chavez award for missed

opportunity in the movie, referring to how Ding Chavez of

Rainbow 6 is barely used in clear and present danger, but

clearly should have his own series of movies by now.

So I've got a few first of all, bring the limo sequence at the

beginning right, right when it does a smash cut to the

Washington Monument, which is which is Kevin Costner Rex

penis. We next then get a shot of the

fountain of the World War 2 memorial as it as it blasts off.

So to simulate Kevin Costner's ejaculating penis.

That's that's miss opportunity one miss opportunity to Tom does

not respond to the baboon and a closet comment.

And I feel like he should have said something to that.

Yes, he should have. Because if my wife referred to

my my penis as a baboon trapped in a closet, I'd like to know

what the fuck she was talking about.

And then and then. This is.

And then and then. This is my serious.

One, OK, so I think, right, we're having the same

confrontation at the end of the movie, right?

So we're in the they're in the defence sex office.

OK. Umm, Tom and Bryce are fighting

against the wall. Pritchard is about to pick up

the gun and instead of shooting himself in the head, right, he's

going to point the gun at Tom and then who kicks in the door

and then shoots Pritchard in the head?

The sub Lieutenant, Yes, fantastic.

Vindication. Vindication for being pitched

off the entire film finally comes in.

He zaps him. Fucking two in the chest, one in

the head. He goes down and and Tom's like

Tom's like good boy. Where where did you get a gun

from? Who gave you a gun?

Jesus Christ. He goes in, does that and that's

his Oh jar written. But.

Unfortunately, he's not eligible for promotion yet because he's

not in his own. But never mind, it's good.

It's good for the pack anyway. BB.

Plus we're also OK. So work me on this one, work me,

work with me right here. He shoots him, but not with a

gun. He walks in but that.

Ridiculously fucking ring that the British ambassador gave

someone and he just uses that pathside Geminis to just send a

serious beam of fucking light that just turns up the ash and

you say yeah, go fuck the silver dance, man.

You know what? What?

Yeah, also might have benefited. From the bellhop, making off

with all the. Like he arrives arrives in the

clinical guard, but he's leaving in the patent leather shoes and

the the tweeds jacket. And he's rescued the harem girl

from the evidence room that should be put in.

And he's and he's like listening to that Walkman.

And like he said. Yeah, and he's and he's, you

know, he's Oh my God, he's got the bulletproof vest.

You know, it's been only used once.

Battlefield pickup. He's got the cigars he's smoking

1 the harem girl smoking one. She's wearing the red kimono

with the with the silver filigree.

She or or they could have just showed us a storage room shortly

that. Just has a bunch of boxes and

the Harry, yeah. The last, the very last shot of

the movie is a is a is a custodian pushing, pushing a big

car and you see it zooms. Out from the the little gold

jewellery box and then it pushes it into like a big room vast

hanger full of crates and then just rounds a corner.

And then this film was made like right now current.

Yeah, that we, we, we, we could very well have had to get ghost

credits seen along those. Lines with a bit of a side guide

with all the with with all the all the ambassadorial gifts.

Yeah, there's worse opportunity there to have to have a bit more

world building with these gifts. Was seen at the place.

But yeah, amazing final. My final category is Command and

signals where I like to try and give call signs to the

characters in the movie. I've come with a few.

We'll start with Bryce keeping it real basic Horn dog.

No advances on horn dog No, but lady killer.

That makes me want to to to give Susan.

Yeah yes, yes, yeah. So we've got fucking there,

Bryce Call saying Lady Killer, right?

My biggest. That's better than mine.

I I was going to call. Her a crazy eye but but yeah, I

think I think form blue is better and then and then.

And then Tom, I wrote these immediately after I watched the

film. So for me, the last half an hour

had been pretty intense. And my one for Tom was just

inkjet bug man. Oh, yeah, that.

I can see that. He loves a printer.

Yeah, bug man, clearly. She seems to be willing to jam

his fingers deeper. Into that printer than even

into. Shoes and.

So pink man shit, yeah, we should do something.

I think, I think, I think do quite like sunroof.

Because that big fucking hole in his head.

Oh my God, cool. Well, on that note.

I think that's brought us to the end of our first episode where

we've we've. We've watched No Way Outs from

1980. Seven incredible movie.

Sorry, Kevin Costner. I think that all that remains to

say is where you can find us. We've got a Instagram page which

is clear and present dudes and search for us and Instagram will

find us there and we'll be putting.

Up invites to our discord so you can throw some suggestions of

what films you want us to watch next, send us some abuse, tell

us that we look like a thumb that's been shot in a car door.

Well, that sort of stuff. Always fun, always, always some

engagement. And I'm on threads and I'm on

Blue Sky Social. As Mike D, I'm on Twitter as

Rory O'Toole. That's Rory spelled RUARI.

It's. Another good Irish name, but the

surname starts with a no, so it's a bit too Irish to be star

player for the CIA in film land. He's fucking bastards.

Cool Roy, what's the next movie we're doing?

The next movie we're doing is a very silly one.

It is a sci-fi thriller disaster.

Movie called Meteor starring. Sean Connery, It has an

absolutely atrocious rotten tomorrow's rating.

It is going to be fun to watch and fun to talk about.

And it also features some scenes for the sailing boat.

So it's so it's kind of among the same.

No, I can't even finish that sentence.

It's not in the same league as as no Way Out in the slightest.

But it's going to be a good laugh and it's got a fun amount

of Cold War paranoia. And it's just going to be a bit

of a riot, I'm sure. And I'm sure we're going to find

some excellent peanut gallery reviews of this.

Hopefully people are lacing into us on Letterbox because that's

always funny. Shout out Letterbox for making

like user generated reviews entertainment by them.

Awesome. Well, thanks very much everyone.

We'll catch you on the next one, hopefully next time.

See you.

No Way Out (1987)

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